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| The Cheapest Generation [message #228601] |
Tue, 05 November 2013 20:23  |
rcjordan
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"Don’t blame Ford. The company is trying to solve a puzzle that’s bewildering every automaker in America: How do you sell cars to Millennials (a k a Generation Y)? The fact is, today’s young people simply don’t drive like their predecessors did. In 2010, adults between the ages of 21 and 34 bought just 27 percent of all new vehicles sold in America, down from the peak of 38 percent in 1985. Miles driven are down, too. Even the proportion of teenagers with a license fell, by 28 percent, between 1998 and 2008."
http://tinyurl.com/cheapestgeneration
SOLD 77 Royale Coachmen Side Dry Bath
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| Re: The Cheapest Generation [message #228602 is a reply to message #228601] |
Tue, 05 November 2013 20:34  |
Otterwan
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I've never bought a new car, and ride my bike to my shop any day it isn't below freezing (which is just a few days a year around here). So blame me. I do try to make up for it by driving the GMC ;o)
1977 Birchaven, Lynnwood WA - "We may not be able to stop all evil in the world, but I know that how we treat one another is entirely up to us."
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| Re: The Cheapest Generation [message #228606 is a reply to message #228602] |
Tue, 05 November 2013 22:07 |
George Beckman
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| Otterwan wrote on Tue, 05 November 2013 18:34 |
I've never bought a new car, and ride my bike to my shop any day it isn't below freezing (which is just a few days a year around here). So blame me. I do try to make up for it by driving the GMC ;o)
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Exactly. When we tow, we tow an Electric Car, a Solectria Force. We drive down the highways, using great quantities of gas, but when we get there we are all green. *smile*
Our Car, just before we bought it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx5FbAZaBfE
'74 Eleganza, SE, Howell + EBL
Best Wishes,
George
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| Re: The Cheapest Generation [message #228626 is a reply to message #228601] |
Wed, 06 November 2013 07:58 |
Robert C
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They just are not really much into cars. Or vehicles. I have a 2000 Corvette that has a supercharged motor with headers and a nitrous set up. Very fast car and looks I think good. Had to pick up my granddaughter the other day from high school so I drove the car. While waiting in line to get her got a few looks and some student came over to ask me about the car. Rolled down the window and he was just ecstatic about the radio I had put in. very telling to me.
1975 Eleganza
Doug's headers
DBL air bag rear
New Jasper Engine
Manny Trans. one ton front end
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| Re: The Cheapest Generation [message #228644 is a reply to message #228627] |
Wed, 06 November 2013 11:07 |
Robert C
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| SeanKidd wrote on Wed, 06 November 2013 09:48 |
I always let someone else pay the depreciation on my cars...
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SeanKidd. How do you like the hubler front end. Did you have it installed or do it your self. I just bought the kit from Applied.
Thanks
1975 Eleganza
Doug's headers
DBL air bag rear
New Jasper Engine
Manny Trans. one ton front end
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| Re: The Cheapest Generation [message #228645 is a reply to message #228639] |
Wed, 06 November 2013 11:09 |
Robert C
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| Matt Colie wrote on Wed, 06 November 2013 11:29 |
As my two children are X age, I can understand a lot of the issue. Yes, they don't live in our world, but for that matter neither do we. I live in Michigan. I will never again be able to afford a new car. After what has been done to my investments, it is just good fortune and hard work that keeps the GMC running.
Our house is now appraised at less than we paid for it 22 years ago. There is talk that the mortgage interest deduction may soon go away as congress needs the tax money that this costs them.
Many still live at home, and largely that is simply that even the better jobs just don't provide the disposable income that ours once did. Yes, the country is being fundamentally transformed. We should not be surprised. The only reason pickups still sell is that they are an essential tool for agraria.
Matt - Watching and Waiting
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Ditto: Got a shock when I tried to refinance the house we built in 2005 and put an awful lot of money done on up front.
1975 Eleganza
Doug's headers
DBL air bag rear
New Jasper Engine
Manny Trans. one ton front end
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| Re: The Cheapest Generation [message #228649 is a reply to message #228601] |
Wed, 06 November 2013 11:34 |
rcjordan
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I happened upon this article after I had just finished good-naturedly questioning in another thread as to why everyone keeps referring to the future changes that are 'going' to happen to the GMCs. It's happening now.
What this article did not address is that post-WWII generations are not club joiners, either. You only have to stop by your local civic clubs to see for yourself.
http://www.kansas.com/2012/06/20/2381119/aging-members-lack-of-interest.html
IMO, the convergence of these trends (as well as economic changes such as the price of gas) will have great impact on the preservation of the breed. But I'm not particularly pessimistic about how this might end up. GMCnet, despite its age, is a strong, dynamic entity. A little crusty around the edges, perhaps, but that's a far cry from 'toes up.'
"Most of us can read the writing on the wall; we just assume it's addressed to someone else." - Ivern Ball
SOLD 77 Royale Coachmen Side Dry Bath
76 Birchaven Coachmen Side Wet Bath
76 Eleganza
Elizabeth City, NC
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| Re: The Cheapest Generation [message #228652 is a reply to message #228649] |
Wed, 06 November 2013 11:49 |
Otterwan
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My 17 year old son has a 1995 Oldsmobile 88 Royale and loves it. However, of the 4 children in our extended family of driving age, he is the only one with a car and also the only one with a license.
1977 Birchaven, Lynnwood WA - "We may not be able to stop all evil in the world, but I know that how we treat one another is entirely up to us."
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| Re: The Cheapest Generation [message #228731 is a reply to message #228601] |
Thu, 07 November 2013 00:34 |
appie
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when I was a kid in the 70´we smoked a lot of grass and did not care for cars at all
Live can change a man though
In Europe small ( by european standarts = very small) cars are very popular
People think the are more enviromental becourse they use less gass, but forget to do a cradle to grave analysis and obvious do not care about living quality
I think live is to short for small cars ( exepct when you live in Paris or Amsterdam)
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold
6 wheel discbrake
Quadrabags
Springfield stage 2 462 olds
Manny tranny
( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html
Fulltiming in Europe july 2014 til july 2016
Denmark
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| Re: The Cheapest Generation [message #228745 is a reply to message #228601] |
Thu, 07 November 2013 08:00 |
Ultravan Owners
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I'm 53 now and I have owned countless number of cars and 4 or 5 Harleys. My latest Harley is a 2000 Heritage Softail and it is the only vehicle/motorcycle I have ever purchased new.
I worked as a mechanic for Chevrolet dealerships when I was younger. Back then they called us line mechanics. There were no teams back then. Most if not all mechanics had a specialty and we where lined up down the bays, with the front end alignment guy having his space. The trans guy has his and the engine guy had his space. You get the picture.
IF I ever were to buy a new car; it have to be over 3 years in production - before I was willing to do so. I saw too many headaches with some new cars in their first 2 years of production. Just to name 2 there was the Citation and the Diesel Chevette. Even the early 80's Camaro had well over 182 issuses written up in ALLDATA reports.
I'll let someone pay top dollar for them new. They can own them a couple of years or so and then I'll buy it at a greatly reduced price and get many good years out of it. Helping to keep the mighty hard earned dollar in my pucket/bank account and not someone else's. (grin)
Not cheap - but wise! (or so I like to think - ha ha ha)
Sincerely, Tony
Tony (Ontario Canada)
Marie and I are blessed to have had a 2nd chance to buy our farm.
Still hoping and more importantly praying to be able to build a garage.
Our 1970 Ultravan #520 has an Olds Toronado 455 in back.
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| Re: The Cheapest Generation [message #229257 is a reply to message #228639] |
Mon, 11 November 2013 07:48 |
Luvn737s
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| Matt Colie wrote on Wed, 06 November 2013 09:29 |
As my two children are X age, I can understand a lot of the issue. Yes, they don't live in our world, but for that matter neither do we. I live in Michigan. I will never again be able to afford a new car. After what has been done to my investments, it is just good fortune and hard work that keeps the GMC running.
Our house is now appraised at less than we paid for it 22 years ago. There is talk that the mortgage interest deduction may soon go away as congress needs the tax money that this costs them.
Many still live at home, and largely that is simply that even the better jobs just don't provide the disposable income that ours once did. Yes, the country is being fundamentally transformed. We should not be surprised. The only reason pickups still sell is that they are an essential tool for agraria.
Matt - Watching and Waiting
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Matt, I share your sentiments about the bleak outlook absent some major societal mindset change. Instead of changing our circumstances we change our expectations. America never became great with a strategy like that!
I'll take hard work and success over hope and change any day.
Randy
1973 26' Painted Desert
Ahwatukee (Phoenix) AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] The Cheapest Generation [message #229259 is a reply to message #229257] |
Mon, 11 November 2013 08:09 |
jhbridges
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Given the sales numbers, I don't buy the pickup argument. They sell on emotion. And they sell a LOT of them. In that they represent a profit node for their makers, the emotion will probably be fostered for some time to come.
"RAM TOUGH!" "Like a ROCK!" "Built Ford TOUGH" "Best power" etc. None of which points toward utility, but all of which points to emotion (Macho). Remember, the more emotional the buy, the more it can be affected by advertising.
The true pickup is cheap and tough to kill - and is nearly extinct. It took me 500K + miles to wear out an F 150 fropm 1981. Had a relaible inline 6, and the shifter stuck up ouit of the floor. Nothing on it to break, so in broke very infrequently. The guy I sold it to (for $200) is still driving it. He doesn't mind the leak in the rusty roof.
--johnny
From: Randy <Acrosport2@hotmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] The Cheapest Generation
Matt Colie wrote on Wed, 06 November 2013 09:29
> As my two children are X age, I can understand a lot of the issue. Yes, they don't live in our world, but for that matter neither do we. I live in Michigan. I will never again be able to afford a new car. After what has been done to my investments, it is just good fortune and hard work that keeps the GMC running.
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> Our house is now appraised at less than we paid for it 22 years ago. There is talk that the mortgage interest deduction may soon go away as congress needs the tax money that this costs them.
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> Many still live at home, and largely that is simply that even the better jobs just don't provide the disposable income that ours once did. Yes, the country is being fundamentally transformed. We should not be surprised. The only reason pickups still sell is that they are an essential tool for agraria.
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> Matt - Watching and Waiting
Matt, I share your sentiments about the bleak outlook absent some major societal mindset change. Instead of changing our circumstances we change our expectations. America never became great with a strategy like that!
I'll take hard work and success over hope and change any day.
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Randy
1973 26' Painted Desert
Ahwatukee (Phoenix) AZ
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Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] The Cheapest Generation [message #229265 is a reply to message #229259] |
Mon, 11 November 2013 08:55 |
Steve
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Still driving my 1968 and 1969 pick up trucks. Purpose built for work and tough as nails. I think I have enough truck to last the rest of my life.
On the hope or outlook I will offer a comparison:
When I graduated from collage 25 years ago, I got an entry level job that paid 4-5 times the cost of my education. Today kids are graduating with student debt that is 4-5 times their starting pay. (you do the math on that one)
Think about that. We need education reform. We are currently victims of "education gone wild" due to cheap/free money for school which drives the price up. It was a real privilege for me to be able to go to school and I worked full time for six years as I got my degree, as many others did. Now, just like sign and drive for a new fancy truck, it is also sign and learn as well. The trouble is there are not enough jobs to support the cost of education.
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"RAM TOUGH!" "Like a ROCK!" "Built Ford TOUGH" "Best power" etc. None of which points toward utility, but all of which points to emotion (Macho). Remember, the more emotional the buy, the more it can be affected by advertising.
The true pickup is cheap and tough to kill - and is nearly extinct. It took me 500K + miles to wear out an F 150 fropm 1981. Had a relaible inline 6, and the shifter stuck up ouit of the floor. Nothing on it to break, so in broke very infrequently. The guy I sold it to (for $200) is still driving it. He doesn't mind the leak in the rusty roof.
1978 GMC Royal
Eastern Pennslyvania
1968 Chevrolet C20 396 Camper Special
1969 Chevrolet C20 Camper Special
1985 Buick Electra Park Avenue
1992 Camaro 25th Anniversary Heretage Edition Black
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| Re: [GMCnet] The Cheapest Generation [message #229276 is a reply to message #229265] |
Mon, 11 November 2013 10:07 |
jhbridges
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One might as well to say the available education doesn't match the available jobs - and to a degree you'd be correct. However, the travesty in student loans goes deeper and to a different source... basically the same source as the housing loan bust. Student loans are guaranteed by the govenrment, as the shaky mortgages were in many instances. As we (finally kinda) legislated away from bad mortgage loans, the financial institutions lobbied themselves into something else. This is comopunded by the plethora of "Universities" which have sprung up as for - profit entities. There's gold out there. And, much like the shaky mortgages, the loans are being made to anyone who walks in the door with a GED, with promises of great success after graduation. Not gonna happen.
When >I< get to be king,. some of this crap is gonna cghange.
<end rant mode>
--johnny
From: Steve Adams <sjadams@ptd.net>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] The Cheapest Generation
Still driving my 1968 and 1969 pick up trucks. Purpose built for work and tough as nails. I think I have enough truck to last the rest of my life.
On the hope or outlook I will offer a comparison:
When I graduated from collage 25 years ago, I got an entry level job that paid 4-5 times the cost of my education. Today kids are graduating with student debt that is 4-5 times their starting pay. (you do the math on that one)
Think about that. We need education reform. We are currently victims of "education gone wild" due to cheap/free money for school which drives the price up. It was a real privilege for me to be able to go to school and I worked full time for six years as I got my degree, as many others did. Now, just like sign and drive for a new fancy truck, it is also sign and learn as well. The trouble is there are not enough jobs to support the cost of education.
Quote:
"RAM TOUGH!" "Like a ROCK!" "Built Ford TOUGH" "Best power" etc. None of which points toward utility, but all of which points to emotion (Macho). Remember, the more emotional the buy, the more it can be affected by advertising.
The true pickup is cheap and tough to kill - and is nearly extinct. It took me 500K + miles to wear out an F 150 fropm 1981. Had a relaible inline 6, and the shifter stuck up ouit of the floor. Nothing on it to break, so in broke very infrequently. The guy I sold it to (for $200) is still driving it. He doesn't mind the leak in the rusty roof.
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1978 GMC Royal
1968 Chevrolet C20 396 Camper Special
1969 Chevrolet C20 Camper Special
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