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Hard to argue against Michilin, however, Best is very subjective. My coach won't see many miles so I would not pay up for them while you might. Also research poly vs steel in the side walls. My personal opinion is the Michilin is likely one of the best but not best in all circumstances. If cost is no issue then go for it.
I wish I had aluminum wheels and a set of new Mischilin's!
I need to do the front bearings first and then maybe new tires in the spring. I know the smart money long term is to go aluminum but it is tempting to just buy 8 16.5's and mount six in the coach, one spare on a rim, and an additional unmounted spare in roof storage or at home all boxed for shipping to needed location?
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| Re: [GMCnet] 16" Alco's - What is the best tires i can put on the front? Michlin LT225/75R 16 L [message #230322 is a reply to message #230315] |
Tue, 19 November 2013 14:58 |
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| Steve Adams wrote on Tue, 19 November 2013 14:19 |
I know the smart money long term is to go aluminum but it is tempting to just buy 8 16.5's and mount six in the coach, one spare on a rim, and an additional unmounted spare in roof storage or at home all boxed for shipping to needed location?
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Steve,
If you buy 8 just carry two spares -- afterall those are dually wheels and will fit back to back on the spare tire carrier.
Dennis
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| Re: [GMCnet] 16" Alco's - What is the best tires i can put on the front? Michlin LT225/75R 16 L [message #230326 is a reply to message #230315] |
Tue, 19 November 2013 15:55 |
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| Steve Adams wrote on Tue, 19 November 2013 13:19 |
Hard to argue against Michilin, however, Best is very subjective. My coach won't see many miles so I would not pay up for them while you might. Also research poly vs steel in the side walls. My personal opinion is the Michilin is likely one of the best but not best in all circumstances. If cost is no issue then go for it.
I wish I had aluminum wheels and a set of new Mischilin's!
I need to do the front bearings first and then maybe new tires in the spring. I know the smart money long term is to go aluminum but it is tempting to just buy 8 16.5's and mount six in the coach, one spare on a rim, and an additional unmounted spare in roof storage or at home all boxed for shipping to needed location?
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| Re: [GMCnet] 16" Alco's - What is the best tires i can put on the front? Michlin LT225/75R 16 L [message #230327 is a reply to message #230326] |
Tue, 19 November 2013 16:02 |
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| Bob de Kruyff wrote on Tue, 19 November 2013 14:55 |
| Steve Adams wrote on Tue, 19 November 2013 13:19 |
Hard to argue against Michilin, however, Best is very subjective. My coach won't see many miles so I would not pay up for them while you might. Also research poly vs steel in the side walls. My personal opinion is the Michilin is likely one of the best but not best in all circumstances. If cost is no issue then go for it.
I wish I had aluminum wheels and a set of new Mischilin's!
I need to do the front bearings first and then maybe new tires in the spring. I know the smart money long term is to go aluminum but it is tempting to just buy 8 16.5's and mount six in the coach, one spare on a rim, and an additional unmounted spare in roof storage or at home all boxed for shipping to needed location?
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I hit the send button too soon so lets try this again. I think you are correct but there's another factor to complicate things. Michelin and BFG and Uniroyal are all the same company and in some sizes have commonized the construction and in some sizes have retained the original construction. Based on my recent evaluations of 225/75 R16's , all three are very good tires but ride and handle slightly differently(as of today).
Bob de Kruyff
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| Re: [GMCnet] 16" Alco's - What is the best tires i can put on the front? Michlin LT225/75R 16 L [message #230371 is a reply to message #230322] |
Tue, 19 November 2013 20:06 |
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If you buy 8 just carry two spares -- afterall those are dually wheels and will fit back to back on the spare tire carrier.
Dennis[/quote]
Dennis,
This why I love this forum. Great ideas and solutions to problems. It might look funny but would work. I don't like the idea of the extra weight though. I think the weight reduction is another benefit of the aluminum wheels and it would seem to be going in the wrong direction to have the weight of eight steel wheels on board. I was somewhat joking about carrying an extra tire in the roof top carrier but was completely serious about having an extra one at home all packaged and ready to ship if needed. Realistically I think carrying one spare is sufficient, although having said that we will hear from multiple people who had multiple flats on a trip. It would not bother me at all to buy eight tires vs.. seven. Many times I will still buy five new tires for a car. I like the idea of having a full size spare on a matching rim in addition to the donut spare. Rims are cheap at the salvage yards. It is like insurance. If you buy that extra tire you will likely never need it, but if you don't buy it you will need it and wish you had it on multiple occasions.
Thanks for the creative suggestion.
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| Re: [GMCnet] 16" Alco's - What is the best tires i can put on the front? Michlin LT225/75R 16 L [message #230372 is a reply to message #230327] |
Tue, 19 November 2013 20:17 |
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I hit the send button too soon so lets try this again. I think you are correct but there's another factor to complicate things. Michelin and BFG and Uniroyal are all the same company and in some sizes have commonized the construction and in some sizes have retained the original construction. Based on my recent evaluations of 225/75 R16's , all three are very good tires but ride and handle slightly differently(as of today).
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I would go with any of those tires. I may be a little old fashioned but my very strong preference is something made in the good old USA. I personally would not go with the Walmart or other perceived bargain tires for that reason. Fine if others do, just not my thing. While I would not likely buy a whole set at Walmart, I do think it is a great option in the case of emergency. Not sure whether they actually stock the 225 size or whether they would have to order one?
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1968 Chevrolet C20 396 Camper Special
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| Re: [GMCnet] 16" Alco's - What is the best tires i can put on the front? Michlin LT225/75R 16 L [message #230376 is a reply to message #230371] |
Tue, 19 November 2013 20:31 |
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| Steve Adams wrote on Tue, 19 November 2013 19:06 |
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Steve,
If you buy 8 just carry two spares -- afterall those are dually wheels and will fit back to back on the spare tire carrier.
Dennis[/quote]
Dennis,
This why I love this forum. Great ideas and solutions to problems. It might look funny but would work. I don't like the idea of the extra weight though. I think the weight reduction is another benefit of the aluminum wheels and it would seem to be going in the wrong direction to have the weight of eight steel wheels on board. I was somewhat joking about carrying an extra tire in the roof top carrier but was completely serious about having an extra one at home all packaged and ready to ship if needed. Realistically I think carrying one spare is sufficient, although having said that we will hear from multiple people who had multiple flats on a trip. It would not bother me at all to buy eight tires vs.. seven. Many times I will still buy five new tires for a car. I like the idea of having a full size spare on a matching rim in addition to the donut spare. Rims are cheap at the salvage yards. It is like insurance. If you buy that extra tire you will likely never need it, but if you don't buy it you will need it and wish you had it on multiple occasions.
Thanks for the creative suggestion.[/quote]
I've taken the opposite approach in that I finally removed my spare. I've never had a flat on the GMC in 20 years, of course now I'll probably have one  The tire size is so common that I'm not worried about getting one on the road. Now if I damage my Alcoa, that may be a different story.
Bob de Kruyff
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| Re: [GMCnet] 16" Alco's - What is the best tires i can put on the front? Michlin LT225/75R 16 L [message #230394 is a reply to message #230371] |
Wed, 20 November 2013 00:49 |
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| Steve Adams wrote on Tue, 19 November 2013 20:06 |
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Steve,
If you buy 8 just carry two spares -- afterall those are dually wheels and will fit back to back on the spare tire carrier.
Dennis[/quote]
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I looked and looked but could not find the photo. A few years back Gene Fisher posted s photo of Manny's coach with dualies on the front wheels. If you carried both spares on the front wheels you would eliminate the spare tire carrier, hsve better traction and still have two spares available.
TIC
Ken Burton - N9KB
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Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] 16" Alco's - What is the best tires i can put on the front? Michlin LT225/75R 16 L [message #230418 is a reply to message #230315] |
Wed, 20 November 2013 08:33 |
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[quote title=Steve Adams wrote on Tue, 19 November 2013 15:19]<snipped>
I need to do the front bearings first and then maybe new tires in the spring. I know the smart money long term is to go aluminum but it is tempting to just buy 8 16.5's and mount six in the coach, one spare on a rim, and an additional unmounted spare in roof storage or at home all boxed for shipping to needed location?/quote]
Steve,
While I am paranoid enough to like the idea of a good spare, I think having an old tire in storage is not the best use of one's resources. Tires (like bonded sails) have a limited life - On the road or on the shelf. I am changing - one pair at at time - to 16" steel wheels. Then, when we hit the lottery or the economy turns around (about equal chances in my book), I will change to alloy wheels.
Matt
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| Re: [GMCnet] 16" Alco's - What is the best tires i can put on the front? Michlin LT225/75R 16 L [message #230425 is a reply to message #230418] |
Wed, 20 November 2013 09:29 |
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The beast I named Money Pit came with 16" chromed steel wheels, but rotten barely used tires.
I put new tires on it before heading the ~500 miles toward home.
Later, I bought a pair of XD Rock Star wheels about every six weeks and in three months I had the alloy wheels all the way around. Charles B Wood Sr of parts list fame bought my older chrome steel wheels which paid for ONE of the new alloy wheels.
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> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 16" Alco's - What is the best tires i can put on the front? Michlin LT225/75R 16 L
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> [quote title=Steve Adams wrote on Tue, 19 November 2013 15:19]<snipped>
> I need to do the front bearings first and then maybe new tires in the spring. I know the smart money long term is to go aluminum but it is tempting to just buy 8 16.5's and mount six in the coach, one spare on a rim, and an additional unmounted spare in roof storage or at home all boxed for shipping to needed location?/quote]
> Steve,
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> While I am paranoid enough to like the idea of a good spare, I think having an old tire in storage is not the best use of one's resources. Tires (like bonded sails) have a limited life - On the road or on the shelf. I am changing - one pair at at time - to 16" steel wheels. Then, when we hit the lottery or the economy turns around (about equal chances in my book), I will change to alloy wheels.
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| Re: [GMCnet] 16" Alco's - What is the best tires i can put on the front? Michlin LT225/75R 16 L [message #230427 is a reply to message #230313] |
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Spare?
I don't need no stinking Spare!
I have AAA and a CC card.
We run 16" Alcoa's with one year old tires.
The spare 12 year old 16.5" lives in our garage along with the spare tire rack/holder.
I have a question?
When was the last time you had a flat running on your newer tires on any of your vehicles.
Yes I know on older tires can and will have flats or blow up.
Howard
Alpine Ca
74 Canyon Lands
PS we live in hot country that will cause tire problems sooner.
Check the air in your tires and look them over each time you pull out.
All is well with my Lord
> On Nov 20, 2013, at 6:33, Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com> wrote:
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> [quote title=Steve Adams wrote on Tue, 19 November 2013 15:19]<snipped>
> I need to do the front bearings first and then maybe new tires in the spring. I know the smart money long term is to go aluminum but it is tempting to just buy 8 16.5's and mount six in the coach, one spare on a rim, and an additional unmounted spare in roof storage or at home all boxed for shipping to needed location?/quote]
> Steve,
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> While I am paranoid enough to like the idea of a good spare, I think having an old tire in storage is not the best use of one's resources. Tires (like bonded sails) have a limited life - On the road or on the shelf. I am changing - one pair at at time - to 16" steel wheels. Then, when we hit the lottery or the economy turns around (about equal chances in my book), I will change to alloy wheels.
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| Re: [GMCnet] 16" Alco's - What is the best tires i can put on the front? Michlin LT225/75R 16 L [message #230451 is a reply to message #230427] |
Wed, 20 November 2013 11:44 |
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| hnielsen2 wrote on Wed, 20 November 2013 10:36 |
Spare?
I don't need no stinking Spare!
I have AAA and a CC card.
We run 16" Alcoa's with one year old tires.
The spare 12 year old 16.5" lives in our garage along with the spare tire rack/holder.
I have a question?
When was the last time you had a flat running on your newer tires on any of your vehicles.
Yes I know on older tires can and will have flats or blow up.
Howard
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Howard,
To answer your question directly, of our own fleet, each has had a tire pressure incident in the last five years. Most were road hazard damage. All required that the tire be serviced before continuing. Two of those were on the coach. More about that down the page.
When I realized how lucky we had been with the old tires on the coach, I replaced the set before our next serious excursion. As I still had 6*16.5 wheels, my choices were:
1 - Firestone Transforce.
I was told that Cooper were still available, but none could be located.
Of those Firestones, the first two I located were not "new". One was nearly three years old and the other over five. Both were offered at new price.
Of those on the coach, the first was during our very first excursion and it was the valve stem, but service was required none the less. The second was after I had purchased the new tires, the right front rim failed. It was marked with a circle R, but it cracked and there was no way it could even make the 150 miles home from there.
Even though I am changing to 6*16 rims, I am still concerned as the US pickup fleet changed to 7.5*17 rims in about 2005 (varies by mfg/model) that gives us until about 2017 until the 255/75-16 LRE choices starts to get smaller and with US manufacturing under the pressure to stop having profits (ie - stay in business), I am not sure how long we can even expect to get those.
Then there is the "broken down in BFE" issue. We were in Wisconsin (Barabo area) when that valve stem had to be replaced. It was a Saturday and no car tire place would touch a 16" truck wheel. Finally we found a truck service place that would look at it. During that time, they told me that if I needed a new tire, they could have it by Tuesday noon.
And that is why I will always have a spare tire.
Matt
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| Re: [GMCnet] 16" Alco's - What is the best tires i can put on the front? Michlin LT225/75R 16 L [message #230457 is a reply to message #230451] |
Wed, 20 November 2013 12:01 |
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""Even though I am changing to 6*16 rims, I am still concerned as the US pickup fleet changed to 7.5*17 rims in about 2005 (varies by mfg/model) that gives us until about 2017 until the 255/75-16 LRE choices starts to get smaller and with US manufacturing under the pressure to stop having profits (ie - stay in business), I am not sure how long we can even expect to get those.
Then there is the "broken down in BFE" issue. We were in Wisconsin (Barabo area) when that valve stem had to be replaced. It was a Saturday and no car tire place would touch a 16" truck wheel. Finally we found a truck service place that would look at it. During that time, they told me that if I needed a new tire, they could have it by Tuesday noon.
And that is why I will always have a spare tire.
Matt ""
Understand the issue, and most won't agree with not running a spare, but I run 225/75R 16 and those are very common and will be around for a very long time. However, I kept my spare tire mount:)
Bob de Kruyff
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| Re: [GMCnet] 16" Alco's - What is the best tires i can put on the front? Michlin LT225/75R 16 L [message #230459 is a reply to message #230427] |
Wed, 20 November 2013 12:08 |
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| hnielsen2 wrote on Wed, 20 November 2013 08:36 |
Spare?
I don't need no stinking Spare!
I have AAA and a CC card.
We run 16" Alcoa's with one year old tires.
The spare 12 year old 16.5" lives in our garage along with the spare tire rack/holder.
I have a question?
When was the last time you had a flat running on your newer tires on any of your vehicles.
Yes I know on older tires can and will have flats or blow up.
Howard
Alpine Ca
74 Canyon Lands
PS we live in hot country that will cause tire problems sooner.
Check the air in your tires and look them over each time you pull out.
All is well with my Lord
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Howard,
While never actually having a flat, I have had three tire failures on less than four year old tires on the GMC.
The first was a less than four year old Kumho on the mid right position. It started vibrating on the way home from Bisbee and was showing a separation and low pressure by the time we got home. The second was another of the Kumhos about 8 months later, this one I changed in the RV park. The third was a less than three year old BFG Commercial TA while on the road in Texas. None of these tires actually "blew out", and I even (foolishly) drove on one for about 300 miles, but they certainly did fail. If I hadn't had the spare in either of the two later instances, I would have had to buy a new tire on the road. In my opinion, that is more inconvenient and time consuming than installing the spare. It also may have limited the choice I had of tires.
On last year's Sand dune trip, we had one trailer tire fail just as we were pulling in to the McDonalds in Eloy, at 5:00 AM, and another fail just outside of Casa Grande along I-8. There was no spare for that trailer and the tires were only 5 years old. Both times my son had to unhitch the trailer and run the blown tire/wheel in to Walmart, in Casa Grande, to get new tires. Both times were EXTREMELY inconvenient and time consuming, especially the first, when he had to wait for Walmart Tire to open.
You are right though, other than those instances, the only tire failures I have had (lately) have been much older tires, run well past their age limit.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
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| Re: [GMCnet] 16" Alco's - What is the best tires i can put on the front? Michlin LT225/75R 16 L [message #230482 is a reply to message #230457] |
Wed, 20 November 2013 14:09 |
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When I had XD Rock Star wheels put on Money Pit, the tire shop damaged one rim. They paid for a replacement and offered the damaged wheel to me for $100 and I accepted. That wheel is mounted on the spare tire carrier. I have been looking for a recent "take-off" tire to go on that rim, but in an emergency, I guess I could have a tire servicing company just bring a fresh tire of correct size to me. AAA and credit card are definitely important "tools."
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> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 16" Alco's - What is the best tires i can put on the front? Michlin LT225/75R 16 L
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> ""Even though I am changing to 6*16 rims, I am still concerned as the US pickup fleet changed to 7.5*17 rims in about 2005 (varies by mfg/model) that gives us until about 2017 until the 255/75-16 LRE choices starts to get smaller and with US manufacturing under the pressure to stop having profits (ie - stay in business), I am not sure how long we can even expect to get those.
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> Then there is the "broken down in BFE" issue. We were in Wisconsin (Barabo area) when that valve stem had to be replaced. It was a Saturday and no car tire place would touch a 16" truck wheel. Finally we found a truck service place that would look at it. During that time, they told me that if I needed a new tire, they could have it by Tuesday noon.
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> And that is why I will always have a spare tire.
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> Understand the issue, and most won't agree with not running a spare, but I run 225/75R 16 and those are very common and will be around for a very long time. However, I kept my spare tire mount:)
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