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Sat, 26 October 2013 19:49  |
Terry
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First time posting to this list, hope I get it right. Had the 73 glacier
2 years, been trying to get it ready to go from one ocean to the other.
Used it to go get groceries today. On the way home, RF axle broke out at
the end and the bearing came apart, wheel and rotor came off, dropping
it to the ground and breaking the knuckle where the caliper mounts.
Applied has the parts I need and the price is expensive but tolerable.
The problem is the cores, as neither my axle or knuckle are usable
cores. Does anybody know if the knuckles and axles the same as
Toronado/Eldorado parts of that vintage? Someone is parting out a 66
Toro locally and I wonder if those are up to the duty of the GMC. Thanks
for any help!
Terry Kelpien
Smithfield, Va.
1973 Glacier 260
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| Re: [GMCnet] Axle and steering knuckle [message #227144 is a reply to message #227143] |
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ljdavick
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If this coach is going to be a keeper I'd say you are a perfect candidate for a 1-ton front end. Like Dan Gregg says do it right - do it once.
Larry Davick
> On Oct 26, 2013, at 5:49 PM, Terry <mrbullitt@verizon.net> wrote:
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> First time posting to this list, hope I get it right. Had the 73 glacier
> 2 years, been trying to get it ready to go from one ocean to the other.
> Used it to go get groceries today. On the way home, RF axle broke out at
> the end and the bearing came apart, wheel and rotor came off, dropping
> it to the ground and breaking the knuckle where the caliper mounts.
> Applied has the parts I need and the price is expensive but tolerable.
> The problem is the cores, as neither my axle or knuckle are usable
> cores. Does anybody know if the knuckles and axles the same as
> Toronado/Eldorado parts of that vintage? Someone is parting out a 66
> Toro locally and I wonder if those are up to the duty of the GMC. Thanks
> for any help!
>
> Terry Kelpien
> Smithfield, Va.
> 1973 Glacier 260
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| Re: [GMCnet] Axle and steering knuckle [message #227149 is a reply to message #227144] |
Sat, 26 October 2013 20:19 |
Kingsley Coach
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And another angle..
..used parts from someone who has installed the 1 ton
Mike in NS
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 9:55 PM, Larry Davick <ljdavick@comcast.net> wrote:
> If this coach is going to be a keeper I'd say you are a perfect candidate
> for a 1-ton front end. Like Dan Gregg says do it right - do it once.
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> Larry Davick
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> > On Oct 26, 2013, at 5:49 PM, Terry <mrbullitt@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > First time posting to this list, hope I get it right. Had the 73 glacier
> > 2 years, been trying to get it ready to go from one ocean to the other.
> > Used it to go get groceries today. On the way home, RF axle broke out at
> > the end and the bearing came apart, wheel and rotor came off, dropping
> > it to the ground and breaking the knuckle where the caliper mounts.
> > Applied has the parts I need and the price is expensive but tolerable.
> > The problem is the cores, as neither my axle or knuckle are usable
> > cores. Does anybody know if the knuckles and axles the same as
> > Toronado/Eldorado parts of that vintage? Someone is parting out a 66
> > Toro locally and I wonder if those are up to the duty of the GMC. Thanks
> > for any help!
> >
> > Terry Kelpien
> > Smithfield, Va.
> > 1973 Glacier 260
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| Re: [GMCnet] Axle and steering knuckle [message #227150 is a reply to message #227149] |
Sat, 26 October 2013 20:36 |
jim kanomata
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The toro knuckle is ok to return for core.
The hub must be from a coach.
I will make an exception and charge you $75 for a core.
I think what happened that caused the problem was that the l st person that worked on it did not torque the axel nut to 200-250 ft lbs.
Ask Nick to install the grease sert on it.
Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC, Fremont,CA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Axle and steering knuckle [message #227153 is a reply to message #227152] |
Sat, 26 October 2013 21:17 |
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ljdavick
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But they were really great engines!
Larry Davick
> On Oct 26, 2013, at 6:49 PM, Dan Gregg <gregg_dan@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> ljdavick wrote on Sat, 26 October 2013 19:55
>> If this coach is going to be a keeper I'd say you are a perfect candidate for a 1-ton front end. Like Dan Gregg says do it right - do it once.
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>> Larry Davick
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> Larry, what does he know? I hear he installed 2 engines within 7,000 miles and less than a year apart. :lol:
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| Re: [GMCnet] Axle and steering knuckle [message #227164 is a reply to message #227162] |
Sun, 27 October 2013 00:13 |
powerjon
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Terry,
As you may have seen posted welcoming new members to the list several times in the last few days it is important that you put the year and model of your coach and your aprox location in a signature line at the end of your email. It will in the future help us help you. You can see mine at the end of this email.
The 1 ton conversion is available from several suppliers.
http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/635
and
http://www.mannystransmission.biz/products/
Instructions for the Manny Kit
http://www.machinesoflovinggrace.net/gmc/frontend/
Both are good kits and I make no recommendation of one over the other. You need to contact each seller and talk with them and make your choice..
JR Wright
78 Buskirk Stretch
75 Avion
Michigan
On Oct 27, 2013, at 1:00 AM, Terry <mrbullitt@verizon.net> wrote:
> What does the 1 ton front end setup involve? Is this available as a
> complete kit? Is it the hubs/axles/knuckles from a later model GM 4wd
> pickup or Suburban?
> Jim, I can't find the local Toro I saw a week ago, so may have lost that
> option anyway.
> I can get Toro/Eldo rebuilt CV axles from the local Advance parts store,
> but they have to be ordered and I don't know if they are the same. Would
> be good to know before ordering them.
> I need some better instructions on how to reply to this list, as I have
> seen several posts that I might have been able to offer help, but can't
> figure out how to reply because the subject is not automatically filled
> out, and that indicates to me that the reply will not be specific to the
> email that I would be referring to.
> And does anybody know why many of the messages in the digest are faded out?
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> Terry
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| Re: [GMCnet] Axle and steering knuckle [message #227168 is a reply to message #227143] |
Sun, 27 October 2013 01:24 |
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hnielsen2
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Terry
I have a core
Left and right side.
We installed 1 ton unit.
What is it that you need?
I'll set up shipping if you pay for it
We can use Pay Pal
Howard
Alpine Ca.
Hnielsen2@cox.net
619-445-9777
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> On Oct 26, 2013, at 17:49, Terry <mrbullitt@verizon.net> wrote:
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> First time posting to this list, hope I get it right. Had the 73 glacier
> 2 years, been trying to get it ready to go from one ocean to the other.
> Used it to go get groceries today. On the way home, RF axle broke out at
> the end and the bearing came apart, wheel and rotor came off, dropping
> it to the ground and breaking the knuckle where the caliper mounts.
> Applied has the parts I need and the price is expensive but tolerable.
> The problem is the cores, as neither my axle or knuckle are usable
> cores. Does anybody know if the knuckles and axles the same as
> Toronado/Eldorado parts of that vintage? Someone is parting out a 66
> Toro locally and I wonder if those are up to the duty of the GMC. Thanks
> for any help!
>
> Terry Kelpien
> Smithfield, Va.
> 1973 Glacier 260
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| Re: [GMCnet] Axle and steering knuckle [message #227170 is a reply to message #227162] |
Sun, 27 October 2013 02:05 |
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ljdavick
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Terry,
Karen wrote up a great guide for installing Manny's 1-ton kit. It might help to explain the upgrade.
<http://machinesoflovinggrace.net/gmc/frontend>
Larry Davick
> On Oct 26, 2013, at 10:00 PM, Terry <mrbullitt@verizon.net> wrote:
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> What does the 1 ton front end setup involve? Is this available as a
> complete kit? Is it the hubs/axles/knuckles from a later model GM 4wd
> pickup or Suburban?
> Jim, I can't find the local Toro I saw a week ago, so may have lost that
> option anyway.
> I can get Toro/Eldo rebuilt CV axles from the local Advance parts store,
> but they have to be ordered and I don't know if they are the same. Would
> be good to know before ordering them.
> I need some better instructions on how to reply to this list, as I have
> seen several posts that I might have been able to offer help, but can't
> figure out how to reply because the subject is not automatically filled
> out, and that indicates to me that the reply will not be specific to the
> email that I would be referring to.
> And does anybody know why many of the messages in the digest are faded out?
>
> Terry
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| Re: [GMCnet] Axle and steering knuckle [message #227171 is a reply to message #227162] |
Sun, 27 October 2013 04:36 |
Mr ERFisher
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On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 10:00 PM, Terry <mrbullitt@verizon.net> wrote:
> What does the 1 ton front end setup involve? Is this available as a
> complete kit?
Here is the one ton info
http://gmcmotorhome.info/front.html
read all the links, esp Bradley
go with the one ton, everything gets up dated
- read the info
gene
> Is it the hubs/axles/knuckles from a later model GM 4wd
> pickup or Suburban?
> Jim, I can't find the local Toro I saw a week ago, so may have lost that
> option anyway.
> I can get Toro/Eldo rebuilt CV axles from the local Advance parts store,
> but they have to be ordered and I don't know if they are the same. Would
> be good to know before ordering them.
> I need some better instructions on how to reply to this list, as I have
> seen several posts that I might have been able to offer help, but can't
> figure out how to reply because the subject is not automatically filled
> out, and that indicates to me that the reply will not be specific to the
> email that I would be referring to.
> And does anybody know why many of the messages in the digest are faded out?
>
> Terry
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| Re: [GMCnet] Axle and steering knuckle [message #227179 is a reply to message #227143] |
Sun, 27 October 2013 05:29 |
Ken Henderson
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Terry,
First off, when you REPLY to a GMCNet posting, not only the subject, but
the hidden identification is automatically completed -- which is why you
should NEVER attempt to start a new thread by "hijacking" an existing one
by merely changing the subject to a new topic. Always start a new thread
"from scratch". But to continue in a thread, just REPLY.
As it happens, I just yesterday disassembled a '70 Eldorado front
suspension, so I have the knuckle you need for a core. When you decide
whether to buy from JimK or directly from Dave Lenzi, if you'll let me
know, we'll arrange shipment directly to JimK (or, more likely in either
case, directly to Dave). I'll charge $50 for the core, plus shipping.
That said, I strongly agree with the other recommendations to go ahead and
upgrade to the 1-Ton. Manny's charge for that is so economical that it
makes little sense to replace OEM suspension, especially when you've got to
buy a new axle AND a knuckle core. With the 1-ton, you'll not only gain
the more modern, heavy duty bearings which don't require expensive unique
tools to service, you get heavier duty brakes. Win, Win, Win.
JMHO after putting 11,000 miles on my 1-Ton.
Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL
www.gmcwipersetc.com
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Terry <mrbullitt@verizon.net> wrote:
> First time posting to this list, hope I get it right. Had the 73 glacier
> 2 years, been trying to get it ready to go from one ocean to the other.
> Used it to go get groceries today. On the way home, RF axle broke out at
> the end and the bearing came apart, wheel and rotor came off, dropping
> it to the ground and breaking the knuckle where the caliper mounts.
> Applied has the parts I need and the price is expensive but tolerable.
> The problem is the cores, as neither my axle or knuckle are usable
> cores. Does anybody know if the knuckles and axles the same as
> Toronado/Eldorado parts of that vintage? Someone is parting out a 66
> Toro locally and I wonder if those are up to the duty of the GMC. Thanks
> for any help!
>
> Terry Kelpien
> Smithfield, Va.
> 1973 Glacier 260
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| Re: [GMCnet] Axle and steering knuckle [message #227185 is a reply to message #227143] |
Sun, 27 October 2013 09:19 |
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SeanKidd
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Terry,
When we acquired our '73 Canyonlands my CFO investigated what the weak points were of the GMC, unfortunately the '73 and I believe early '74 (GMCers please interject) had a lower control arm that developed cracks at the ball joint mounting and several failed. It was redesigned in later models, this item quickly moved up the priority list.
With almost all the parts off the shelf for a mid 80s to 2001? GM 3500 series, including wheel bearings that don't need a special tool to disassemble. I think the drive shafts themselves are a custom length...
We opted for the kit, and ate the core charge for the lower control arm, since they were substandard, they could not be re-used. I installed it myself, only special tool needed is a torsion bar unloader I bought off amazon. I also took this opportunity to replace most of the steering components at this time like tie rod ends, shocks etc. just my $.02. But it is a well engineered kit and my new reinforced lower control arms are monsters! It's a great investment.
Sean and Stephanie
73 Ex-CanyonLands 26' #317 "Oliver"
Hubler 1-Ton, Quad-Bags, Rear Disc, Reaction Arms, P.Huber TBs, 3.70:1 LSD Honda 6500 inverter gen.
Colonial Travelers
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| Re: [GMCnet] Axle and steering knuckle [message #227218 is a reply to message #227143] |
Sun, 27 October 2013 13:43 |
KB
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Terry, last I heard from Manny recently, his one-ton kit is $1570 plus shipping.
That doesn't included the brake calipers and pads, but those are readily available
and you can usually get as good or better a deal on them than he can due to supply,
shipping, and core prices. It also allows you to choose whatever type of brake pad
you like. I don't think he has the kit price on his site currently.
The messages are faded out because of a bug in the recent Mozilla Thunderbird,
assuming that's what you're using to read them. It has to do with
the signatures being made more and more transparent instead of being
reset on each message within the digest. I haven't yet found
a solution other than to do "View -> Message Source" from the toolbar
which will show you the message in plain text.
Karen
1973 23'
1975 26'
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