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Wed, 01 January 2014 19:22  |
p.huber
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Location: Oakland
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Hi you all,
Happy New Year to all of you and may your GMC run great all
yearlong in 2014 and thereafter and also may you have lots of fun with you
special toy. I will try to do the same.
I promised I will contact you right after 12-31-2013.
I got several GMC owners interested with commitments to purchase the new
stronger torsion bar set, but unfortunately I did not get more commitments
to purchase a set of ten sets. Only 7 sets were ordered!
I therefore decided to contact the manufacturer and asked them to
re-submitting a more reasonable price, since the price is obviously a
consideration in replacing bad Torsion Bars.
Apparently they are interested in my proposal and doing business. Well,
let's see what comes of it.
The Torsion Bars configuration are as follows: 1.) the length of the
Torsion
Bars are 58 1/8". 2.) The minor diameter is 1.260" (which makes the T.B.
- Ignored:
approximately 19% stronger versus the O.E.M T.B.). 3.) The Hex is
1.477" on
both sides. 4.) the T.B. is powder coated-white. 5.) The T.B. set is
identified-T.B. L.H. and T.B. R.H. As you can see all measurements are
the
same except the minor diameter has increased by 19%.
All of you who are interested in obtaining new Torsion Bars will have to
contact me and make a commitment to purchase once I will post the new
price.
As I said I am willing to finance the whole project of buying and
committing
to 15 sets only if I get 10 or more orders.
I designed this new T.B. 21years ago and I still have them on my GMC Royale
in perfect condition. My front end is always up to specification.
You can use your existing "pork chops" and bring it up to specification as
well.
My proposal will come forth soon from the manufacturer who is building
these
Torsion Bars and hopefully the price proposal will be will be better for
a
greater participation in this project.
Best Regards
Peter D. Huber
GMC Royale 1978 with a new Mondello Engine 403, and Manny Transmission,
a
one ton Manny front end, a pre-oiler-(never having a dry start), all
disk
brakes with Quadra bags, electronic Cruz control, electronic hand
brakes,
total remodel and pampered and well taken care of and more gadgets for
running the "Hot wheel" properly.
a1huber@prodigy.net
Oakland, CA
- Done.
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| Re: [GMCnet] torsion Bars [message #234777 is a reply to message #234760] |
Wed, 01 January 2014 22:27  |
Ken Henderson
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Registered: March 2004
Location: Americus, GA
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Peter,
Having a 23' with good torsion bars, I'm not a prospect for your project,
but I commend you for your dedication to the community.
Since you probably have more knowledge of our torsion bars than anyone
else, perhaps you can answer a couple of questions I've had for a long
time: 1. What are the units used to rate the bars, lb-ft/degree? 2.
I've seen somewhere that there were two different ratings, 4000 whatevers
and 4200 whatevers. Can you confirm those figures?
Do you know the rating of the ones you designed?
Please tell us more about your "electronic hand brakes".
Thanks,
Ken H.
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Peter <a1huber@prodigy.net> wrote:
> Hi you all,
>
> Happy New Year to all of you and may your GMC run great all
> yearlong in 2014 and thereafter and also may you have lots of fun with you
> special toy. I will try to do the same.
> I promised I will contact you right after 12-31-2013.
> I got several GMC owners interested with commitments to purchase the new
> stronger torsion bar set, but unfortunately I did not get more commitments
> to purchase a set of ten sets. Only 7 sets were ordered!
...
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| Re: [GMCnet] torsion Bars [message #234791 is a reply to message #234760] |
Thu, 02 January 2014 06:59 |
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wally
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Registered: August 2004
Location: Omaha Nebraska
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I'd like a set, please count me in.
Thanks
| p.huber wrote on Wed, 01 January 2014 19:22 |
Hi you all,
Happy New Year to all of you and may your GMC run great all
yearlong in 2014 and thereafter and also may you have lots of fun with you
special toy. I will try to do the same.
I promised I will contact you right after 12-31-2013.
I got several GMC owners interested with commitments to purchase the new
stronger torsion bar set, but unfortunately I did not get more commitments
to purchase a set of ten sets. Only 7 sets were ordered!
I therefore decided to contact the manufacturer and asked them to
re-submitting a more reasonable price, since the price is obviously a
consideration in replacing bad Torsion Bars.
Apparently they are interested in my proposal and doing business. Well,
let's see what comes of it.
The Torsion Bars configuration are as follows: 1.) the length of the
Torsion
Bars are 58 1/8". 2.) The minor diameter is 1.260" (which makes the T.B.
- Ignored:
approximately 19% stronger versus the O.E.M T.B.). 3.) The Hex is
1.477" on
both sides. 4.) the T.B. is powder coated-white. 5.) The T.B. set is
identified-T.B. L.H. and T.B. R.H. As you can see all measurements are
the
same except the minor diameter has increased by 19%.
All of you who are interested in obtaining new Torsion Bars will have to
contact me and make a commitment to purchase once I will post the new
price.
As I said I am willing to finance the whole project of buying and
committing
to 15 sets only if I get 10 or more orders.
I designed this new T.B. 21years ago and I still have them on my GMC Royale
in perfect condition. My front end is always up to specification.
You can use your existing "pork chops" and bring it up to specification as
well.
My proposal will come forth soon from the manufacturer who is building
these
Torsion Bars and hopefully the price proposal will be will be better for
a
greater participation in this project.
Best Regards
Peter D. Huber
GMC Royale 1978 with a new Mondello Engine 403, and Manny Transmission,
a
one ton Manny front end, a pre-oiler-(never having a dry start), all
disk
brakes with Quadra bags, electronic Cruz control, electronic hand
brakes,
total remodel and pampered and well taken care of and more gadgets for
running the "Hot wheel" properly.
a1huber@prodigy.net
Oakland, CA
- Done.
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| Re: [GMCnet] torsion Bars [message #234801 is a reply to message #234760] |
Thu, 02 January 2014 10:56 |
jhb1
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Registered: February 2004
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Put me on the list (price Dependent)I am looking at Manny's one ton front end so the cost will come into play. Sent a private e-mail
Thanks for doing the leg work for the GMC community
John H. Bell
77 Royale; QuadBag,Manny OneTon,Honda EV4010, FITech
Montreal Qc.
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| Re: [GMCnet] torsion Bars [message #234977 is a reply to message #234964] |
Fri, 03 January 2014 19:49 |
Ken Henderson
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Location: Americus, GA
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IMHO, that would be a very good idea, especially since the coaches needing
the stronger bars are probably heavier than "normal". The basis for the
suggestion is that the hex socket passes through a both sides of a "U"
channel section of the lower A-arm. Those areas are, naturally, stronger
because of the buttressing from the channel sides. BUT, the OEM torsion
bar does not ride in either of those stronger areas -- it rides between
them -- and that's where the socket "erupts", allowing the A-arm to rotate
around the hex end of the bar.
Extending the length of the bar to put it into the forward end of the
socket might not be a good idea -- that might require removing the
welded-in plug there, allowing water, etc., to enter. But lengthening the
hex toward the rear could pick up the reinforced area there, which appears
to me would be very beneficial. There would be SOME stiffening of the bar
because of the shortened "twisting" area, but I doubt it would be
significant.
JMHO, with no engineering analysis conducted.
Ken H.
On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 7:54 PM, noi wrote:
> ...
> Since these new torsion bars are being "custom made", any chance one end
> could have a longer hex section in order to have better "socket loading"
> characteristics?
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> There was some discussion, in a past posting, of a conversion kit that had
> a longer "hex end" that placed the hex end in a stronger part of the A-Arm.
>
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