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Thu, 05 December 2013 20:52  |
Steve
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I am sure we have all read at least something about 3D printing. I have not had a chance to really understand just how far that technology is progressing. I have thought about how it may impact the car hobby.
Could we really reproduce rare parts as a single unit at economically viable price points. How many years could we be away from that?
What would you want to print for the GMC?
I might start with a new set of exact fit plastic gas tanks. Just scan and old one to get the exact specs.
1978 GMC Royal
Eastern Pennslyvania
1968 Chevrolet C20 396 Camper Special
1969 Chevrolet C20 Camper Special
1985 Buick Electra Park Avenue
1992 Camaro 25th Anniversary Heretage Edition Black
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| Re: [GMCnet] 3 D Printing - Advanced Manufacturing [message #232369 is a reply to message #232368] |
Thu, 05 December 2013 21:04  |
sgltrac
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Can't do anything that big cost effectively yet. At least that's what I found trying to get a blank built for my grill prototype.
Todd Sullivan
Sully
77 royale
Seattle
> On Dec 5, 2013, at 6:52 PM, Steve Adams <sjadams@ptd.net> wrote:
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> I am sure we have all read at least something about 3D printing. I have not had a chance to really understand just how far that technology is progressing. I have thought about how it may impact the car hobby.
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> Could we really reproduce rare parts as a single unit at economically viable price points. How many years could we be away from that?
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> What would you want to print for the GMC?
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> I might start with a new set of exact fit plastic gas tanks. Just scan and old one to get the exact specs.
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> 1978 GMC Royal
> 1968 Chevrolet C20 396 Camper Special
> 1969 Chevrolet C20 Camper Special
> 1985 Buick Electra Park Avenue
> 1992 Camaro 25th Anniversary Heretage Edition Black
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| Re: [GMCnet] 3 D Printing - Advanced Manufacturing [message #232371 is a reply to message #232368] |
Thu, 05 December 2013 21:14 |
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I have purchased a small 3d printer (5"x5"x5"). It is the Cube 3d. Can
print in PLA andABS.
Still learning, but the 3d creation tools I have tried so far leave much
to be desired (or I may just be stuck in the 2d (Corel Draw) world).
Terry
On 12/5/2013 6:52 PM, Steve Adams wrote:
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> I am sure we have all read at least something about 3D printing. I have not had a chance to really understand just how far that technology is progressing. I have thought about how it may impact the car hobby.
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> Could we really reproduce rare parts as a single unit at economically viable price points. How many years could we be away from that?
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> What would you want to print for the GMC?
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> I might start with a new set of exact fit plastic gas tanks. Just scan and old one to get the exact specs.
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| Re: 3 D Printing - Advanced Manufacturing [message #232377 is a reply to message #232368] |
Thu, 05 December 2013 22:15 |
Craig Lechowicz
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I'm not an expert by any means, but still know a lot of people in the auto industry. Most 3d printed parts today are non-structural, and either used to assess fits (as an example, making sure the computer model of where you are trying to squeeze the fuel fill line in matches the actual physical space there) or used to make a mold for a casting, or layup of a stronger material. And, although they're incredibly useful, big parts require very expensive printers. Who knows what lies down the road, but it's not here yet. There is an emerging area of "hacker spaces, or hobby shops" that charge a monthly membership for access to some of this amazing technology. I'm hoping it won't be long before economic production of a lot size of 1 is viable. If you read "The Machine that Changed the World" the 1980's book by the two leading experts on lean production, the end point of that system is exactly that. Tools like 3d printing weren't even imagined back when that book was current, and the pace of change in the technology is amazing. I think not just for the old vehicle market, the 3d printer & hacker space kinds of evolution point to a big upheaval in how innovation and production of new products takes place.
Craig Lechowicz
'77 Kingsley, Waterford, MI
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| Re: [GMCnet] 3 D Printing - Advanced Manufacturing [message #232403 is a reply to message #232397] |
Fri, 06 December 2013 05:09 |
Ken Henderson
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When you look at the intricate designs of such short-lived plastic parts as
headlight lenses on current cars, it's obvious that there will be none of
them with lives comparable to the GMC's -- unless those parts can be
replicated by 3-D printing or similar.
Star Trek come true?
Ken H.
On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 2:46 AM, Larry Davick <ljdavick@comcast.net> wrote:
> It’s inevitable - 3-D imaging will lead to fast fabrication from printers
> for modeling and then mills for manufacturing. Look what Mr. Rockwell did
> for our intake manifold!
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| Re: [GMCnet] 3 D Printing - Advanced Manufacturing [message #232407 is a reply to message #232403] |
Fri, 06 December 2013 06:38 |
tphipps
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MAKE magazine released for the season an excellent guide book to state of the art for hobbyist 3-D printers. For the $10 bucks a good value.
Hobby machines are handicapped by small print area, but some are pushing the envelope. Printing is in plastic, PLA and ABS, but work is being done in splintered metal.
I would like access to one, in a MakerSpace, but the odds are very high against one existing anywhere near my next location. I visited a MakerSpace, one hae of a Man Cave.
Tom, MS II, on the move again, perhaps for the last time.
2012 Phoenix Cruiser model 2552
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| Re: [GMCnet] 3 D Printing - Advanced Manufacturing [message #232411 is a reply to message #232368] |
Fri, 06 December 2013 06:58 |
jhbridges
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As I understand it, if they are plastic parts and their dimensions are within the printer's capabilities, the technology is available now. The local library has one of them, and you can use it for the cost of supplies. I haven't gone and looked at it yet, it's on my list o stuff to do this winter. I expect I will have to avail myself of it to do the dashboard insert in the new used toad. It's going to get 5 guages plus a speedo in a different layout than stock. Just from the pictures in the paper, you should be able to do a GMC dashboard, albeit in two pieces. I think the technology is pretty mucyh unlimited.
I'm waiting to see which of our suppliers buys the first one and offers custom or new parts for the coaches. Vapor cannistor, forexample ought to be easy. Or the water seperator on my dead VW diesel.
--johnny
From: Steve Adams <sjadams@ptd.net>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 9:52 PM
Subject: [GMCnet] 3 D Printing - Advanced Manufacturing
I am sure we have all read at least something about 3D printing. I have not had a chance to really understand just how far that technology is progressing. I have thought about how it may impact the car hobby.
Could we really reproduce rare parts as a single unit at economically viable price points. How many years could we be away from that?
What would you want to print for the GMC?
I might start with a new set of exact fit plastic gas tanks. Just scan and old one to get the exact specs.
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1978 GMC Royal
1968 Chevrolet C20 396 Camper Special
1969 Chevrolet C20 Camper Special
1985 Buick Electra Park Avenue
1992 Camaro 25th Anniversary Heretage Edition Black
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| Re: [GMCnet] 3 D Printing - Advanced Manufacturing [message #232412 is a reply to message #232407] |
Fri, 06 December 2013 07:00 |
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USAussie
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Tom,
Sixty Minutes - Australia is running a segment on these printers this weekend, the New South Wales Police Commissioner noted that
there is grave concern that people will "print" handguns. The preview even shows one that works!
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Phipps
MAKE magazine released for the season an excellent guide book to state of the art for hobbyist 3-D printers. For the $10 bucks a
good value.
Hobby machines are handicapped by small print area, but some are pushing the envelope. Printing is in plastic, PLA and ABS, but
work is being done in splintered metal.
I would like access to one, in a MakerSpace, but the odds are very high against one existing anywhere near my next location. I
visited a MakerSpace, one hae of a Man Cave.
Tom
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'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] 3 D Printing - Advanced Manufacturing [message #232414 is a reply to message #232382] |
Fri, 06 December 2013 07:10 |
jhbridges
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I odn't find it 'yikes' I find it encouraging. "Hey doc, run me up a new heart, thjis'n's getting worn.."
--johnny
From: Steve Weinstock <steve.weinstock@cox.net>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Friday, December 6, 2013 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 3 D Printing - Advanced Manufacturing
Here's something to think about...perhaps a bit scary.
There is research underway to develop a media for 3D printing that is actually live cells... The desired end result is "printing" a body part.
Yikes.
Steve W
1973 23'
Southern California
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| Re: [GMCnet] 3 D Printing - Advanced Manufacturing [message #232415 is a reply to message #232407] |
Fri, 06 December 2013 07:22 |
jhbridges
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You said you were movingto God's Country (AL). Whereabouts?
--johnny
From: Thomas Phipps <tph1pp5@yahoo.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Friday, December 6, 2013 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 3 D Printing - Advanced Manufacturing
MAKE magazine released for the season an excellent guide book to state of the art for hobbyist 3-D printers. For the $10 bucks a good value.
Hobby machines are handicapped by small print area, but some are pushing the envelope. Printing is in plastic, PLA and ABS, but work is being done in splintered metal.
I would like access to one, in a MakerSpace, but the odds are very high against one existing anywhere near my next location. I visited a MakerSpace, one hae of a Man Cave.
Tom, MS II, on the move again, perhaps for the last time.
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1975 GMC Avion, under forever re-construction
Vicksburg, MS. 3.7 miles from I-20
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| Re: 3 D Printing - Advanced Manufacturing [message #232422 is a reply to message #232368] |
Fri, 06 December 2013 09:02 |
JohnL455
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My dentist has had a reverse version of this for years. Blank material is milled away to create a new crown. First they create a 3D pic of the old tooth if they want to recreate it the same. That gives them all but the mating attaching surface. Then they drill away the amount of the old tooth deamed necessary and take a picture to create the mirror image mating surface. They look at the model in 3D rotations on the screen and do some hand shaping and smoothing with the mouse. They select blank material in your color and hit PRINT. In 15 mins they come out with your new crown. They do a dry fit and then attach with the UV activated cement. No temporaries or multiple visits. I would think this is more like creating a Chip Foose wheel than a depositing printer, the advantage being the material being used is the real thing, not deposited plastic.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] 3 D Printing - Advanced Manufacturing [message #232423 is a reply to message #232407] |
Fri, 06 December 2013 09:03 |
Jake Reed
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Thomas,
You do have access to one if you can supply a 3d model. Just go to
http://www.redeyeondemand.com/. You can upload a model and pick material,
accuracy and finish. They will give you an instant quote. If you order it
they will print it and ship it to you.
Jake
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Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 4:38 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 3 D Printing - Advanced Manufacturing
MAKE magazine released for the season an excellent guide book to state of
the art for hobbyist 3-D printers. For the $10 bucks a good value.
Hobby machines are handicapped by small print area, but some are pushing the
envelope. Printing is in plastic, PLA and ABS, but work is being done in
splintered metal.
I would like access to one, in a MakerSpace, but the odds are very high
against one existing anywhere near my next location. I visited a
MakerSpace, one hae of a Man Cave.
Tom, MS II, on the move again, perhaps for the last time.
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1975 GMC Avion, under forever re-construction Vicksburg, MS. 3.7 miles from
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| Re: [GMCnet] 3 D Printing - Advanced Manufacturing [message #232520 is a reply to message #232427] |
Fri, 06 December 2013 22:49 |
Ronald Pottol
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You can print a functioning 1911 .45 pistol (OK, it needed a little manual
touch up with a file), and it's expensive, really, cost is the only limit
right now, though there are limits as to what materials work (no carbon
fiber composites yet).
So, can you make it work for your application? Try it and see.
Plato seems wrong to me today.
On Dec 6, 2013 7:45 AM, "Matt Colie" <matt7323tze@gmail.com> wrote:
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> John,
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> Actually laser sintering system have been around a while. They are very
> expensive to run and fifteen years ago, I was always able to beat the cost
> with a billet part. I have expected the cost to come down sooner, but I
> guess the demand just is not there. I had one supplier that could work in
> aluminum. The process was proprietary (very proprietary). It was in a
> large portion of his building that few employees even had access to.
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> Matt
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> I am often amused by those who attribute a quote to the character or
> performer and not the actual author.
> '73 Glacier 23 With 4 Rear Brakes that pull as they should
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