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| [GMCnet] OT: Chainsaws and clearing land [message #230518] |
Wed, 20 November 2013 17:11  |
Robin Hood
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Sorry for the off topicness, but y'all represent over a thousand years of
collective life experience. Depending on just how big the GMCNet is, it
might be a few tens of millennia. Now that I've made y'all feel old, here
is my question.
I have 4.6 acres of "volunteer pine." These are loblolly pine, 70 feet high
or therebouts, maybe 8 to 10 inches across at breast height. Also, a bunch
of trashwood like oak and hickory and the like.
It's too small a tract for a logger or pulpwood operation. I can't even
GIVE the trees away.
But I can't sell the land when it's full of trees. You can't even see what
you're buying. If I clear it, it'll make excellent mobile home sites.
But nobody will come clear it.
If I can get the trees gone, I can pay a guy to use one of THESE
http://youtu.be/dpgPsQIq7_w to clear my property. It's called a mulcher and
it looks like a ton of fun. :)
SInce nobody will take my trees, I reckon I may as well cut them down
myself.
Dana is convinced that I will cut my own damn legs off, or lose fingers, or
something. Yeah, sure a chainsaw is dangerous, but with the proper care and
technique, it ought to minimize the hazard.
How dangerous, really, would logging off my own property be with a
chainsaw? It would make the land much more valuable, and I'm trying to sell
it. What can I say to convince my wife that I won't make a widow out of her?
ObGMC Content: WIth the Palm Beach fixed up, I would have something to work
out of on the property! :)
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Robin Hood
Jackson, MS
2013 Subaru Outback "Top Flight"
1968 Pontiac Catalina "The Cheshire Cat"
1978 GMC Royale motorhome "Pinto Bean"
1977 GMC Palm Beach motorhome "Barn Queen"
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| Re: [GMCnet] OT: Chainsaws and clearing land [message #230520 is a reply to message #230518] |
Wed, 20 November 2013 17:27  |
rcjordan
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I've dropped somewhere north of 200 trees 40' and up. FEMA hauled away ten 18- wheeler.loads and that was just trunks, no limbs. And that was just a start. The safest way is to put a small frontend loader against them and push while you cut. In lieu of that, use a comealong and chain. Trust me, Robin, even after 200 trees, a fair number of them will go rogue on you. Ever see a frontend loader bounce? They will if you hit them hard enough.
Buy 2 Stihl chainsaws, 'cause even if you buy the best these machines are contrary SOBs.
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| Re: [GMCnet] OT: Chainsaws and clearing land [message #230521 is a reply to message #230518] |
Wed, 20 November 2013 17:28 |
James Hupy
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Robin, I grew up in a farming/logging community in Washington State. Lived
in a mill town where most male head of households used chain saws. Saw my
share of horrible results of human/chain saw interaction. Grew up with
them, used them from about age 10 until present. Still have two of them.
One big, one small. Probably not the best power tool to self educate
yourself with. PROPERLY USED by a knowledgeble operator, they are a
reasonably safe power tool. Do you fit that profile? just sayin'
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC Royale 403
On Nov 20, 2013 3:12 PM, "Robin Hood" <loxley@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry for the off topicness, but y'all represent over a thousand years of
> collective life experience. Depending on just how big the GMCNet is, it
> might be a few tens of millennia. Now that I've made y'all feel old, here
> is my question.
>
> I have 4.6 acres of "volunteer pine." These are loblolly pine, 70 feet high
> or therebouts, maybe 8 to 10 inches across at breast height. Also, a bunch
> of trashwood like oak and hickory and the like.
>
> It's too small a tract for a logger or pulpwood operation. I can't even
> GIVE the trees away.
>
> But I can't sell the land when it's full of trees. You can't even see what
> you're buying. If I clear it, it'll make excellent mobile home sites.
>
> But nobody will come clear it.
>
> If I can get the trees gone, I can pay a guy to use one of THESE
> http://youtu.be/dpgPsQIq7_w to clear my property. It's called a mulcher
> and
> it looks like a ton of fun. :)
>
> SInce nobody will take my trees, I reckon I may as well cut them down
> myself.
>
> Dana is convinced that I will cut my own damn legs off, or lose fingers, or
> something. Yeah, sure a chainsaw is dangerous, but with the proper care and
> technique, it ought to minimize the hazard.
>
> How dangerous, really, would logging off my own property be with a
> chainsaw? It would make the land much more valuable, and I'm trying to sell
> it. What can I say to convince my wife that I won't make a widow out of
> her?
>
> ObGMC Content: WIth the Palm Beach fixed up, I would have something to work
> out of on the property! :)
>
> --
> Robin Hood
> Jackson, MS
> 2013 Subaru Outback "Top Flight"
> 1968 Pontiac Catalina "The Cheshire Cat"
> 1978 GMC Royale motorhome "Pinto Bean"
> 1977 GMC Palm Beach motorhome "Barn Queen"
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| Re: [GMCnet] OT: Chainsaws and clearing land [message #230523 is a reply to message #230518] |
Wed, 20 November 2013 17:40 |
kerry pinkerton
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Robin, I put myself through college cutting, splitting, and selling firewood. I've owned at least one continually since I was 16 and still use them fairly often.
You have no idea how much work you are in for if you think you're going to cut down 4.6 acres of anything. AND, the price for mulching everything away is high dollar also. It'd be much cheaper to hire someone with a bulldozer, have them push it into piles, and burn it. That would get rid of the stumps also although pine stumps are very difficult to remove because of the tap root. My Dad and I planted 106,000 loblolly pines.
Also, it's much easier to bulldoze down standing trees than pushing out stumps. It's a leverage thing. The higher up you can get the dozer blade, the easier the stump is to push over. We had a bulldozer too.
If you want to clear for mobile homes or whatever, you'd be better off having the bulldozer clear parking pads and play areas and leave trees where you can. No one wants to live on a treeless spot.
Yep, chainsaws are dangerous. You can learn to fell trees safely but I'd STRONGLY, STRONGLY recommend you get someone to spend a day with you teaching you how to cut down a tree and how to get it to fall where you want it and how to look for deadwood that will fall out of a tree and kill you. I was always more concerned about deadwood (widowmakers) than worrying about the saw or the tree popping back.
The best scenario is to sell the land as it is and let the new owner do with it what they will. You'll be dollars ahead and save yourself much much work, sweat, and tears. Btw, you're probably going to discover several yellow jacket nests in a southern pine forest. Someday, get me to tell you the story of pushing a yellow jacket nest up with the bulldozer with a big rollcage.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: [GMCnet] OT: Chainsaws and clearing land [message #230524 is a reply to message #230518] |
Wed, 20 November 2013 17:39 |
emerystora
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Robin
It is just not worth the risk for you to attempt to do this yourself. Especially if you haven't used a chainsaw before.
Have you ever heard of Freecycle? These are computer sites in various cities around the country where one can post when you have things to give away or if you are looking for something. It cannot be sold. It must be given freely.
I checked and there is one in Jackson and in Jackson country.
You might post that you have free firewood for anyone that wants to come over and cut their own.
I'll bet you will have some takers.
Go to this site to set up an account so you can post.
http://www.freecycle.org/group/US/Mississippi
I have given away many things and I have gotten a couple of things as well.
Emery Stora
On Nov 20, 2013, at 4:11 PM, Robin Hood <loxley@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry for the off topicness, but y'all represent over a thousand years of
> collective life experience. Depending on just how big the GMCNet is, it
> might be a few tens of millennia. Now that I've made y'all feel old, here
> is my question.
>
> I have 4.6 acres of "volunteer pine." These are loblolly pine, 70 feet high
> or therebouts, maybe 8 to 10 inches across at breast height. Also, a bunch
> of trashwood like oak and hickory and the like.
>
> It's too small a tract for a logger or pulpwood operation. I can't even
> GIVE the trees away.
>
> But I can't sell the land when it's full of trees. You can't even see what
> you're buying. If I clear it, it'll make excellent mobile home sites.
>
> But nobody will come clear it.
>
> If I can get the trees gone, I can pay a guy to use one of THESE
> http://youtu.be/dpgPsQIq7_w to clear my property. It's called a mulcher and
> it looks like a ton of fun. :)
>
> SInce nobody will take my trees, I reckon I may as well cut them down
> myself.
>
> Dana is convinced that I will cut my own damn legs off, or lose fingers, or
> something. Yeah, sure a chainsaw is dangerous, but with the proper care and
> technique, it ought to minimize the hazard.
>
> How dangerous, really, would logging off my own property be with a
> chainsaw? It would make the land much more valuable, and I'm trying to sell
> it. What can I say to convince my wife that I won't make a widow out of her?
>
> ObGMC Content: WIth the Palm Beach fixed up, I would have something to work
> out of on the property! :)
>
> --
> Robin Hood
> Jackson, MS
> 2013 Subaru Outback "Top Flight"
> 1968 Pontiac Catalina "The Cheshire Cat"
> 1978 GMC Royale motorhome "Pinto Bean"
> 1977 GMC Palm Beach motorhome "Barn Queen"
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| Re: [GMCnet] OT: Chainsaws and clearing land [message #230525 is a reply to message #230518] |
Wed, 20 November 2013 17:40 |
Kingsley Coach
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Robin
Working with a power saw is satisfying !
That's where it ends however !!
It is hard, dirty work and dangerous is an understatement. The real
problem with a chain saw is the possibility of 'kick back' . This is where
the saw kicks or bounces back at you and usually hits you in the neck since
the average guy is quick enough to move his head, but not his body. A chain
saw to the neck is going to rip out the carotid artery, and you bleed to
death. Even the most experienced cutter has experienced a chain saw
'accident'.
Here in Nova Scotia forestry is a big business, and I know 2 experienced
guys who died from power saw accidents.
What else can I say to get you to abandon this plan? <g>
Mike in NS
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Robin Hood <loxley@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry for the off topicness, but y'all represent over a thousand years of
> collective life experience. Depending on just how big the GMCNet is, it
> might be a few tens of millennia. Now that I've made y'all feel old, here
> is my question.
>
> I have 4.6 acres of "volunteer pine." These are loblolly pine, 70 feet high
> or therebouts, maybe 8 to 10 inches across at breast height. Also, a bunch
> of trashwood like oak and hickory and the like.
>
> It's too small a tract for a logger or pulpwood operation. I can't even
> GIVE the trees away.
>
> But I can't sell the land when it's full of trees. You can't even see what
> you're buying. If I clear it, it'll make excellent mobile home sites.
>
> But nobody will come clear it.
>
> If I can get the trees gone, I can pay a guy to use one of THESE
> http://youtu.be/dpgPsQIq7_w to clear my property. It's called a mulcher
> and
> it looks like a ton of fun. :)
>
> SInce nobody will take my trees, I reckon I may as well cut them down
> myself.
>
> Dana is convinced that I will cut my own damn legs off, or lose fingers, or
> something. Yeah, sure a chainsaw is dangerous, but with the proper care and
> technique, it ought to minimize the hazard.
>
> How dangerous, really, would logging off my own property be with a
> chainsaw? It would make the land much more valuable, and I'm trying to sell
> it. What can I say to convince my wife that I won't make a widow out of
> her?
>
> ObGMC Content: WIth the Palm Beach fixed up, I would have something to work
> out of on the property! :)
>
> --
> Robin Hood
> Jackson, MS
> 2013 Subaru Outback "Top Flight"
> 1968 Pontiac Catalina "The Cheshire Cat"
> 1978 GMC Royale motorhome "Pinto Bean"
> 1977 GMC Palm Beach motorhome "Barn Queen"
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| Re: [GMCnet] OT: Chainsaws and clearing land [message #230526 is a reply to message #230518] |
Wed, 20 November 2013 17:46 |
Bob S.
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Robin, I have a son that is an Fire Fighter for the US Forest Service and they are trained in tree removal. This is a slow time of year for them and many of the seasonal employees get laid off. When my son was seasonal he was always looking for some work like this to earn some extra money. He actually still considers it "FUN" work.
If you still would like to do it your self, you can obtain some logging chaps that are made of Kevlar and will stop a chain saw cold. There is quite a bit of safety equipment for this type of activity that will help you minimize the risk of serious injury.
If you can convince your wife that this is a good idea, let me know how you accomplish it. My wife is always convinced that I will be the topic of some gruesome news story when I attempt any work like this. Good Luck
Bob and Pam Schilling
Rapid City, SD
"78 Royale
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| Re: [GMCnet] OT: Chainsaws and clearing land [message #230528 is a reply to message #230525] |
Wed, 20 November 2013 17:46 |
emerystora
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Robin
Forgot to say that when I was in college we had a close family friend with an apple orchard. He had used a chainsaw for years. He was trimming branches one day and didn't come back to the house at dinner time. His wife found him dead where the chainsaw had hit his neck and he bled to death.
Please don't try it yourself.
Emery Stora
On Nov 20, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Kingsley Coach <kingsleygmc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Robin
>
> Working with a power saw is satisfying !
>
> That's where it ends however !!
> It is hard, dirty work and dangerous is an understatement. The real
> problem with a chain saw is the possibility of 'kick back' . This is where
> the saw kicks or bounces back at you and usually hits you in the neck since
> the average guy is quick enough to move his head, but not his body. A chain
> saw to the neck is going to rip out the carotid artery, and you bleed to
> death. Even the most experienced cutter has experienced a chain saw
> 'accident'.
> Here in Nova Scotia forestry is a big business, and I know 2 experienced
> guys who died from power saw accidents.
>
> What else can I say to get you to abandon this plan? <g>
>
> Mike in NS
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Robin Hood <loxley@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry for the off topicness, but y'all represent over a thousand years of
>> collective life experience. Depending on just how big the GMCNet is, it
>> might be a few tens of millennia. Now that I've made y'all feel old, here
>> is my question.
>>
>> I have 4.6 acres of "volunteer pine." These are loblolly pine, 70 feet high
>> or therebouts, maybe 8 to 10 inches across at breast height. Also, a bunch
>> of trashwood like oak and hickory and the like.
>>
>> It's too small a tract for a logger or pulpwood operation. I can't even
>> GIVE the trees away.
>>
>> But I can't sell the land when it's full of trees. You can't even see what
>> you're buying. If I clear it, it'll make excellent mobile home sites.
>>
>> But nobody will come clear it.
>>
>> If I can get the trees gone, I can pay a guy to use one of THESE
>> http://youtu.be/dpgPsQIq7_w to clear my property. It's called a mulcher
>> and
>> it looks like a ton of fun. :)
>>
>> SInce nobody will take my trees, I reckon I may as well cut them down
>> myself.
>>
>> Dana is convinced that I will cut my own damn legs off, or lose fingers, or
>> something. Yeah, sure a chainsaw is dangerous, but with the proper care and
>> technique, it ought to minimize the hazard.
>>
>> How dangerous, really, would logging off my own property be with a
>> chainsaw? It would make the land much more valuable, and I'm trying to sell
>> it. What can I say to convince my wife that I won't make a widow out of
>> her?
>>
>> ObGMC Content: WIth the Palm Beach fixed up, I would have something to work
>> out of on the property! :)
>>
>> --
>> Robin Hood
>> Jackson, MS
>> 2013 Subaru Outback "Top Flight"
>> 1968 Pontiac Catalina "The Cheshire Cat"
>> 1978 GMC Royale motorhome "Pinto Bean"
>> 1977 GMC Palm Beach motorhome "Barn Queen"
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| Re: [GMCnet] OT: Chainsaws and clearing land [message #230531 is a reply to message #230518] |
Wed, 20 November 2013 17:55 |
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>fun
I think it's fun but it still scares the pee outta me.
>kickback
I had a friend who stopped a chain with his face. He survived, but. ...damn.
You asked for a thousand years of experience to weigh in, you're getting the answer pretty loud and clear, Robin.
And we haven't even talked about gum trees yet. Ugh.
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| Re: [GMCnet] OT: Chainsaws and clearing land [message #230535 is a reply to message #230531] |
Wed, 20 November 2013 18:09 |
Robin Hood
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Yeah. Ok, If one man call thee an ass pay him.no heed. If two men call
thee an ass feel thine ears. If ten men call thee an ass buy thyself a
saddle and blanket. Horrible horrible things await me if I decide to go
play Junior Lumberjack.
And there could be yellowjacket nests? Oh HELL naw!
So get a dozer guy to knock out several mobile home sites, leave the rest
of the trees standing, clean up the homesites and make sure they're
sufficiently level.
I worry about burning what's knocked down... that whole area is forest with
mobile homes dotted through it. While a forest fire would do wonderful
things for the ability to sell my property, I would hate for something to
get out of hand and burn up somebody's timber crop or their home.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 5:55 PM, RC Jordan <rc@rcjordan.com> wrote:
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>
> I had a friend who stopped a chain with his face. He survived, but.
> ...damn.
>
> You asked for a thousand years of experience to weigh in, you're getting
> the answer pretty loud and clear, Robin.
>
>
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Jackson, MS
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1968 Pontiac Catalina "The Cheshire Cat"
1978 GMC Royale motorhome "Pinto Bean"
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| Re: [GMCnet] OT: Chainsaws and clearing land [message #230538 is a reply to message #230518] |
Wed, 20 November 2013 18:22 |
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| Robin Hood wrote on Wed, 20 November 2013 17:11 |
Sorry for the off topicness, but y'all represent over a thousand years of collective life experience. Depending on just how big the GMCNet is, it might be a few tens of millennia. Now that I've made y'all feel old, here is my question.
I have 4.6 acres of "volunteer pine." These are loblolly pine, 70 feet high or therebouts, maybe 8 to 10 inches across at breast height. Also, a bunch of trashwood like oak and hickory and the like.
It's too small a tract for a logger or pulpwood operation. I can't even GIVE the trees away.
But I can't sell the land when it's full of trees. You can't even see what you're buying. If I clear it, it'll make excellent mobile home sites.
But nobody will come clear it.
If I can get the trees gone, I can pay a guy to use one of THESE
http://youtu.be/dpgPsQIq7_w to clear my property. It's called a mulcher and it looks like a ton of fun. 
SInce nobody will take my trees, I reckon I may as well cut them down myself.
Dana is convinced that I will cut my own damn legs off, or lose fingers, or something. Yeah, sure a chainsaw is dangerous, but with the proper care and technique, it ought to minimize the hazard.
How dangerous, really, would logging off my own property be with a chainsaw? It would make the land much more valuable, and I'm trying to sell it. What can I say to convince my wife that I won't make a widow out of her?
ObGMC Content: WIth the Palm Beach fixed up, I would have something to work out of on the property!
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Robin Hood
Jackson, MS
2013 Subaru Outback "Top Flight"
1968 Pontiac Catalina "The Cheshire Cat"
1978 GMC Royale motorhome "Pinto Bean"
1977 GMC Palm Beach motorhome "Barn Queen"
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Forget about the big operations. Independent pulpwood haulers will give you something for the pines on that 4.6 acres.
Ask around at work. Someone will have a cousin or brother-in-law of their barber that hauls pulpwood.
While you are at it, see if they know someone that sells firewood.
That won't leave so much for you to deal with.
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| Re: [GMCnet] OT: Chainsaws and clearing land [message #230540 is a reply to message #230518] |
Wed, 20 November 2013 18:24 |
rcjordan
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>burn
A windrow can get incredibly hot. I had one so hot that it seemed to be vaporizing the smaller trees almost instantly. I couldn't even get close to it with the loader. You do need to worry.
Now I burn during wet weather but mostly I drag them to a giant compost pile. You'd be surprised how fast the pile decomposes and shrinks.
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| Re: [GMCnet] OT: Chainsaws and clearing land [message #230552 is a reply to message #230551] |
Wed, 20 November 2013 18:57 |
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Robin - The biggest problem with chain saws? They sound like angry wasps! ;o)
1977 Birchaven, Lynnwood WA - "We may not be able to stop all evil in the world, but I know that how we treat one another is entirely up to us."
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| Re: [GMCnet] OT: Chainsaws and clearing land [message #230553 is a reply to message #230518] |
Wed, 20 November 2013 19:02 |
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>angry wasps
As it happens, I have a cure for that. Get your wife one of those Vitamix blenders. After being around one of those, the chainsaw is just a pleasant hum.
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