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Sat, 04 January 2014 11:13

Gary Worobec

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I have a 5ft wooden two blade STANDARD propeller that I am restoring for a
decorative piece. The ends of the prop are gone probably 8 inches off each
end. I believe they had copper or brass on the leading edges of the tips.
What I need to know is what the metal usually was and whether it was
rabbeted into the wood or merely wrapped over the wood?. Also, were wood
screws used to fasten it ?

Thanks,

Gary Worobec

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Re: [GMCnet] OT: for aircraft folks [message #235053 is a reply to message #235048]

Sat, 04 January 2014 11:32

Gary Worobec

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So would the rivet go through one side of the metal, then through the wood
and then capture the metal on the other side?

Thanks,

Gary and Joanne Worobec
1973 GMC Glacier
Anza, CA

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Recall from the days when I was an A&P.

Usually brass and riveted.

Somewhere I have the manual that describes how to fix that problem here in
the house.

Len and Pat Novak
1978 GMC Kingsley
The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Fallbrook, CA new email: B52Rule@Roadrunner.Com
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375

www.bdub.net/novak/

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Subject: [GMCnet] OT: for aircraft folks

I have a 5ft wooden two blade STANDARD propeller that I am restoring for a
decorative piece. The ends of the prop are gone probably 8 inches off each
end. I believe they had copper or brass on the leading edges of the tips.
What I need to know is what the metal usually was and whether it was
rabbeted into the wood or merely wrapped over the wood?. Also, were wood
screws used to fasten it ?

Thanks,

Gary Worobec

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Re: [GMCnet] OT: for aircraft folks [message #235054 is a reply to message #235048]

Sat, 04 January 2014 11:30

Len Novak

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Recall from the days when I was an A&P.

Usually brass and riveted.

Somewhere I have the manual that describes how to fix that problem here in
the house.

Len and Pat Novak
1978 GMC Kingsley
The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Fallbrook, CA new email: B52Rule@Roadrunner.Com
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375

www.bdub.net/novak/

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Subject: [GMCnet] OT: for aircraft folks

I have a 5ft wooden two blade STANDARD propeller that I am restoring for a
decorative piece. The ends of the prop are gone probably 8 inches off each
end. I believe they had copper or brass on the leading edges of the tips.
What I need to know is what the metal usually was and whether it was
rabbeted into the wood or merely wrapped over the wood?. Also, were wood
screws used to fasten it ?

Thanks,

Gary Worobec

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Len and Pat Novak 1978 GMC Kingsley The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see! Las Vegas, NV new email: B52sRule@Gmail.com http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375 www.bdub.net/novak/

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Re: [GMCnet] OT: for aircraft folks [message #235055 is a reply to message #235053]

Sat, 04 January 2014 11:47

Len Novak

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As I recall that is how they did it. I need to find the general repair Tech
data on just how to do that.

Or........you could cheat and take a drive to a local airport and look at
some bug smashers that have wood props on them.

: )

Len and Pat Novak
1978 GMC Kingsley
The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Fallbrook, CA new email: B52Rule@Roadrunner.Com
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375

www.bdub.net/novak/

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So would the rivet go through one side of the metal, then through the wood
and then capture the metal on the other side?

Thanks,

Gary and Joanne Worobec
1973 GMC Glacier
Anza, CA

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Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 9:30 AM
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] OT: for aircraft folks

Recall from the days when I was an A&P.

Usually brass and riveted.

Somewhere I have the manual that describes how to fix that problem here in
the house.

Len and Pat Novak
1978 GMC Kingsley
The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Fallbrook, CA new email: B52Rule@Roadrunner.Com
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375

www.bdub.net/novak/

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Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 9:13 AM
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Subject: [GMCnet] OT: for aircraft folks

I have a 5ft wooden two blade STANDARD propeller that I am restoring for a
decorative piece. The ends of the prop are gone probably 8 inches off each
end. I believe they had copper or brass on the leading edges of the tips.
What I need to know is what the metal usually was and whether it was
rabbeted into the wood or merely wrapped over the wood?. Also, were wood
screws used to fasten it ?

Thanks,

Gary Worobec

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Re: [GMCnet] OT: for aircraft folks [message #235058 is a reply to message #235048]

Sat, 04 January 2014 12:10

Otterwan

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Gary Worobec wrote on Sat, 04 January 2014 09:13

I have a prop like you describe at my shop (found it while diving many years ago). As I recall the metal on the leading edge is silver, wrapped over the wood, and held on with contersunk wood screws. I will verify this by Monday. - Dave

1977 Birchaven, Lynnwood WA - "We may not be able to stop all evil in the world, but I know that how we treat one another is entirely up to us."

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Re: [GMCnet] OT: for aircraft folks [message #235061 is a reply to message #235058]

Sat, 04 January 2014 12:24

Gary Worobec

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Thanks Dave,

Thanks,

Gary and Joanne Worobec
1973 GMC Glacier
Anza, CA

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Gary Worobec wrote on Sat, 04 January 2014 09:13
> I have a 5ft wooden two blade STANDARD propeller that I am restoring
> for a decorative piece. The ends of the prop are gone probably 8
> inches off each end. I believe they had copper or brass on the leading
edges of the tips.
> What I need to know is what the metal usually was and whether it was
> rabbeted into the wood or merely wrapped over the wood?. Also, were
> wood screws used to fasten it ?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gary Worobec
>
>
>
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I have a prop like you describe at my shop (found it while diving many years
ago). As I recall the metal on the leading edge is silver, wrapped over the
wood, and held on with contersunk wood screws. I will verify this by Monday.
- Dave

--
1976 Royale "Twinkie II", 1978 Palm Beach with front end fire. Lynnwood WA -
"We may not be able to stop all evil in the world, but I know that how we
treat one another is entirely up to us."
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Re: [GMCnet] OT: for aircraft folks [message #235066 is a reply to message #235048]

Sat, 04 January 2014 13:00

Dennis S

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Gary

Here us a link to a google book page, dated 1919, on making wood props. The ebook download is free. Discusses both wood screws and rivets.

[ /quotehttp://books.google.com/books?id=yBkvAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA938&lpg=PA938&dq=how+wood+propeller+metal+tip&source=bl&ots=OVYOS_cHEl&am p;sig=vzX-0nptvyW314dyi7R2wGAa9vI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=JFjIUr3GKoaF2AWY2oCwCw&ved=0CDUQ6AEwBDgK#v=onepage&q=how%20wood%20propeller%20meta l%20tip&f=false]

Dennis

[quote title=Gary Worobec wrote on Sat, 04 January 2014 11:13]I have a 5ft wooden two blade STANDARD propeller that I am restoring for a
decorative piece. The ends of the prop are gone probably 8 inches off each
end. I believe they had copper or brass on the leading edges of the tips.
What I need to know is what the metal usually was and whether it was
rabbeted into the wood or merely wrapped over the wood?. Also, were wood
screws used to fasten it ?

Thanks,

Gary Worobec

Dennis S
73 Painted Desert 230
Memphis TN Metro

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Re: [GMCnet] OT: for aircraft folks [message #235071 is a reply to message #235061]

Sat, 04 January 2014 13:39

emerystora

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> Gary Worobec wrote on Sat, 04 January 2014 09:13
>> I have a 5ft wooden two blade STANDARD propeller that I am restoring
>> for a decorative piece. The ends of the prop are gone probably 8
>> inches off each end. I believe they had copper or brass on the leading
> edges of the tips.
>> What I need to know is what the metal usually was and whether it was
>> rabbeted into the wood or merely wrapped over the wood?. Also, were
>> wood screws used to fasten it ?
>>

Gary - I have seen old propellers on walls and the ones with copper or brass edges looked nice.
It really shouldn't matter if its screws or rivets -- in fact you could epoxy the edge and glue in fake rivets -- then you wouldn't have to go all the way through. It is just for looks on the wall so it doesn't have to be authentic, especially on the back side.

Emery Stora
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Re: [GMCnet] OT: for aircraft folks [message #235073 is a reply to message #235048]

Sat, 04 January 2014 14:37

USAussie

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Gary,

Send me a picture of the prop (both sides) and I'll see if I can find out what you need to know.

Regards,
Rob M.

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From: Behalf Of Gary Worobec

I have a 5ft wooden two blade STANDARD propeller that I am restoring for a
decorative piece. The ends of the prop are gone probably 8 inches off each
end. I believe they had copper or brass on the leading edges of the tips.
What I need to know is what the metal usually was and whether it was
rabbeted into the wood or merely wrapped over the wood?. Also, were wood
screws used to fasten it ?

Thanks,
Gary Worobec

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Re: [GMCnet] OT: for aircraft folks [message #235089 is a reply to message #235048]

Sat, 04 January 2014 18:10

Otterwan

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Gary - The edge protectors on my prop appear to be stainless and are held on with wood screws. The stainless pieces have counter sunk indents that fit into matching indentations in the wood. Each guard is about 8" long and they all seem to be the same. I can post some pictures Monday if that would help.

Since you are restoring this for decoration I would use whatever metal pleases you. - Dave

1977 Birchaven, Lynnwood WA - "We may not be able to stop all evil in the world, but I know that how we treat one another is entirely up to us."

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Re: [GMCnet] OT: for aircraft folks [message #235108 is a reply to message #235089]

Sat, 04 January 2014 20:34

Gary Worobec

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Thanks for the offer Dave. I think I've got it figured out.

Thanks,

Gary and Joanne Worobec
1973 GMC Glacier
Anza, CA

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Gary - The edge protectors on my prop appear to be stainless and are held on
with wood screws. The stainless pieces have counter sunk indents that fit
into matching indentations in the wood. Each guard is about 8" long and they
all seem to be the same. I can post some pictures Monday if that would help.

Since you are restoring this for decoration I would use whatever metal
pleases you. - Dave
--
1976 Royale "Twinkie II", 1978 Palm Beach with front end fire. Lynnwood WA -
"We may not be able to stop all evil in the world, but I know that how we
treat one another is entirely up to us."
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