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Wed, 18 December 2013 18:28  |
zhagrieb
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I have no idea how many members GMCMI has or how many go to the parties. I am more that curious why the party goers shall henceforth and evermore be known as "members" while those who stay home shall be branded "associate members". Seems a tad second class.
I understand the liability insurance issue for the parties. Perhaps the party goers need only flash a valid FMCI membership to pass through the party portals. Or they might be termed "party members".
I see no need for the two party system.
Glenn
Glenn Giere, Portland OR, K7GAG
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| Re: Associate Member ??? [message #233436 is a reply to message #233432] |
Wed, 18 December 2013 19:02  |
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As I understand it, the associate membership is for folks who do not want to attend rallies or maintain their FMCA membership. They will continue to get the roster, parts list, and newsletters and have access to the GMCMI members area of the GMCMI web site. It is, obviously, less expensive.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
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| Re: [GMCnet] Associate Member ??? [message #233440 is a reply to message #233436] |
Wed, 18 December 2013 19:24 |
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That's a very accurate explanation, Kerry.
Anyone, everyone is welcome to attend a GMCMI convention to see what it's
like. If an Associate Member decides to attend a second convention, all he
has to do is join (or renew with) FMCA.
Thanks
bdub
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From: On Behalf Of Kerry Pinkerton
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 7:03 PM
As I understand it, the associate membership is for folks who do not want to
attend rallies or maintain their FMCA membership. They will continue to get
the roster, parts list, and newsletters and have access to the GMCMI members
area of the GMCMI web site. It is, obviously, less expensive.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Associate Member ??? [message #233455 is a reply to message #233435] |
Wed, 18 December 2013 22:40 |
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Jim,
I did a bit of research and this is the SECOND time Glenn has brought this subject up.
On October 17th he sent in this message:
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I got an email from Bill Massey but signed by Emery Storer, stating that any GMCMI member who chooses not to maintain FMCA
membership (and not attend the conventions), will be reclassified as an "Associate Member" and will be taken off the roster.
What's up with that?
Glenn
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Emery Stora responded with this message:
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Glenn,
You must not be a current member of FMCA or you would not have gotten that email from Billy Massey.
NOTE: I CHECKED AND GLENN IS NOT ON THE GMCMI ROSTER DATED JANUARY 25, 2013.
Instead of bring up your question on the GMCnet why didn't you contact me or your GMCMI area vice president? The GMCnet is not
affiliated with GMCMI. However, since I am active on the GMCnet I will answer your question here.
GMC Motorhomes International motorhome club is a Chapter of FMCA. FMCA provides an insurance program covering members of its
chapters for their rallies, officer liability, publications liability and website liability. Without that insurance GMCMI and other
chapters of FMCA would not be able to stay in existence, or the club and its officers would all be subject to possible lawsuits in
case of someone getting killed or injured in case of any perceived liability by the club.
From time to time FMCA sends notices to people that they have not paid their dues. Then, after a time, and repeated notices to the
past due member they drop them from membership in FMCA. Then FMCA sends notice to GMCMI regarding members not renewing their FMCA
dues. So we then send letters or email out to those members reminding them to get current with FMCA and telling that that if they
are not in good standing with FMCA we would be forced to not renew them into GMCMI and they would not be able to attend conventions
as they, and GMCMI, would not be covered by the insurance FMCA provides.
Recently I have had several discussions with FMCA to find out if there would be any way for GMCMI to maintain affiliation with those
people.
So, as a courtesy, or service, to those people we have now come up with an Associate Member program which would allow those people
to still get mailings of GMCMI newsletters, etc. but they would not be in our roster of members and would not be eligible to attend
conventions.
From time to time we also get inquiries from people that don't own a motorhome but are thinking of purchasing a GMC. In the past we
could not make them members because they did not meet the requirements of FMCA. Now we can offer them an Associate Membership so
they could get our mailings and view all areas of our Website.
The letter sent over my name, Emery StorA, did not say that any GMCMI member who chooses not to maintain FMCA membership would be
reclassified as an Associate Member. This would not be automatic. In order for that GMCer to become an Associate Member they would
have to let us know that they are not an FMCA member or have not renewed with FMCA and to pay the next years dues for GMCMI and then
we would make them an Associate Member. You could think of this as a publications subscription. They would get the club mailings but
not be a Member.
Several other GMC clubs have the same problem with non-FMCA members. Those clubs also would have a big liability problem and, if the
officers are made aware of their individual liability, they would likely have difficulty recruiting officers in this litigious age.
Just for further information, GMCMI has never required that a Member own a GMC Motorhome. They just have to meet the FMCA
requirements which is to own at least 1/3 of a "qualifying" motorhome. So, even if you own an SOB (some other brand) you can be a
GMCMI member.
Emery Stora
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Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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From: Jim Galbavy
Glenn,
GMCMI is a club made up of people (members) who have an interest in the TZE GMC motorhomes. Are you a member of GMCMI? We don't hold
parties, we have rallies that are paid for with dues and rally fees. We also don't crash parties.
jim galbavy
'73 x-CL ANNIE
Lake Mary, FL
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| Re: Associate Member ??? [message #233456 is a reply to message #233432] |
Wed, 18 December 2013 23:25 |
zhagrieb
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Emery,
Yes this is the second time I've brought this up. My question remains however. Under your plan one cannot be regarded as a "full" member of GMCMI unless one is a convention attending member. All others would be relegated to "associate" status. Semantics I agree but not insubstantial. Your plan may solve a problem GMCMI is having with FMCI but seems unfair to those don't attend the parties and don't care to maintain FMCI membership.
BTW, your statement regarding my FMCI membership not only has nothing to do with this issue but is untrue. Should you care to check with FMCI you'd find I am indeed a card carrying member.
Glenn
Glenn Giere, Portland OR, K7GAG
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| Re: Associate Member ??? [message #233457 is a reply to message #233456] |
Thu, 19 December 2013 00:04 |
kerry pinkerton
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| zhagrieb wrote on Wed, 18 December 2013 23:25 |
... Under your plan one cannot be regarded as a "full" member of GMCMI unless one is a convention attending member. All others would be relegated to "associate" status. ...
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Glenn, one of us is confused. As I understand it, if a GMCMI member CHOOSES NOT to join or maintain their FMCA membership, they will become an associate member and not be able to attend a GMCMI rally unless they join or rejoin FMCA. Although I THINK one rally is a gimmy for prospective/new members. I'm not sure if that is what you understand or not...or perhaps I'm wrong...but I don't think so.
Let me state it another way. If you belong to GMCMI AND FMCA you will be a "FULL" member. Attending a rally has nothing to do with the membership but only FULL members may attend rallies. If you CHOOSE not to join FMCA you will be an associate member and only get the publications and website access. If I recall correctly, the discussion was that there are considerable GMCMI members (and other non GMC clubs too) who for various reasons, don't attend, or no longer attend rallies. They still wanted to maintain a connection to their friends and the publications. The associate membership gives them a way to get what they want without having to pay the FMCA membership fees. That's all.
For those of us who have, and plan to maintain, GMCMI AND FMCA memberships nothing changes. For those who don't, the associate membership is a new OPTION. All this is driven by the FMCA insurance for the clubs. Without the FMCA insurance, there would be no rallies. Until this concept came up, FMCA required that ALL GMCMI members maintain their FMCA membership whether they attended rallies or even had a motorhome or even if they still drove. Kind of a waste of money. The new associate membership just gives those folks an option. If they want to be a FULL member and maintain GMCMI and FMCA memberships they don't have to attend rallies. No one is being forced into anything.
I want to attend GMCMI rallies, this means I need to maintain membership in FMCA AND GMCMI. That's the program and that's what I will do. Other folks may choose a different path...that's kind of the American way imo.
Btw, I'm in no way associated with GMCMI other than as a member who was paying attention in the meeting where this was explained. In other words, I ain't selling anything here.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
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| Re: Associate Member ??? [message #233458 is a reply to message #233432] |
Thu, 19 December 2013 00:24 |
zhagrieb
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Kerry,
From your perspective you're right on.
My issue is regarding current members who choose not to attend the rallies and therefore not maintain FMCI membership. Should they now be regarded as associate members? I think not. That's all. There must be another way to satisfy the FMCI rally issue without adopting two tier membership.
It would be nice to know just how many choose not to be FMCI members. Perhaps they don't care what they're called.
Glenn
Glenn Giere, Portland OR, K7GAG
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| Re: Associate Member ??? [message #233465 is a reply to message #233458] |
Thu, 19 December 2013 07:46 |
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| zhagrieb wrote on Thu, 19 December 2013 01:24 |
Kerry,
From your perspective you're right on.
My issue is regarding current members who choose not to attend the rallies and therefore not maintain FMCI membership. Should they now be regarded as associate members? I think not. That's all. There must be another way to satisfy the FMCI rally issue without adopting two tier membership.
It would be nice to know just how many choose not to be FMCI members. Perhaps they don't care what they're called.
Glenn
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To put it simply, if you don't want to maintain an FMCA membership, you are a different class in GMCMI. I know by connotation that is a bad thing, but it really means nothing except you can't attend more than one rally. FMCA provides not just GMCMI but many other motor home clubs a valuable service. And their lobbying efforts provide benefits to all motor home owners, regardless of membership. If you don't want to belong to FMCA that's fine, but you cannot and should not partake, even indirectly, in those services. How is that a bad thing? No pay, no benefit.
So yes, if you are not an FMCA member but wish to remain a GMCMI member, then you are a different class for GMCMI. You are fortunate that GMCMI has found a way for you to continue enjoying almost all the GMCMI benefits except rallies, since GMCMI has ALWAYS existed under the umbrella of FMCA.
Lets be thankful for the exception that is being made instead of fretting, worrying, or complaining that you are now "second class." The term means nothing and nothing changes unless you want to attend more than one rally. If you wish to freeload off FMCA benefits that is and has been your perogative. In one respect it is no longer possible (attending multiple GMCMI rallies), in other respects you are free to continue to do so.
It's really quite simple.
Thanks,
Jeremy Knezek
1976 Glenbrook
Birmingham, AL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Associate Member ??? [message #233470 is a reply to message #233465] |
Thu, 19 December 2013 08:36 |
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This has been under discussion by GMCMI and other clubs for over a year. The GMC Great Lakers modified their ByLaws this past fall to include an Associate Membership Status. It is very similar to the GMCMI change. As for explaining the new membership status that is available I think that Jeremy and Kerry have done it very well. You now have another option if you decide that FMCA membership is not for you, but FMCA is important to the active clubs and membership because of the insurance factor along with other things that FMCA does for the RV owners in general. As any associate member you get all the benefits, except the ability to attend rallies. You get one rally attendance, but then you must join FMCA to attend any additional rallies in the future.
We, the GMCGL allow guest to attend one of our rallies to check us out or look at the GMC lifestyle, cult or what ever. We also offer this membership to our older member who have sold their GMC motor home and wish to stay connected to the club.
JR Wright
GMC Great Laker MHC
GMC Eastern States
GMCMHI
78 GMC Buskirk 30’ Stretch
1975 GMC Avion (Under Reconstruction)
Michigan
On Dec 19, 2013, at 8:46 AM, Jeremy <jtknezek@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> zhagrieb wrote on Thu, 19 December 2013 01:24
>> Kerry,
>>
>> From your perspective you're right on.
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>> My issue is regarding current members who choose not to attend the rallies and therefore not maintain FMCI membership. Should they now be regarded as associate members? I think not. That's all. There must be another way to satisfy the FMCI rally issue without adopting two tier membership.
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>> It would be nice to know just how many choose not to be FMCI members. Perhaps they don't care what they're called.
>>
>> Glenn
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> To put it simply, if you don't want to maintain an FMCA membership, you are a different class in GMCMI. I know by connotation that is a bad thing, but it really means nothing except you can't attend more than one rally. FMCA provides not just GMCMI but many other motor home clubs a valuable service. And their lobbying efforts provide benefits to all motor home owners, regardless of membership. If you don't want to belong to FMCA that's fine, but you cannot and should not partake, even indirectly, in those services. How is that a bad thing? No pay, no benefit.
>
> So yes, if you are not an FMCA member but wish to remain a GMCMI member, then you are a different class for GMCMI. You are fortunate that GMCMI has found a way for you to continue enjoying almost all the GMCMI benefits except rallies, since GMCMI has ALWAYS existed under the umbrella of FMCA.
>
> Lets be thankful for the exception that is being made instead of fretting, worrying, or complaining that you are now "second class." The term means nothing and nothing changes unless you want to attend more than one rally. If you wish to freeload off FMCA benefits that is and has been your perogative. In one respect it is no longer possible (attending multiple GMCMI rallies), in other respects you are free to continue to do so.
>
> It's really quite simple.
> --
> Thanks,
> Jeremy Knezek
> 1976 Glenbrook
> Birmingham, AL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Associate Member ??? [message #233473 is a reply to message #233470] |
Thu, 19 December 2013 09:54 |
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I wonder if FMCA has ever considered offering membership WITHOUT the magazine which COULD lower the cost considerably.
I think there may have been all of one or two articles total in the past year in which I had ANY interest.
To me, it's just one big pile of advertising for stuff I don't want/need and could never afford which just adds to the trash in the landfill.
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> From: powerjon@chartermi.net
> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 09:36:30 -0500
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Associate Member ???
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> This has been under discussion by GMCMI and other clubs for over a year. The GMC Great Lakers modified their ByLaws this past fall to include an Associate Membership Status. It is very similar to the GMCMI change. As for explaining the new membership status that is available I think that Jeremy and Kerry have done it very well. You now have another option if you decide that FMCA membership is not for you, but FMCA is important to the active clubs and membership because of the insurance factor along with other things that FMCA does for the RV owners in general. As any associate member you get all the benefits, except the ability to attend rallies. You get one rally attendance, but then you must join FMCA to attend any additional rallies in the future.
> We, the GMCGL allow guest to attend one of our rallies to check us out or look at the GMC lifestyle, cult or what ever. We also offer this membership to our older member who have sold their GMC motor home and wish to stay connected to the club.
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> JR Wright
> GMC Great Laker MHC
> GMC Eastern States
> GMCMHI
> 78 GMC Buskirk 30’ Stretch
> 1975 GMC Avion (Under Reconstruction)
> Michigan
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> On Dec 19, 2013, at 8:46 AM, Jeremy <jtknezek@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > zhagrieb wrote on Thu, 19 December 2013 01:24
> >> Kerry,
> >>
> >> From your perspective you're right on.
> >>
> >> My issue is regarding current members who choose not to attend the rallies and therefore not maintain FMCI membership. Should they now be regarded as associate members? I think not. That's all. There must be another way to satisfy the FMCI rally issue without adopting two tier membership.
> >>
> >> It would be nice to know just how many choose not to be FMCI members. Perhaps they don't care what they're called.
> >>
> >> Glenn
> >
> >
> >
> > To put it simply, if you don't want to maintain an FMCA membership, you are a different class in GMCMI. I know by connotation that is a bad thing, but it really means nothing except you can't attend more than one rally. FMCA provides not just GMCMI but many other motor home clubs a valuable service. And their lobbying efforts provide benefits to all motor home owners, regardless of membership. If you don't want to belong to FMCA that's fine, but you cannot and should not partake, even indirectly, in those services. How is that a bad thing? No pay, no benefit.
> >
> > So yes, if you are not an FMCA member but wish to remain a GMCMI member, then you are a different class for GMCMI. You are fortunate that GMCMI has found a way for you to continue enjoying almost all the GMCMI benefits except rallies, since GMCMI has ALWAYS existed under the umbrella of FMCA.
> >
> > Lets be thankful for the exception that is being made instead of fretting, worrying, or complaining that you are now "second class." The term means nothing and nothing changes unless you want to attend more than one rally. If you wish to freeload off FMCA benefits that is and has been your perogative. In one respect it is no longer possible (attending multiple GMCMI rallies), in other respects you are free to continue to do so.
> >
> > It's really quite simple.
> > --
> > Thanks,
> > Jeremy Knezek
> > 1976 Glenbrook
> > Birmingham, AL
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| Re: Associate Member ??? [message #233485 is a reply to message #233458] |
Thu, 19 December 2013 12:38 |
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| zhagrieb wrote on Thu, 19 December 2013 00:24 |
Kerry,
From your perspective you're right on.
My issue is regarding current members who choose not to attend the rallies and therefore not maintain FMCI membership. Should they now be regarded as associate members? I think not. That's all. There must be another way to satisfy the FMCI rally issue without adopting two tier membership.
It would be nice to know just how many choose not to be FMCI members. Perhaps they don't care what they're called.
Glenn
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So this is about a 'label'???? I'd say just get over it...or pay the FMCA membership if the 'associate member' label bugs you.
It really is a choice that you and all of us have. Want to save some money and not go to rallies? Then join GMCMI only and become an 'associate member'. Want it all or don't want the 'label' then have to join FMCA.
The alternative is that if you want to be a GMCMI member you would HAVE to be an FMCA member. As I understand it, the hard won decision to create an alternative membership category took years of negotiating by the clubs (GMCMI included) and FMCA. FMCA finally backed off their position that EVERY MEMBER HAS TO BE A FMCA MEMBER OR NO INSURANCE as long as every member that attends rallies is an FMCA member. At the Branson membership meeting, they also discussed that alternative insurance programs had been investigated but none were found that were viable in terms of coverage and price.
Without insurance, there will be few, if any, formal rallies even at the regional club level because of the liability issues.
This isn't about GMCMI trying to screw inactive members, it is about GMCMI and all the other clubs finding a way for inactive members to stay connected to their communities. This appears to be a win-win.
As you say Glenn, I expect some people may vote with their feet and some folks will be thrilled that they can save the FMCA membership fee. I'd also expect that the regional GMC clubs will adopt a similar program.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: [GMCnet] Associate Member ??? [message #233486 is a reply to message #233485] |
Thu, 19 December 2013 12:54 |
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O.K. Let me see. I belong to FMCA. I belong to GMCMI. I belong to GMCWS. I
belong to GMC49ers. I belong to GMC Cascaders. I belong to Keizer Elks.
But, don't you know it, I don't attend all the rallies, gatherings, get
togethers, Lodge meetings, and on and on. Perhaps I should ask for a
partial refund from the organizations that I belong to but DO NOT CHOOSE TO
PARTICIPATE IN FULLY. If every member did the same, could the organizations
still exist? Doesn't even deserve an answer. I have a similar problem with
Insurance. With life insurance, I will have to die to collect it. How is
that going to benefit me? When I worked, I had to pay Union Dues no matter
if I belonged to the Union or not. I did and was a shop steward for many
years. But that was my choice. I believe that all Emery was trying to do
here was to give some less active members a break on what it cost to
belong. Thanks for your effort Emery. I for one see the value in what you
are trying to do. As for those with huge chips on their shoulders that dare
everyone to try and knock it off, Don't bit%% too much if someone does. I
support your right to your opinions, mine may be different but no less
valid.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Kerry Pinkerton <Pinkertonk@mchsi.com>wrote:
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> zhagrieb wrote on Thu, 19 December 2013 00:24
> > Kerry,
> >
> > From your perspective you're right on.
> >
> > My issue is regarding current members who choose not to attend the
> rallies and therefore not maintain FMCI membership. Should they now be
> regarded as associate members? I think not. That's all. There must be
> another way to satisfy the FMCI rally issue without adopting two tier
> membership.
> >
> > It would be nice to know just how many choose not to be FMCI members.
> Perhaps they don't care what they're called.
> >
> > Glenn
>
>
> So this is about a 'label'???? I'd say just get over it...or pay the FMCA
> membership if the 'associate member' label bugs you.
>
> It really is a choice that you and all of us have. Want to save some
> money and not go to rallies? Then join GMCMI only and become an 'associate
> member'. Want it all or don't want the 'label' then have to join FMCA.
>
> The alternative is that if you want to be a GMCMI member you would HAVE to
> be an FMCA member. As I understand it, the hard won decision to create an
> alternative membership category took years of negotiating by the clubs
> (GMCMI included) and FMCA. FMCA finally backed off their position that
> EVERY MEMBER HAS TO BE A FMCA MEMBER OR NO INSURANCE as long as every
> member that attends rallies is an FMCA member. At the Branson membership
> meeting, they also discussed that alternative insurance programs had been
> investigated but none were found that were viable in terms of coverage and
> price.
>
> Without insurance, there will be few, if any, formal rallies even at the
> regional club level because of the liability issues.
>
> This isn't about GMCMI trying to screw inactive members, it is about GMCMI
> and all the other clubs finding a way for inactive members to stay
> connected to their communities. This appears to be a win-win.
>
> As you say Glenn, I expect some people may vote with their feet and some
> folks will be thrilled that they can save the FMCA membership fee. I'd
> also expect that the regional GMC clubs will adopt a similar program.
> --
> Kerry Pinkerton
>
> North Alabama, near Huntsville,
>
> 77 Eleganza II, "The Lady", 403CI, also a 76 Eleganza being re-bodied as
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| Re: [GMCnet] Associate Member ??? [message #233494 is a reply to message #233473] |
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the magazine could go all digital and have no paper and down load. Mickey's future proofing ideas, 77 palm beach anaheim ca.
On Dec 19, 2013, at 7:54 AM, D C _Mac_ Macdonald wrote:
> I wonder if FMCA has ever considered offering membership WITHOUT the magazine which COULD lower the cost considerably.
>
> I think there may have been all of one or two articles total in the past year in which I had ANY interest.
>
> To me, it's just one big pile of advertising for stuff I don't want/need and could never afford which just adds to the trash in the landfill.
>
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>> From: powerjon@chartermi.net
>> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 09:36:30 -0500
>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Associate Member ???
>>
>> This has been under discussion by GMCMI and other clubs for over a year. The GMC Great Lakers modified their ByLaws this past fall to include an Associate Membership Status. It is very similar to the GMCMI change. As for explaining the new membership status that is available I think that Jeremy and Kerry have done it very well. You now have another option if you decide that FMCA membership is not for you, but FMCA is important to the active clubs and membership because of the insurance factor along with other things that FMCA does for the RV owners in general. As any associate member you get all the benefits, except the ability to attend rallies. You get one rally attendance, but then you must join FMCA to attend any additional rallies in the future.
>> We, the GMCGL allow guest to attend one of our rallies to check us out or look at the GMC lifestyle, cult or what ever. We also offer this membership to our older member who have sold their GMC motor home and wish to stay connected to the club.
>>
>> JR Wright
>> GMC Great Laker MHC
>> GMC Eastern States
>> GMCMHI
>> 78 GMC Buskirk 30’ Stretch
>> 1975 GMC Avion (Under Reconstruction)
>> Michigan
>>
>> On Dec 19, 2013, at 8:46 AM, Jeremy <jtknezek@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> zhagrieb wrote on Thu, 19 December 2013 01:24
>>>> Kerry,
>>>>
>>>> From your perspective you're right on.
>>>>
>>>> My issue is regarding current members who choose not to attend the rallies and therefore not maintain FMCI membership. Should they now be regarded as associate members? I think not. That's all. There must be another way to satisfy the FMCI rally issue without adopting two tier membership.
>>>>
>>>> It would be nice to know just how many choose not to be FMCI members. Perhaps they don't care what they're called.
>>>>
>>>> Glenn
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To put it simply, if you don't want to maintain an FMCA membership, you are a different class in GMCMI. I know by connotation that is a bad thing, but it really means nothing except you can't attend more than one rally. FMCA provides not just GMCMI but many other motor home clubs a valuable service. And their lobbying efforts provide benefits to all motor home owners, regardless of membership. If you don't want to belong to FMCA that's fine, but you cannot and should not partake, even indirectly, in those services. How is that a bad thing? No pay, no benefit.
>>>
>>> So yes, if you are not an FMCA member but wish to remain a GMCMI member, then you are a different class for GMCMI. You are fortunate that GMCMI has found a way for you to continue enjoying almost all the GMCMI benefits except rallies, since GMCMI has ALWAYS existed under the umbrella of FMCA.
>>>
>>> Lets be thankful for the exception that is being made instead of fretting, worrying, or complaining that you are now "second class." The term means nothing and nothing changes unless you want to attend more than one rally. If you wish to freeload off FMCA benefits that is and has been your perogative. In one respect it is no longer possible (attending multiple GMCMI rallies), in other respects you are free to continue to do so.
>>>
>>> It's really quite simple.
>>> --
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jeremy Knezek
>>> 1976 Glenbrook
>>> Birmingham, AL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Associate Member ??? [message #233497 is a reply to message #233494] |
Thu, 19 December 2013 15:18 |
emerystora
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It already is in digital format on the FMCA site.
Emery Stora
On Dec 19, 2013, at 1:51 PM, Mickey Space Ship Shuttle <mickeysss@me.com> wrote:
> the magazine could go all digital and have no paper and down load. Mickey's future proofing ideas, 77 palm beach anaheim ca.
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2013, at 7:54 AM, D C _Mac_ Macdonald wrote:
>
>> I wonder if FMCA has ever considered offering membership WITHOUT the magazine which COULD lower the cost considerably.
>>
>> I think there may have been all of one or two articles total in the past year in which I had ANY interest.
>>
>> To me, it's just one big pile of advertising for stuff I don't want/need and could never afford which just adds to the trash in the landfill.
>>
>> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
>> ~~ ~ D C "Mac" Macdonald ~ ~~
>> ~ ~ Amateur Radio - K2GKK ~ ~
>> ~~ k2gkk @ hotmail dot com ~~
>> ~ ~ USAF and FAA, Retired ~ ~
>> ~ ~ ~ Oklahoma City, OK ~ ~ ~
>> ~~ ~ ~ "The Money Pit" ~ ~ ~~
>> ~ ~ ~ ex-Palm Beach, 76 ~ ~ ~
>> ~~ k2gkk + hotmail dot com ~~
>> ~ www.gmcmhphotos.com/okclb ~
>> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: powerjon@chartermi.net
>>> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 09:36:30 -0500
>>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Associate Member ???
>>>
>>> This has been under discussion by GMCMI and other clubs for over a year. The GMC Great Lakers modified their ByLaws this past fall to include an Associate Membership Status. It is very similar to the GMCMI change. As for explaining the new membership status that is available I think that Jeremy and Kerry have done it very well. You now have another option if you decide that FMCA membership is not for you, but FMCA is important to the active clubs and membership because of the insurance factor along with other things that FMCA does for the RV owners in general. As any associate member you get all the benefits, except the ability to attend rallies. You get one rally attendance, but then you must join FMCA to attend any additional rallies in the future.
>>> We, the GMCGL allow guest to attend one of our rallies to check us out or look at the GMC lifestyle, cult or what ever. We also offer this membership to our older member who have sold their GMC motor home and wish to stay connected to the club.
>>>
>>> JR Wright
>>> GMC Great Laker MHC
>>> GMC Eastern States
>>> GMCMHI
>>> 78 GMC Buskirk 30’ Stretch
>>> 1975 GMC Avion (Under Reconstruction)
>>> Michigan
>>>
>>> On Dec 19, 2013, at 8:46 AM, Jeremy <jtknezek@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> zhagrieb wrote on Thu, 19 December 2013 01:24
>>>>> Kerry,
>>>>>
>>>>> From your perspective you're right on.
>>>>>
>>>>> My issue is regarding current members who choose not to attend the rallies and therefore not maintain FMCI membership. Should they now be regarded as associate members? I think not. That's all. There must be another way to satisfy the FMCI rally issue without adopting two tier membership.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be nice to know just how many choose not to be FMCI members. Perhaps they don't care what they're called.
>>>>>
>>>>> Glenn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To put it simply, if you don't want to maintain an FMCA membership, you are a different class in GMCMI. I know by connotation that is a bad thing, but it really means nothing except you can't attend more than one rally. FMCA provides not just GMCMI but many other motor home clubs a valuable service. And their lobbying efforts provide benefits to all motor home owners, regardless of membership. If you don't want to belong to FMCA that's fine, but you cannot and should not partake, even indirectly, in those services. How is that a bad thing? No pay, no benefit.
>>>>
>>>> So yes, if you are not an FMCA member but wish to remain a GMCMI member, then you are a different class for GMCMI. You are fortunate that GMCMI has found a way for you to continue enjoying almost all the GMCMI benefits except rallies, since GMCMI has ALWAYS existed under the umbrella of FMCA.
>>>>
>>>> Lets be thankful for the exception that is being made instead of fretting, worrying, or complaining that you are now "second class." The term means nothing and nothing changes unless you want to attend more than one rally. If you wish to freeload off FMCA benefits that is and has been your perogative. In one respect it is no longer possible (attending multiple GMCMI rallies), in other respects you are free to continue to do so.
>>>>
>>>> It's really quite simple.
>>>> --
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jeremy Knezek
>>>> 1976 Glenbrook
>>>> Birmingham, AL
>>
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