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Re: [GMCnet] Dropping the fuel tanks and replacing rubber fuel lines on the Barn Queen [message #229037 is a reply to message #228984] Sat, 09 November 2013 08:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I will use jackstands >only< if I have a solid level floor - otherwise it is possible for one or more to lean and fall.  Since I am normally on ASB covered clay, I use pyramids of cribbing.  On a flat concrete driveway, the stands should work just fine.
 
--johnny

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Rob "Safety Officer" Mueller persuaded me off-list to just go with the 8
jackstands I've already got instead of building expensive and heavy ramps
that will be hard to store. :)


On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Galen Briggs <gpbriggs@iowatelecom.net>wrote:

>
>
> I dropped my tanks pretty soon after I got my coach. It leaked out a line
> on top when the PO filled the tanks for my test drive. I built these ramps
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/wood-ramp-construction/p5006.html
>
> They are long and heavy, and I used treated wood, making them heavier yet.
> But short of a pit/lift, I think they put things at about the perfect
> height for laying on your back and working. Too high is a strain, makes for
> too far to steady the drop, and gets you in the position for more stuff to
> fall in your face. I love the rams, and they give me plenty of room to do
> what I've needed under there. I do most of my work outside on the concrete
> pad in front of my garage.
>
> The tanks came out pretty easy with some vice grips and electric impact
> wrench, couple pieces of plywood and a floor jack. I pumped out all I
> could, and it was a handful but I got them off and on myself; I need more
> friends who have my same work schedule.
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Re: [GMCnet] Dropping the fuel tanks and replacing rubber fuel lines on the Barn Queen [message #229038 is a reply to message #228993] Sat, 09 November 2013 08:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Your parts store will have it.  I get it off Advance, 'alcohol proof'.  Low pressure has R9 on what I get.  It ain't cheeep.
 
--johnny
 

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Bwah? Isn't it just a matter of getting local corn-proof hose at my corner
parts store? Or is this some part that I'm not thinking about?


On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 8:42 PM, <roy@gmcnet.org> wrote:

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>
> JohnL455 wrote on Fri, 08 November 2013 18:27
> > Be sure to buy BARRIER fuel line. It comes on hi and lo pressure type.
>
>  And get the fuel rail  to tanks  and the fuel fill hoses  from Jim k
>  before you start the job.
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Re: [GMCnet] Dropping the fuel tanks and replacing rubber fuellines on the Barn Queen [message #229042 is a reply to message #229038] Sat, 09 November 2013 10:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Johnny,

Gates Barricade is available at O'Reilly's Auto Parts in 25 foot long lengths:

1/4" ID = Item number 27313 = http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/GATY/27313.oap?ck=Search_27313_-1_-1&keyword=27313

5/16" ID = Item number 27314 = http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/GATY/27314.oap?ck=Search_27314_-1_-1&keyword=27314

3/8" ID = Item number 27315 = http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/GATY/27315.oap?ck=Search_27315_-1_-1&keyword=27315

1/2" ID = Item number 27316 = http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/GATY/27316.oap?ck=Search_27316_-1_-1&keyword=27316

They also have it in other lengths.

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Your parts store will have it.  I get it off Advance, 'alcohol proof'.  Low pressure has R9 on what I get.  It ain't cheeep.
 
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Re: [GMCnet] Dropping the fuel tanks and replacing rubber fuel lines on the Barn Queen [message #229058 is a reply to message #228938] Sat, 09 November 2013 15:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Robin,

This picture shows an area where I would use the steel line, like PolyArmor, to replace as much of the rubber as practical. Of course you could use the rubber as a transition, but my thought is that I'd rather have steel than rubber.

<http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/gas-tank-fuel-line-project-6-10/p34764-gas-tank-clean-up-fuel-line-replacement.html>

Here's a question for the net - does the benefit of steel lines outweigh the possible trouble of the added transitions from steel to rubber? I may not have thought this through. 50' of rubber will wear exactly as much as 5" will…

Larry Davick

> On Nov 8, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Robin Hood <loxley@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Also, this looks rather instructive...
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5520-gas-tank-fuel-line-project-6-10.html
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Re: [GMCnet] Dropping the fuel tanks and replacing rubber fuel lines on the Barn Queen [message #229065 is a reply to message #229058] Sat, 09 November 2013 17:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Larry,
Your work is AMAZING!

Nice pictures. I wish I could find more time for the GMC. I think fuel system just moved up a few notches on my to do list.


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Re: [GMCnet] Dropping the fuel tanks and replacing rubber fuel lines on the Barn Queen [message #229067 is a reply to message #229058] Sat, 09 November 2013 18:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ljdavick wrote on Sat, 09 November 2013 16:02

Robin,

This picture shows an area where I would use the steel line, like PolyArmor, to replace as much of the rubber as practical. Of course you could use the rubber as a transition, but my thought is that I'd rather have steel than rubber.

<http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/gas-tank-fuel-line-project-6-10/p34764-gas-tank-clean-up-fuel-line-replacement.html>

Here's a question for the net - does the benefit of steel lines outweigh the possible trouble of the added transitions from steel to rubber? I may not have thought this through. 50' of rubber will wear exactly as much as 5" will...

Larry Davick

Larry,

I thought I had posted the pictures of the Polyarmor over the tanks from my project, but I can't find them. I finished with only about 4 feet total of rubber line under the coach. All of that can be replaced without dropping tanks. This was after the third tank removal to repair rubbber lines. I have had no trouble with the metal to rubber connections, and if I do, I will tighten the clamp and go on.

And it is not just over the tank. The first time was the fill vent line. Those are only partly over the tank. but you have to take the whole system down to replace them properly.

Matt


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Re: [GMCnet] Dropping the fuel tanks and replacing rubber fuel lines on the Barn Queen [message #229075 is a reply to message #229023] Sat, 09 November 2013 20:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jp Benson wrote on Sat, 09 November 2013 05:39

I used this lift to remove my tanks.

http://www.harborfreight.com/1500-lb-capacity-atvmotorcycle-lift-60536.html

It requires enough clearance to slide under the coach with the handle removed. ...


In the past, someone posted that they used a couple of ratcheting cargo straps to raise the tanks. IIRC he hooked the ends to the frame with the straps under the tank... then cranked the tanks into place. (Sounds MUCH easier than the jack I used.) These cheap "HF" ones should work for empty tanks: http://www.harborfreight.com/4-piece-1-inch-x-15-ft-ratcheting-tie-down-set-90984.html

I am fairly sure you can find other uses for the straps when done.

To who suggested "pyramids of cribbing" should see what "jack stands" Robin is talking about. They ARE "pyramids of cribbing" -- they are just connected together.


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Re: [GMCnet] Dropping the fuel tanks and replacing rubber fuel lines on the Barn Queen [message #229117 is a reply to message #229075] Sun, 10 November 2013 09:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mike Miller wrote on Sat, 09 November 2013 21:23

In the past, someone posted that they used a couple of ratcheting cargo straps to raise the tanks. IIRC he hooked the ends to the frame with the straps under the tank... then cranked the tanks into place. (Sounds MUCH easier than the jack I used.) These cheap "HF" ones should work for empty tanks: http://www.harborfreight.com/4-piece-1-inch-x-15-ft-ratcheting-tie-down-set-90984.html

I am fairly sure you can find other uses for the straps when done.

To who suggested "pyramids of cribbing" should see what "jack stands" Robin is talking about. They ARE "pyramids of cribbing" -- they are just connected together.

Mike,

I'm pretty sure that was my write-up that you remember and yes, the HF cargo straps worked real well at a 10$ (perpetually on sale at that price) are a reasonable investment and very easy to store. I didn't use the ratchet part as I tie lines much faster and easier than the ratchet can work, but if one does not, the ratchet works too.

The absolute best part is that the straps don't take up the space under the tank where you and the creeper need to be to make up all the connections.

Tanks go up real easily if you set each on a creeper and roll it over the straps that you have hung over the top of the transvers frames in front of and behind that tank. Then you can stretch under the coach and lift the tank off the creeper and you get it back for you to use. You don't have to juggle the tank, and it can be nearly or all lined up and wait there all day.

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Re: [GMCnet] Dropping the fuel tanks and replacing rubber fuel lines on the Barn Queen [message #229214 is a reply to message #228936] Sun, 10 November 2013 21:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Robin,

There are several albums on the photo site dealing with tanks and fuel lines. Here's mine:

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5520-gas-tank-fuel-line-project-6-10.html

Hope it helps.


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Re: [GMCnet] Dropping the fuel tanks and replacing rubber fuel lines on the Barn Queen [message #229889 is a reply to message #229214] Fri, 15 November 2013 07:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Update.

I got the Queen lifted on four of the 12-ton jackstands. There's enough
room to crawl around under there. Not much more, though.

I identified the straps that hold the tanks in. Two straps per tank. Each
strip has a long bolt of some sort.

I identified a gizmo with fuel lines coming into it and back out of it,
with an electrical wire(s) coming out the top. This may be some sort of
selector valve.

I identified the main filler tube. It looks like an inch, inch and a half
wide metal pipe. It connects to each fuel tank via a short piece of rubber
hose with hose clamps... said hose looks like it's an inch across.

I'm a bit confused due to the other bits of fuel line. There's a "vent"
line that goes from one of the tanks (can't tell which yet) to the filler
neck. There's a fuel line for the Onan heading aft (can't tell which tank
it comes from yet). Then there are a couple of more lines, one of which has
to be the actual engine fuel supply, but what's the other one? There's also
a hard line... whhat else is in that vicinity? Am i confusing a brake line?
Battery cable? Hot Water Line From Engine? (Need to make sure to undo
that!).

I have some blurry engineering drawings that Mr. Burkett sent me that show
an overview.

In other news, while I was down there, I identified the connector for what
I assume to be the Onan's control panel in thet coach. It's some wires that
head into a connector at any rate, located in the Onan compartment. Dunno
where it's supposed to plug into. The main wires from the Onan were cut
more or less flush with the body... I'm going to have to run new wires.
Will probably open up the AC distribution panel and tie new wire to the old
wire, and use the old wire to fish it back through the system. Dunno how
well that's going to work. But that's another project.

Identified what I think is the house battery connection in the battery
compartment... and another BIG wasp nest. Dead, of course.

With regard to my water tank, I know a guy that is building a kayak out of
milk jugs who knows all about welding this sort of thing.

Fuel tanks first, though. '

Maybe I should get a few colors of electrical tape and use that to identify
which bits do what. I really want to know what EVERYHING is, for certain,
before I go around taking things off.
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Re: [GMCnet] Dropping the fuel tanks and replacing rubber fuel lines on the Barn Queen [message #229890 is a reply to message #228936] Fri, 15 November 2013 07:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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GMC Fuel Tank Diagram

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/fuel-system/p51345-gmc-fuel-tank-diagram.html


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Re: [GMCnet] Dropping the fuel tanks and replacing rubber fuel lines on the Barn Queen [message #229892 is a reply to message #229890] Fri, 15 November 2013 08:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Aha! That vapor vent line is one I wasn't familiar with! I was wondering,
whilst beneath the coach, "Why is there a fuel line haring off to the
passenger side along that crossmember aft of the engine?"


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>
> GMC Fuel Tank Diagram
>
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/fuel-system/p51345-gmc-fuel-tank-diagram.html
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Re: [GMCnet] Dropping the fuel tanks and replacing rubber fuel lines on the Barn Queen [message #229897 is a reply to message #229890] Fri, 15 November 2013 08:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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and there is this, and the whole set of pictures

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/4634/TANK_VENTS1.pdf

and this
donot remove the tanks without
- fixing the senders
- new gaskets

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/23-gas-tank-sender-repair/p37203-gas-tank-sender-repair.html

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5469-gas-tanks-for-23.html

and here for vents
http://gmcws.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/Listen_to_your_GMC-by-Gene-Fisher.pdf

remember, no one drops their tanks one time..
- hard lines
- senders
- be sure to do it all while there

gene





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>
> GMC Fuel Tank Diagram
>
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/fuel-system/p51345-gmc-fuel-tank-diagram.html
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Re: [GMCnet] Dropping the fuel tanks and replacing rubber fuel lines on the Barn Queen [message #229899 is a reply to message #228936] Fri, 15 November 2013 09:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>remember, no one drops their tanks one time..

Ouch! And true, I'm afraid. RC says as he waits for his HD borescope.


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Re: [GMCnet] Dropping the fuel tanks and replacing rubber fuel lines on the Barn Queen [message #229903 is a reply to message #229897] Fri, 15 November 2013 09:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Wait wait wait... I can just cut two holes in my floor, and that will allow
me to pull the senders, inspect the condition of the interior of my tanks,
and change out the fuel lines without having to drop my tanks? Am I
understanding this correctly?


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:59 AM, gene Fisher <mr.erfisher@gmail.com> wrote:

> and there is this, and the whole set of pictures
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/4634/TANK_VENTS1.pdf
>
> and this
> donot remove the tanks without
> - fixing the senders
> - new gaskets
>
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/23-gas-tank-sender-repair/p37203-gas-tank-sender-repair.html
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5469-gas-tanks-for-23.html
>
> and here for vents
>
> http://gmcws.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/Listen_to_your_GMC-by-Gene-Fisher.pdf
>
> remember, no one drops their tanks one time..
> - hard lines
> - senders
> - be sure to do it all while there
>
> gene
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 5:45 AM, RC Jordan <rc@rcjordan.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > GMC Fuel Tank Diagram
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/fuel-system/p51345-gmc-fuel-tank-diagram.html
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Re: [GMCnet] Dropping the fuel tanks and replacing rubber fuel lines on the Barn Queen [message #229905 is a reply to message #229903] Fri, 15 November 2013 09:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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yep, and
you really only need one sender
- because the tanks are hooked together
- less than 10 gallons going back and forth between tanks
- senders are not calibrated so when 1/2 full , add 20 gal
so
just cut one hole,
- fix the sender
- check the filter
- change the gasket
and
after you have the hole, just 10 min to check the next time

the measurements show the approximate locations for the
senders,
start with a small hole and then enlarge over the sender




On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Robin Hood <loxley@gmail.com> wrote:

> Wait wait wait... I can just cut two holes in my floor, and that will allow
> me to pull the senders, inspect the condition of the interior of my tanks,
> and change out the fuel lines without having to drop my tanks? Am I
> understanding this correctly?
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:59 AM, gene Fisher <mr.erfisher@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > and there is this, and the whole set of pictures
> >
> > http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/4634/TANK_VENTS1.pdf
> >
> > and this
> > donot remove the tanks without
> > - fixing the senders
> > - new gaskets
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/23-gas-tank-sender-repair/p37203-gas-tank-sender-repair.html
> >
> > http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5469-gas-tanks-for-23.html
> >
> > and here for vents
> >
> >
> http://gmcws.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/Listen_to_your_GMC-by-Gene-Fisher.pdf
> >
> > remember, no one drops their tanks one time..
> > - hard lines
> > - senders
> > - be sure to do it all while there
> >
> > gene
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 5:45 AM, RC Jordan <rc@rcjordan.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > GMC Fuel Tank Diagram
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/fuel-system/p51345-gmc-fuel-tank-diagram.html
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Re: [GMCnet] Dropping the fuel tanks and replacing rubber fuel lines on the Barn Queen [message #229906 is a reply to message #229905] Fri, 15 November 2013 09:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Robin Hood is currently offline  Robin Hood   United States
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So there's some plumbing added that connects the drain holes together then,
thus ensuring that the fuel is the same level in both tanks, yes? This is
the "Jim Bounds" mod from the last slide? I like that idea. No selector
switch to go bad (I don't even think I HAVE a selector switch anymore, have
you seen the Queen's dashboard???), no selector valve to go bad, no
possibility of having fuel in a tank that can't get to the engine.

I like it!




On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 9:35 AM, gene Fisher <mr.erfisher@gmail.com> wrote:

> yep, and
> you really only need one sender
> - because the tanks are hooked together
> - less than 10 gallons going back and forth between tanks
> - senders are not calibrated so when 1/2 full , add 20 gal
> so
> just cut one hole,
> - fix the sender
> - check the filter
> - change the gasket
> and
> after you have the hole, just 10 min to check the next time
>
> the measurements show the approximate locations for the
> senders,
> start with a small hole and then enlarge over the sender
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Robin Hood <loxley@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Wait wait wait... I can just cut two holes in my floor, and that will
> allow
> > me to pull the senders, inspect the condition of the interior of my
> tanks,
> > and change out the fuel lines without having to drop my tanks? Am I
> > understanding this correctly?
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:59 AM, gene Fisher <mr.erfisher@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > and there is this, and the whole set of pictures
> > >
> > > http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/4634/TANK_VENTS1.pdf
> > >
> > > and this
> > > donot remove the tanks without
> > > - fixing the senders
> > > - new gaskets
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/23-gas-tank-sender-repair/p37203-gas-tank-sender-repair.html
> > >
> > > http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5469-gas-tanks-for-23.html
> > >
> > > and here for vents
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://gmcws.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/Listen_to_your_GMC-by-Gene-Fisher.pdf
> > >
> > > remember, no one drops their tanks one time..
> > > - hard lines
> > > - senders
> > > - be sure to do it all while there
> > >
> > > gene
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 5:45 AM, RC Jordan <rc@rcjordan.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > GMC Fuel Tank Diagram
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/fuel-system/p51345-gmc-fuel-tank-diagram.html
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Re: [GMCnet] Dropping the fuel tanks and replacing rubber fuel lines on the Barn Queen [message #229907 is a reply to message #229906] Fri, 15 November 2013 09:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am going to assume that the gasket and the sender are either (a) a
commonly available part or (b) avaialable through one of our vendors.

For instance, JimK:
sender: http://appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/773
gasket: http://appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/916

Anybody got the measurments for a 26 foot, to zero in on the fuel tank
senders?

And what are the odds that the tanks, empty for 20 years, will be usable?


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Re: [GMCnet] Dropping the fuel tanks and replacing rubber fuel lines on the Barn Queen [message #229908 is a reply to message #229905] Fri, 15 November 2013 10:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Gene,

Are you SURE you can CHANGE THE FUEL LINES?"

That will require threading two 3/8" lines (fuel & vent), one 5/16" line (carbon canister vent), and one 1/4" line (Onan) between
the tank and the underside of the floor.

When I dropped mine at the Coop the original lines were taped to the top of the tank and that's what we did with the new ones.

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
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-----Original Message-----
From: gene Fisher

yep, and
you really only need one sender
- because the tanks are hooked together
- less than 10 gallons going back and forth between tanks
- senders are not calibrated so when 1/2 full , add 20 gal
so
just cut one hole,
- fix the sender
- check the filter
- change the gasket
and
after you have the hole, just 10 min to check the next time

the measurements show the approximate locations for the
senders,
start with a small hole and then enlarge over the sender

Gene

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Re: [GMCnet] Dropping the fuel tanks and replacing rubber fuel lines on the Barn Queen [message #229910 is a reply to message #229908] Fri, 15 November 2013 10:15 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Robin Hood is currently offline  Robin Hood   United States
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Hmm... found an old thread at
http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&rid=0&th=21796&goto=171906#msg_171906

It seems that there's a possibility of fuel migrating on a hill. I may want
to think about it more at least as far as hooking the two tanks together at
the drain plug (nstead of through the fill line where they're already
connected).


Rob, I betcha I could fish the line through that channel between the tank
and the floor. I worked as an electrician's helper during college... it's
amazing the places that I can get a wire or cable. :)
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