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[GMCnet] power steering and air conditioner belt replacement [message #230810] Fri, 22 November 2013 17:25 Go to next message
Robin Hood is currently offline  Robin Hood   United States
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I have stared at these accessories from above and from below. I can not see
how the PS and AC are loosened so that the new belt can be snugged down.

The weather is about to get bad, down in the 50s and wet for the rest of
next week (yes, to a warmblooded southern boy like me, I start getting
hypothermic at those temps).

From below there's no obvious bolts in a sliding channel. From above,
there's too much CRAP in the way. Belts, hoses, other parts.

I tried reading the Maintenance Manual, but it's not helpful. It didn't
tell me what to do to loosen these things, no doubt expecting a bit more
mechanical literacy on my part.

I'll take some video tomorrow and show y'all what I'm dealing with... it's
too dark now and I'm tired and frustrated.

--
Robin Hood
Jackson, MS
2013 Subaru Outback "Top Flight"
1968 Pontiac Catalina "The Cheshire Cat"
1978 GMC Royale motorhome "Pinto Bean"
1977 GMC Palm Beach motorhome "Barn Queen"
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Re: [GMCnet] power steering and air conditioner belt replacement [message #230811 is a reply to message #230810] Fri, 22 November 2013 17:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
James Hupy is currently offline  James Hupy   United States
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Robin, If your belts are worn out, use a pair of rose pruners and cut them.
Much faster, less grief, and there is no chance that you will try to use
them again. On the A/C pump, there are three or more fasteners that must be
loosened to adjust it. 1 LONG bolt that is threaded into the mounting
bracket on the head. 1 bolt and nut on the back end of the compressor kinda
mirrored to the long bolt. The 3rd bolt is best reached from underneath the
coach. This one goes through the front mounting plate on the compressor and
is the one with the curved slot for adjustment. Some compressors also are
fitted with a 4th bolt on the rear of the compressor in about the 5 o'clock
position. It bolts a tubular bracket to the header bolt on the passenger
side rear. When they are all sufficiently loose, the compressor will move
in an arc that will tighten the belt.
There is one hidden bolt on the power steering pump that is accessed
through a hole in the pulley. Kinda hard to see, but it is there. The other
2 bolts are in plain sight.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC Royale 403
On Nov 22, 2013 3:25 PM, "Robin Hood" <loxley@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have stared at these accessories from above and from below. I can not see
> how the PS and AC are loosened so that the new belt can be snugged down.
>
> The weather is about to get bad, down in the 50s and wet for the rest of
> next week (yes, to a warmblooded southern boy like me, I start getting
> hypothermic at those temps).
>
> From below there's no obvious bolts in a sliding channel. From above,
> there's too much CRAP in the way. Belts, hoses, other parts.
>
> I tried reading the Maintenance Manual, but it's not helpful. It didn't
> tell me what to do to loosen these things, no doubt expecting a bit more
> mechanical literacy on my part.
>
> I'll take some video tomorrow and show y'all what I'm dealing with... it's
> too dark now and I'm tired and frustrated.
>
> --
> Robin Hood
> Jackson, MS
> 2013 Subaru Outback "Top Flight"
> 1968 Pontiac Catalina "The Cheshire Cat"
> 1978 GMC Royale motorhome "Pinto Bean"
> 1977 GMC Palm Beach motorhome "Barn Queen"
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Re: [GMCnet] power steering and air conditioner belt replacement [message #230814 is a reply to message #230810] Fri, 22 November 2013 18:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ljdavick is currently offline  ljdavick   United States
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Robin,

Does your Palm Beach have a 403 or a 455? I've uploaded images from the '78 manual for a 403 and I'll work on the 455

< http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5945-miscellaneous-stuff.html >

Larry Davick
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Re: [GMCnet] power steering and air conditioner belt replacement [message #230816 is a reply to message #230810] Fri, 22 November 2013 18:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Robin Hood wrote on Fri, 22 November 2013 16:25

I have stared at these accessories from above and from below. I can not see
how the PS and AC are loosened so that the new belt can be snugged down.

The weather is about to get bad, down in the 50s and wet for the rest of
next week (yes, to a warmblooded southern boy like me, I start getting
hypothermic at those temps).

From below there's no obvious bolts in a sliding channel. From above,
there's too much CRAP in the way. Belts, hoses, other parts.

I tried reading the Maintenance Manual, but it's not helpful. It didn't
tell me what to do to loosen these things, no doubt expecting a bit more
mechanical literacy on my part.

I'll take some video tomorrow and show y'all what I'm dealing with... it's
too dark now and I'm tired and frustrated.

--
Robin Hood
Jackson, MS
2013 Subaru Outback "Top Flight"
1968 Pontiac Catalina "The Cheshire Cat"
1978 GMC Royale motorhome "Pinto Bean"
1977 GMC Palm Beach motorhome "Barn Queen"
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Within the GM family, Olds engines were notorious for complicated and non-intuitive accessory mountings.


Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
Re: [GMCnet] power steering and air conditioner belt replacement [message #230817 is a reply to message #230810] Fri, 22 November 2013 18:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JohnL455 is currently offline  JohnL455   United States
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Robin, like Jim H stated. My AC has the 3. Rear from hatch and front from hatch and below. About 1 turn past contact should be free. I don't cut the old belts at first as yanking on them will help move the driven device. When tightening the PS get it as tight as you can and then tighten the alt. A giant Channelock handle was a good tool to wedge the AC from topside using the hatch surround to wedge against. Then go below with ratchet and snug the slider one and then the pivots. It's a fast job once you learn it. I don't have the screw tensioners yet.

John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
Re: [GMCnet] power steering and air conditioner belt replacement [message #230819 is a reply to message #230814] Fri, 22 November 2013 18:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Robin Hood is currently offline  Robin Hood   United States
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It's a 403. Thank you Larry.

*looks at scans*

Where is that in the X7725 manual??? THat's exactly what I need, I think!


On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 6:18 PM, Larry Davick <ljdavick@comcast.net> wrote:

> Robin,
>
> Does your Palm Beach have a 403 or a 455? I've uploaded images from the
> '78 manual for a 403 and I'll work on the 455
>
> < http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5945-miscellaneous-stuff.html >
>
> Larry Davick
> Fremont, California
> A Mystery Machine
> '76 (ish) Palm Beach
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Jackson, MS
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1968 Pontiac Catalina "The Cheshire Cat"
1978 GMC Royale motorhome "Pinto Bean"
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Re: [GMCnet] power steering and air conditioner belt replacement [message #230820 is a reply to message #230816] Fri, 22 November 2013 18:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Robin Hood is currently offline  Robin Hood   United States
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I speak late 60s Pontiac. :) My Catalina's 455 is EASY to work on.


On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Bob de Kruyff <NEXT2POOL@aol.com> wrote:

>
>
> Robin Hood wrote on Fri, 22 November 2013 16:25
> > I have stared at these accessories from above and from below. I can not
> see
> > how the PS and AC are loosened so that the new belt can be snugged down.
> >
> > The weather is about to get bad, down in the 50s and wet for the rest of
> > next week (yes, to a warmblooded southern boy like me, I start getting
> > hypothermic at those temps).
> >
> > From below there's no obvious bolts in a sliding channel. From above,
> > there's too much CRAP in the way. Belts, hoses, other parts.
> >
> > I tried reading the Maintenance Manual, but it's not helpful. It didn't
> > tell me what to do to loosen these things, no doubt expecting a bit more
> > mechanical literacy on my part.
> >
> > I'll take some video tomorrow and show y'all what I'm dealing with...
> it's
> > too dark now and I'm tired and frustrated.
> >
> > --
> > Robin Hood
> > Jackson, MS
> > 2013 Subaru Outback "Top Flight"
> > 1968 Pontiac Catalina "The Cheshire Cat"
> > 1978 GMC Royale motorhome "Pinto Bean"
> > 1977 GMC Palm Beach motorhome "Barn Queen"
> > _______________________________________________
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> Within the GM family, Olds engines were notorious for complicated and
> non-intuitive accessory mountings.
> --
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> 78 Eleganza
> Chandler, AZ
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Re: [GMCnet] power steering and air conditioner belt replacement [message #230821 is a reply to message #230820] Fri, 22 November 2013 18:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Often the power steering pump has a bolt that is easily accessed through a hole in the pulley once you line things up properly. As someone else posted, cut the old belt off. Then since the pulley turns freely with the belt gone, line one of the holes in the pulley up with the bolt and loosen it. Move the pump in, install the belt, make sure the bolt and hole are lined up, and pry against the body of the pump with a board to snug it up. Then tighten the bolt.

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Re: [GMCnet] power steering and air conditioner belt replacement [message #230824 is a reply to message #230810] Fri, 22 November 2013 18:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Robin
PM me with a photo
I'll talk you through it.
Call me
I'll be here tomorrow all day
Up at after 5:30 AM
619-445-9777
Yes same here 50 is cold
It's 52 with rain and hail here
Howard

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> On Nov 22, 2013, at 16:28, Bob de Kruyff <NEXT2POOL@AOL.COM> wrote:
>
>
>
> Robin Hood wrote on Fri, 22 November 2013 16:25
>> I have stared at these accessories from above and from below. I can not see
>> how the PS and AC are loosened so that the new belt can be snugged down.
>>
>> The weather is about to get bad, down in the 50s and wet for the rest of
>> next week (yes, to a warmblooded southern boy like me, I start getting
>> hypothermic at those temps).
>>
>> From below there's no obvious bolts in a sliding channel. From above,
>> there's too much CRAP in the way. Belts, hoses, other parts.
>>
>> I tried reading the Maintenance Manual, but it's not helpful. It didn't
>> tell me what to do to loosen these things, no doubt expecting a bit more
>> mechanical literacy on my part.
>>
>> I'll take some video tomorrow and show y'all what I'm dealing with... it's
>> too dark now and I'm tired and frustrated.
>>
>> --
>> Robin Hood
>> Jackson, MS
>> 2013 Subaru Outback "Top Flight"
>> 1968 Pontiac Catalina "The Cheshire Cat"
>> 1978 GMC Royale motorhome "Pinto Bean"
>> 1977 GMC Palm Beach motorhome "Barn Queen"
>> _______________________________________________
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> Within the GM family, Olds engines were notorious for complicated and non-intuitive accessory mountings.
> --
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> Chandler, AZ
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Re: [GMCnet] power steering and air conditioner belt replacement [message #230826 is a reply to message #230810] Fri, 22 November 2013 19:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
hnielsen2 is currently offline  hnielsen2   United States
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Yes that's how it's done.
Howard

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> On Nov 22, 2013, at 16:39, John R. Lebetski <gransport@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Robin, like Jim H stated. My AC has the 3. Rear from hatch and front from hatch and below. About 1 turn past contact should be free. I don't cut the old belts at first as yanking on them will help move the driven device. When tightening the PS get it as tight as you can and then tighten the alt. A giant Channelock handle was a good tool to wedge the AC from topside using the hatch surround to wedge against. Then go below with ratchet and snug the slider one and then the pivots. It's a fast job once you learn it. I don't have the screw tensioners yet.
> --
> John Lebetski
> Chicago, IL
> 77 Eleganza II
> Source America First
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Re: [GMCnet] power steering and air conditioner belt replacement [message #230827 is a reply to message #230824] Fri, 22 November 2013 19:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I might hit you up, Howard. :) I get off work tomorrow afternoon around 230
or therebout. I'll have the afternoon and all day Sunday to play with this.


On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Howard Nielsen <hnielsen2@cox.net> wrote:

> Robin
> PM me with a photo
> I'll talk you through it.
> Call me
> I'll be here tomorrow all day
> Up at after 5:30 AM
> 619-445-9777
> Yes same here 50 is cold
> It's 52 with rain and hail here
> Howard
>
> All is well with my Lord
>
>
>
> > On Nov 22, 2013, at 16:28, Bob de Kruyff <NEXT2POOL@AOL.COM> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Robin Hood wrote on Fri, 22 November 2013 16:25
> >> I have stared at these accessories from above and from below. I can not
> see
> >> how the PS and AC are loosened so that the new belt can be snugged down.
> >>
> >> The weather is about to get bad, down in the 50s and wet for the rest of
> >> next week (yes, to a warmblooded southern boy like me, I start getting
> >> hypothermic at those temps).
> >>
> >> From below there's no obvious bolts in a sliding channel. From above,
> >> there's too much CRAP in the way. Belts, hoses, other parts.
> >>
> >> I tried reading the Maintenance Manual, but it's not helpful. It didn't
> >> tell me what to do to loosen these things, no doubt expecting a bit more
> >> mechanical literacy on my part.
> >>
> >> I'll take some video tomorrow and show y'all what I'm dealing with...
> it's
> >> too dark now and I'm tired and frustrated.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Robin Hood
> >> Jackson, MS
> >> 2013 Subaru Outback "Top Flight"
> >> 1968 Pontiac Catalina "The Cheshire Cat"
> >> 1978 GMC Royale motorhome "Pinto Bean"
> >> 1977 GMC Palm Beach motorhome "Barn Queen"
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >
> > Within the GM family, Olds engines were notorious for complicated and
> non-intuitive accessory mountings.
> > --
> > Bob de Kruyff
> > 78 Eleganza
> > Chandler, AZ
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Re: [GMCnet] power steering and air conditioner belt replacement [message #230834 is a reply to message #230819] Fri, 22 November 2013 19:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've added page numbers to the descriptions.
<http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5945-miscellaneous-stuff.html>

Larry Davick
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Re: [GMCnet] power steering and air conditioner belt replacement [message #230836 is a reply to message #230810] Fri, 22 November 2013 19:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Larry
Nice diagrams
Good Show
Howard


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> On Nov 22, 2013, at 17:23, Larry Davick <ljdavick@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I've added page numbers to the descriptions.
> <http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5945-miscellaneous-stuff.html>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] power steering and air conditioner belt replacement [message #230838 is a reply to message #230810] Fri, 22 November 2013 19:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
hnielsen2 is currently offline  hnielsen2   United States
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Robin
Sunday church back home noon PST
Do you Skype or FaceTime ?
Howard
You can find me at hnielsen2@cox.net on Skype or Face Time.

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> On Nov 22, 2013, at 17:02, Robin Hood <loxley@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I might hit you up, Howard. :) I get off work tomorrow afternoon around 230
> or therebout. I'll have the afternoon and all day Sunday to play with this.
>
>
>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Howard Nielsen <hnielsen2@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> Robin
>> PM me with a photo
>> I'll talk you through it.
>> Call me
>> I'll be here tomorrow all day
>> Up at after 5:30 AM
>> 619-445-9777
>> Yes same here 50 is cold
>> It's 52 with rain and hail here
>> Howard
>>
>> All is well with my Lord
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 22, 2013, at 16:28, Bob de Kruyff <NEXT2POOL@AOL.COM> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Robin Hood wrote on Fri, 22 November 2013 16:25
>>>> I have stared at these accessories from above and from below. I can not
>> see
>>>> how the PS and AC are loosened so that the new belt can be snugged down.
>>>>
>>>> The weather is about to get bad, down in the 50s and wet for the rest of
>>>> next week (yes, to a warmblooded southern boy like me, I start getting
>>>> hypothermic at those temps).
>>>>
>>>> From below there's no obvious bolts in a sliding channel. From above,
>>>> there's too much CRAP in the way. Belts, hoses, other parts.
>>>>
>>>> I tried reading the Maintenance Manual, but it's not helpful. It didn't
>>>> tell me what to do to loosen these things, no doubt expecting a bit more
>>>> mechanical literacy on my part.
>>>>
>>>> I'll take some video tomorrow and show y'all what I'm dealing with...
>> it's
>>>> too dark now and I'm tired and frustrated.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Robin Hood
>>>> Jackson, MS
>>>> 2013 Subaru Outback "Top Flight"
>>>> 1968 Pontiac Catalina "The Cheshire Cat"
>>>> 1978 GMC Royale motorhome "Pinto Bean"
>>>> 1977 GMC Palm Beach motorhome "Barn Queen"
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> GMCnet mailing list
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>>>
>>> Within the GM family, Olds engines were notorious for complicated and
>> non-intuitive accessory mountings.
>>> --
>>> Bob de Kruyff
>>> 78 Eleganza
>>> Chandler, AZ
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Re: [GMCnet] power steering and air conditioner belt replacement [message #230840 is a reply to message #230838] Fri, 22 November 2013 20:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Robin Hood is currently offline  Robin Hood   United States
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I can prolly Facetime from my iphone if I need. Convenient form factor for
poking around in the engine bay. :)


On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Howard Nielsen <hnielsen2@cox.net> wrote:

> Robin
> Sunday church back home noon PST
> Do you Skype or FaceTime ?
> Howard
> You can find me at hnielsen2@cox.net on Skype or Face Time.
>
> All is well with my Lord
>
>
>
> > On Nov 22, 2013, at 17:02, Robin Hood <loxley@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I might hit you up, Howard. :) I get off work tomorrow afternoon around
> 230
> > or therebout. I'll have the afternoon and all day Sunday to play with
> this.
> >
> >
> >> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Howard Nielsen <hnielsen2@cox.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Robin
> >> PM me with a photo
> >> I'll talk you through it.
> >> Call me
> >> I'll be here tomorrow all day
> >> Up at after 5:30 AM
> >> 619-445-9777
> >> Yes same here 50 is cold
> >> It's 52 with rain and hail here
> >> Howard
> >>
> >> All is well with my Lord
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Nov 22, 2013, at 16:28, Bob de Kruyff <NEXT2POOL@AOL.COM> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Robin Hood wrote on Fri, 22 November 2013 16:25
> >>>> I have stared at these accessories from above and from below. I can
> not
> >> see
> >>>> how the PS and AC are loosened so that the new belt can be snugged
> down.
> >>>>
> >>>> The weather is about to get bad, down in the 50s and wet for the rest
> of
> >>>> next week (yes, to a warmblooded southern boy like me, I start getting
> >>>> hypothermic at those temps).
> >>>>
> >>>> From below there's no obvious bolts in a sliding channel. From above,
> >>>> there's too much CRAP in the way. Belts, hoses, other parts.
> >>>>
> >>>> I tried reading the Maintenance Manual, but it's not helpful. It
> didn't
> >>>> tell me what to do to loosen these things, no doubt expecting a bit
> more
> >>>> mechanical literacy on my part.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'll take some video tomorrow and show y'all what I'm dealing with...
> >> it's
> >>>> too dark now and I'm tired and frustrated.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Robin Hood
> >>>> Jackson, MS
> >>>> 2013 Subaru Outback "Top Flight"
> >>>> 1968 Pontiac Catalina "The Cheshire Cat"
> >>>> 1978 GMC Royale motorhome "Pinto Bean"
> >>>> 1977 GMC Palm Beach motorhome "Barn Queen"
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Re: [GMCnet] power steering and air conditioner belt replacement [message #230846 is a reply to message #230810] Fri, 22 November 2013 20:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Robin,

MM X-7525 Pages 6K-9 through 6K-11 have instructions and line drawings showing all the bolts that are used to attach and adjust the
power steering pump, alternator, and A/C compressor.

MM X-7725 Pages 6K-3 through 6K-6 have more instructions and line drawings showing all the bolts that are used to attach and adjust
the power steering pump, alternator, and A/C compressor.

Sorry to be blunt, if you can't figger it out from those instructions and line drawings I suggest you contact your mobile mechanic
and have him come by and show you how to do it.

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder


-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Robin Hood
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 5:25 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: [GMCnet] power steering and air conditioner belt replacement

I have stared at these accessories from above and from below. I can not see
how the PS and AC are loosened so that the new belt can be snugged down.

The weather is about to get bad, down in the 50s and wet for the rest of
next week (yes, to a warmblooded southern boy like me, I start getting
hypothermic at those temps).

From below there's no obvious bolts in a sliding channel. From above,
there's too much CRAP in the way. Belts, hoses, other parts.

I tried reading the Maintenance Manual, but it's not helpful. It didn't
tell me what to do to loosen these things, no doubt expecting a bit more
mechanical literacy on my part.

I'll take some video tomorrow and show y'all what I'm dealing with... it's
too dark now and I'm tired and frustrated.

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Jackson, MS
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1968 Pontiac Catalina "The Cheshire Cat"
1978 GMC Royale motorhome "Pinto Bean"
1977 GMC Palm Beach motorhome "Barn Queen"
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Re: [GMCnet] power steering and air conditioner belt replacement [message #230865 is a reply to message #230826] Sat, 23 November 2013 03:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Doesn't the Air Conditioning Compressor or the PS Pump have a 1/2" square hole that a ratchet or breaker bar can insert into to aid in tensioning? I remember this from somewhere…

Larry Davick

> On Nov 22, 2013, at 5:01 PM, Howard Nielsen <hnielsen2@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Yes that's how it's done.
> Howard
>
> All is well with my Lord
>
>
>
>> On Nov 22, 2013, at 16:39, John R. Lebetski <gransport@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Robin, like Jim H stated. My AC has the 3. Rear from hatch and front from hatch and below. About 1 turn past contact should be free. I don't cut the old belts at first as yanking on them will help move the driven device. When tightening the PS get it as tight as you can and then tighten the alt. A giant Channelock handle was a good tool to wedge the AC from topside using the hatch surround to wedge against. Then go below with ratchet and snug the slider one and then the pivots. It's a fast job once you learn it. I don't have the screw tensioners yet.
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Re: [GMCnet] power steering and air conditioner belt replacement [message #230874 is a reply to message #230865] Sat, 23 November 2013 06:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Robin Hood is currently offline  Robin Hood   United States
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Rob is right. With the drawings that Larry provided, that should be all I
need. If I can't get it done now that I know how this thing is put
together, i should just hang it up.

Larry, I'd be keenly interested in such a breaker bar mounting point to
tension things! That sounds super handy!

Robin


On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 3:10 AM, Larry Davick <ljdavick@comcast.net> wrote:

> Doesn't the Air Conditioning Compressor or the PS Pump have a 1/2" square
> hole that a ratchet or breaker bar can insert into to aid in tensioning? I
> remember this from somewhere…
>
> Larry Davick
>
> > On Nov 22, 2013, at 5:01 PM, Howard Nielsen <hnielsen2@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> > Yes that's how it's done.
> > Howard
> >
> > All is well with my Lord
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Nov 22, 2013, at 16:39, John R. Lebetski <gransport@aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Robin, like Jim H stated. My AC has the 3. Rear from hatch and front
> from hatch and below. About 1 turn past contact should be free. I don't cut
> the old belts at first as yanking on them will help move the driven device.
> When tightening the PS get it as tight as you can and then tighten the alt.
> A giant Channelock handle was a good tool to wedge the AC from topside
> using the hatch surround to wedge against. Then go below with ratchet and
> snug the slider one and then the pivots. It's a fast job once you learn it.
> I don't have the screw tensioners yet.
> >> --
> >> John Lebetski
> >> Chicago, IL
> >> 77 Eleganza II
> >> Source America First
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Re: [GMCnet] power steering and air conditioner belt replacement [message #230881 is a reply to message #230874] Sat, 23 November 2013 07:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Robin Hood wrote on Sat, 23 November 2013 06:54

Rob is right. With the drawings that Larry provided, that should be all I
need. If I can't get it done now that I know how this thing is put
together, i should just hang it up.

Larry, I'd be keenly interested in such a breaker bar mounting point to
tension things! That sounds super handy!

Robin



Make sure that you do NOT pry against the sheet metal tank of the power steering pump. Good luck finding another one if you do.


Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
Re: [GMCnet] power steering and air conditioner belt replacement [message #230884 is a reply to message #230881] Sat, 23 November 2013 07:57 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Robin Hood is currently offline  Robin Hood   United States
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Yeah, I got that when y'all were giving me advice how to get tension on the
alternator. "Thou shalt not pry upon the PS pump."

On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Ken Burton <n9cv@comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
> Make sure that you do NOT pry against the sheet metal tank of the power
> steering pump. Good luck finding another one if you do.
> --
> Ken Burton - N9KB
> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
>
>


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