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| New GMC forum needed [message #233724] |
Sun, 22 December 2013 20:33  |
Bob de Kruyff
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After my last piss off over the religeous content of this forum, I swore never to post again. However, I really miss the technical content and decided to check the posts today. Well, I have to say that things are even worse than I thought. Most of the posts wind up being hijacked by the same old crows that dominate this forum. From mexico, drugs, health care, and totally unrelated mis-informed tripe, the releveance of this venue has unfortunately gone so far off-course that many people(especially new and younger members)won't tolerate the BS propogated here. I'm advocating a new technical forum with strict rules that won't allow the unfortunate degradation that has happened here. Any interest??
Bob de Kruyff
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| Re: [GMCnet] New GMC forum needed [message #233732 is a reply to message #233724] |
Sun, 22 December 2013 21:00  |
kelvin
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On 12/22/2013 6:33 PM, Bob de Kruyff wrote:
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> After my last piss off over the religeous content of this forum, I swore never to post again. However, I really miss the technical content and decided to check the posts today. Well, I have to say that things are even worse than I thought. Most of the posts wind up being hijacked by the same old crows that dominate this forum. From mexico, drugs, health care, and totally unrelated mis-informed tripe, the releveance of this venue has unfortunately gone so far off-course that many people(especially new and younger members)won't tolerate the BS propogated here. I'm advocating a new technical forum with strict rules that won't allow the unfortunate degradation that has happened here. Any interest??
Yes.
Kelvin
'73 23' in Eugene, OR
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| Re: [GMCnet] New GMC forum needed [message #233734 is a reply to message #233732] |
Sun, 22 December 2013 21:28 |
mrgmc3
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I'm involved with a few other forums that have had similar issues. There are a couple easy rules, that if enforced will make this a more productive and pleasant forum.
1) moderators need to lock threads that veer into the political arena. Lets face it there are plenty of places to discuss politics. The GMC forum is not one of them. I have my own views, I know I'm right, but you'll not learn them here!
2) have a section for non-technical posts or start a non GMC thread with "NGR" or not GMC related. Then we can skip those if we are not interested.
3) ban people who refuse to abide by the rules after several good- natured warnings
I like this forum. It is indespensible for someone like me who is new to the hobby, but yes I could do without the thread hijacking that seems commonplace here.
Chris Geils - Twin Cities / W Wa
1978 26' Kingsley w/ very few mods; PD9040, aux trans cooler, one repaint in stock colors, R134a, Al rad, Alcoas, 54k mi
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| Re: New GMC forum needed [message #233736 is a reply to message #233724] |
Sun, 22 December 2013 21:46 |
lqqkatjon
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I watch this forum daily. It is one of the best things going.. GMCNet is a technical wonder, as well as a forum of great owners.
I would like to take this time again to mention the appreciation of this group. go take a look at what else is out there on the internet, and see if you get the almost real time help this forum offers.
I think there is a fine line of how to moderate a forum like this, and for the most part this forum polices it self. too little moderation things can get out of hand. too much moderation you make it unfriendly, and cause the forum to shut down.
I like that I can bounce over here a few times a day, and see something new each time. there are forums out there that you quit watching, because people quit participating.
Jon Roche
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| Re: [GMCnet] New GMC forum needed [message #233748 is a reply to message #233724] |
Sun, 22 December 2013 22:33 |
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Bob,
https://www.facebook.com/ClassicGMCMotorhomes
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob de Kruyff
After my last piss off over the religeous content of this forum, I swore never to post again. However, I really miss the technical
content and decided to check the posts today. Well, I have to say that things are even worse than I thought. Most of the posts wind
up being hijacked by the same old crows that dominate this forum. From mexico, drugs, health care, and totally unrelated
mis-informed tripe, the releveance of this venue has unfortunately gone so far off-course that many people(especially new and
younger members)won't tolerate the BS propogated here. I'm advocating a new technical forum with strict rules that won't allow the
unfortunate degradation that has happened here. Any interest??
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Bob
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'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] New GMC forum needed [message #233750 is a reply to message #233748] |
Sun, 22 December 2013 22:37 |
Mr ERFisher
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less than one year life of technical data on social media sites
i have 7 years of old gmcnet that i can search
just stick to the gmc facts
maybe us old farts will come back
gene
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 8:33 PM, Robert Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>wrote:
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> Bob,
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> https://www.facebook.com/ClassicGMCMotorhomes
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> Regards,
> Rob M.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob de Kruyff
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> After my last piss off over the religeous content of this forum, I swore
> never to post again. However, I really miss the technical
> content and decided to check the posts today. Well, I have to say that
> things are even worse than I thought. Most of the posts wind
> up being hijacked by the same old crows that dominate this forum. From
> mexico, drugs, health care, and totally unrelated
> mis-informed tripe, the releveance of this venue has unfortunately gone so
> far off-course that many people(especially new and
> younger members)won't tolerate the BS propogated here. I'm advocating a
> new technical forum with strict rules that won't allow the
> unfortunate degradation that has happened here. Any interest??
> --
> Bob
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| Re: New GMC forum needed [message #233752 is a reply to message #233724] |
Sun, 22 December 2013 22:47 |
GeorgeRud
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Locking down threads if they get too far into left field (or right field?) is probably not a bad idea. However, it usually is easy enough to not take anything too personally and let people give their opinions. Most other groups that I follow have similar issues from time to time.
Just as with the technical information, most everything is an exchange of opinions and personal observations of what has worked or hasn't for the poster. In the few years I've owned my coach, I've already had some upgrades that were discussed and considered like a good idea, that have since proven to not be such a great idea.
Please, it's important to continue to try to share the collective knowledge of the group for future and new owners to be able to keep these fine coaches viable as they age.
George Rudawsky
Chicago, IL
75 Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] New GMC forum needed [message #233761 is a reply to message #233757] |
Mon, 23 December 2013 00:04 |
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On Dec 22, 2013, at 9:25 PM, Larry Davick wrote:
> adding nothing to the thread but a snarky comment (that I think is funny).
snarky sounds very scientific. i second the motion.
I respect everyone's right to have an educational view of their private thinking.
As long as the rant has integrity to them and not just flaming for the hell of it.
even then a little is worth the information that occurs. I have learned so much here.
if a person has an honest thought and stands for it, what can it hurt if it is sparse and meaningful.
we are all different but all Americans, i find it a great place and hope i never insult anyone unless the truth
makes it so. I hope to only help anyone here have a view of the truth and thank those that help me.
It is great to have a good plan to design my gmc. Finding good deals for tools and parts that are pointed out
by others. It is a strong faith in the open minded integrity of each person that makes it interesting and brotherly.
I cannot help reading every one's ideas and keeping the ones i can use and ignore the ones that do not.
add my opinion for those that can use it, i thank all of you for allowing me to participate with such a great tool as this place.
happy holidays and new year to all. does anyone want to join a voodoo class with me? joke.
mickey grand master of he kkk. joke. Anaheim ca. 77 palm beach.
TO be honest having a dishwasher is being really lazy and you could put tools in that same spot. But on the other hand?
My future x wife may like it? That would make it worth it. It sounds a little like the soup nazi on Seinfeld to be strictly nuts and bolts.
I love Jim B's way of making a thought bent with heat and pushed into a hole that makes it seem real in another way. Mac's
short but sweat great focus, Dan's already done that experience and advanced boon docking experience, Robs view of laser like
reality, and all the others that make this place a harry potter world of ideas. Thank you all. especially Mr. Burton who deserves that
award he got. Jim K for without him shit we would have to go to MGM. Just kidding MM, happy new year to all. Thank you all.
Good Luck to all of you and MGM - prayers for a better life. thank you all!
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| Re: [GMCnet] New GMC forum needed [message #233762 is a reply to message #233757] |
Sun, 22 December 2013 23:35 |
Ronald Pottol
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Add an off topic forum, and perhaps a way to not have them sent to email.
Plato seems wrong to me today.
On Dec 22, 2013 9:27 PM, "Larry Davick" <ljdavick@comcast.net> wrote:
> I'm frequently guilty of straying off topic or adding nothing to the
> thread but a snarky comment (that I think is funny).
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> Honestly some of the off original topic stuff becomes more meaningful and
> informative than the original topic. I've seen forums run by strict rules
> that are unfriendly to newcomers.
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> I like this place.
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> Larry Davick
> A Mystery Machine
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| Re: New GMC forum needed [message #233765 is a reply to message #233724] |
Mon, 23 December 2013 01:31 |
Kirk
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Bob, I for one would miss seeing your posts here.
On the forum note that on the upper right of the posts you can select "ignore all messages by this user". If someone offends you, you need not see any more of their posts.
You can be your own moderator.
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| Re: New GMC forum needed [message #233768 is a reply to message #233765] |
Mon, 23 December 2013 03:27 |
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I have to declare my self guilty of straying once, and I am sorry. will never do that again
That sayd I feel this forum steers wonderfully clear of religeous and political issues.
Yes, there is the accasional mention of " my Lord" but that really does not annoy me,. as nobody is trying to convert me
There is a lot of people here with a lot of different backgrounds and I feel that everybody realizes when to stop
This is deffinitly the friendliest forum I have ever been on
Appie
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| Re: [GMCnet] New GMC forum needed [message #233774 is a reply to message #233724] |
Mon, 23 December 2013 06:06 |
jhbridges
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I'm ambivalent. Experience tells me that
a) Off topic content tends to come and go on tech forums. It dies out about as fast left alone as it does moderated.
b) When you try to eliminate it with a second forum/list/whatever, you find one becomes the defacto entity and the other dies out and you're back where you started. Usually you also have a bunch of people mad at the topic cop.
--johnny
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From: Bob de Kruyff <NEXT2POOL@AOL.COM>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 9:33 PM
Subject: [GMCnet] New GMC forum needed
After my last piss off over the religeous content of this forum, I swore never to post again. However, I really miss the technical content and decided to check the posts today. Well, I have to say that things are even worse than I thought. Most of the posts wind up being hijacked by the same old crows that dominate this forum. From mexico, drugs, health care, and totally unrelated mis-informed tripe, the releveance of this venue has unfortunately gone so far off-course that many people(especially new and younger members)won't tolerate the BS propogated here. I'm advocating a new technical forum with strict rules that won't allow the unfortunate degradation that has happened here. Any interest??
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Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] New GMC forum needed [message #233777 is a reply to message #233774] |
Mon, 23 December 2013 07:07 |
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Perhaps we need to make better use of the sandbox - all non-GMC topics posted there - or moved there if an off topic post strays.
Well placed snark is harmless, a paragraph rant is threadjacking.
I'm as religious and political as the next guy, but it is off-topic in a tech forum, and annoying because of the purse swinging posts it baits from others afterward.
If we are truly committed to preserving these vehicles, do we really want to chase off a guy (or girl)who is on the verge of figuring out how to get an honest 15mpg, because he (or she) is a right wing atheist vegan?
It is easy to be cranky and intolerant. But, it is far more rewarding to be thoughtful of others, and keep the off-topic stuff to a minimum or its own special place.
Maybe the sandbox needs it own mailing list?
I came here because I need all the help I can get trying to get a 36 year old GMC basket case back to its former glory from people who don't think I'm crazy for doing it (or maybe you do).
I'm a 51 year old basket case that gets my spiritual and political fixes elsewhere.
Just my .02 as a newbie.
76 Birchaven - "Wicked Mistress" - New engine, trans, alum radiator, brakes, Sully airbags, fuel lines, seats, adult beverage center... those Coachmen guys were really thinking about us second hand owners by including that beverage center...
Columbia, SC.
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| Re: New GMC forum needed [message #233780 is a reply to message #233724] |
Mon, 23 December 2013 07:50 |
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>Perhaps we need to make better use of the sandbox
Yes, that's how many forums cope with the social chatter aspect. But with 70% of the users posting by email/listserve, they don't actually visit the forums. I'd guess that the sandbox isn't easily usable to them.
SOLD 77 Royale Coachmen Side Dry Bath
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| Re: [GMCnet] New GMC forum needed [message #233784 is a reply to message #233781] |
Mon, 23 December 2013 09:21 |
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I mostly lurk, but I do try to look at every contribution. I belong to another group that has the same issues raised. Unfortunately it seems like not all skin is the same thickness and some members are more offended by competing viewpoints than others. Since there have been only a few flare ups it doesn't seem to me that anything should be changed. The democratic principle of majority rule does not include unanimous agreement on all topics. So, keep it like it is and if a few dissenters have to hold their nose or even resign, the group will continue to have much GMC qinformation that we (mostly) all say we're here for.
Ron Johnson
> On Dec 23, 2013, at 6:24 AM, Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com> wrote:
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> rcjordan wrote on Mon, 23 December 2013 08:50
>>> Perhaps we need to make better use of the sandbox
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>> Yes, that's how many forums cope with the social chatter aspect. But with 70% of the users posting by email/listserve, they don't actually visit the forums. I'd guess that the sandbox isn't easily usable to them.
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> As I was once an E-mail reader, I can tell you that it is difficult either to read or post to the Swap or Sandbox.
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> Matt
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| Re: [GMCnet] New GMC forum needed [message #233785 is a reply to message #233777] |
Mon, 23 December 2013 09:23 |
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Never humble opinion follows:
It SHOULD be obvious that this mail list (or forum, if you use it) is a great amalgam of subject matter and viewpoints. It is simultaneously a sharing place for technical information AND a social gathering place. Occasionally, good friends here engage in good natured teasing which may be off-putting to newcomers who aren't "in on" the jokes.
Recently, one individual took offense to another's expression of his religious faith in his signature. That got a bit ugly for awhile, but most of us did NOT take offense, even if that expression might have been contrary to ours. The person who originally took offense now puts various statements in HIS signature line and everyone (hopefully) heeds or ignores those, too.
There is nothing in the US Constitution that conveys any right to not ever be offended. Put your big girl panties on, use the Delete key, and move on.
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> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: joeweir@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 07:07:22 -0600
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] New GMC forum needed
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> Perhaps we need to make better use of the sandbox - all non-GMC topics posted there - or moved there if an off topic post strays.
>
> Well placed snark is harmless, a paragraph rant is threadjacking.
>
> I'm as religious and political as the next guy, but it is off-topic in a tech forum, and annoying because of the purse swinging posts it baits from others afterward.
>
> If we are truly committed to preserving these vehicles, do we really want to chase off a guy (or girl)who is on the verge of figuring out how to get an honest 15mpg, because he (or she) is a right wing atheist vegan?
>
> It is easy to be cranky and intolerant. But, it is far more rewarding to be thoughtful of others, and keep the off-topic stuff to a minimum or its own special place.
>
> Maybe the sandbox needs it own mailing list?
>
> I came here because I need all the help I can get trying to get a 36 year old GMC basket case back to its former glory from people who don't think I'm crazy for doing it (or maybe you do).
>
> I'm a 51 year old basket case that gets my spiritual and political fixes elsewhere.
>
> Just my .02 as a newbie.
>
>
> --
> 76 Birchaven - New engine, trans, brakes, airbags...
> Columbia, SC.
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