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| While on the Subject of Cancer [message #226663] |
Tue, 22 October 2013 23:38  |
George Beckman
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While we are rallying behind Dan and Teri I would like to say, there has been a great deal of talk about PSA (Prostate Test) and that the blood test is not necessary and, well yak yak.
Guys, get the test and the grope. My prostate cancer was caught very early because of PSA steadly creeping up for 9 years. 3.4 and got up to 7.8 before they finally found cancer cells. If you don't get the test or are avoiding it, you are a fool. PSA goes up because: 1. Prostate is enlarging. 2. Prostate is infected. 3. Prostate has cancer cells. Mine was not enlarging and I took an antibiotic three times in the 9 years with no overall effect. I was not shocked when they finally found a sample with cancer cells. This is not rocket science.
Much talk here about getting oil tested, what zinc is in oil, how to test gas for ethanol. Duh. Get your PSA tested. Don't let it get away; it goes for the bones.
(Ladies, get your tests, too.)
'74 Eleganza, SE, Howell + EBL
Best Wishes,
George
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| Re: [GMCnet] While on the Subject of Cancer [message #226668 is a reply to message #226663] |
Tue, 22 October 2013 23:46  |
Guy Lopes
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George,
Well said and I agree. I'm right behind you (so to speak).
Please guys (and gals) don't put it off!
Guy Lopes
76 Birchaven "Orion"
Sacramento, CA
www.GMC-Guy.com
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Subject: [GMCnet] While on the Subject of Cancer
While we are rallying behind Dan and Teri I would like to say, there has
been a great deal of talk about PSA (Prostate Test) and that the blood test
is not necessary and, well yak yak.
Guys, get the test and the grope. My prostate cancer was caught very early
because of PSA steadly creeping up for 9 years. 3.4 and got up to 7.8 before
they finally found cancer cells. If you don't get the test or are avoiding
it, you are a fool. PSA goes up because: 1. Prostate is enlarging. 2.
Prostate is infected. 3. Prostate has cancer cells. Mine was not enlarging
and I took an antibiotic three times in the 9 years with no overall effect.
I was not shocked when they finally found a sample with cancer cells. This
is not rocket science.
Much talk here about getting oil tested, what zinc is in oil, how to test
gas for ethanol. Duh. Get your PSA tested. Don't let it get away; it goes
for the bones.
(Ladies, get your tests, too.)
--
'74 Eleganza, SE, Howell + EBL
Best Wishes,
George
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| Re: While on the Subject of Cancer [message #226671 is a reply to message #226669] |
Wed, 23 October 2013 00:19 |
jim kanomata
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Talking about happenings, Jerry Wheeler just called here at the shop at 10 pm to see how I was. As you know Jerry took one bad solid fall off the ladder in Oregon about 4 weeks ago and was in intensive care.
He managed to force himself to get well so he could be at the Western States Rally. I was almost at shock when he tapped me at the rally and said hi.
From all the medical data, he should not have survived the fall.
I know Dan and Teri will work as a team to conquer the condition and helping all of us as they have always done.
Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC, Fremont,CA
jimk@appliedairfilters.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] While on the Subject of Cancer [message #226680 is a reply to message #226663] |
Wed, 23 October 2013 06:33 |
jhbridges
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And let us not forget,colon cancer is also pretty much completely preventable. Have the Up Periscope test every five or ten years, as recommended. It may be undignified, but it is lifesaving.
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
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On Wed, 10/23/13, George Beckman <gbeckman@pggp.com> wrote:
Subject: [GMCnet] While on the Subject of Cancer
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Wednesday, October 23, 2013, 4:38 AM
While we are rallying behind Dan and Teri I would like to
say, there has been a great deal of talk about PSA (Prostate
Test) and that the blood test is not necessary and, well yak
yak.
Guys, get the test and the grope. My prostate cancer was
caught very early because of PSA steadly creeping up for 9
years. 3.4 and got up to 7.8 before they finally found
cancer cells. If you don't get the test or are avoiding it,
you are a fool. PSA goes up because: 1. Prostate is
enlarging. 2. Prostate is infected. 3. Prostate has cancer
cells. Mine was not enlarging and I took an antibiotic three
times in the 9 years with no overall effect. I was not
shocked when they finally found a sample with cancer cells.
This is not rocket science.
Much talk here about getting oil tested, what zinc is
in oil, how to test gas for ethanol. Duh. Get your PSA
tested. Don't let it get away; it goes for the bones.
(Ladies, get your tests, too.)
--
'74 Eleganza, SE, Howell + EBL
Best Wishes,
George
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| Re: [GMCnet] While on the Subject of Cancer [message #226691 is a reply to message #226663] |
Wed, 23 October 2013 08:47 |
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I am going to second all the comments typed here! I too am a cancer surviver. I had been watching my PSA very slowly rise the last few years and in the fall of 2011 it had gone from 2.8 to 3.2 in a 12 month period. I know that to some that is not a very high score, but sudden jumps can indicate an issue. My prostate was enlarged but had no lumps or bumps. I had another PSA done in April when I got back and it had jumped to 3.7, still low and under the usual 4.0 trigger point. My doctor said lets do a biopsy and see what is going on, so when we got back from Tucson in the spring of 2012 I had it done and it came back this a Gleason score of 7, which is less than good. I had tested positive for cancer in 5 of the 16 sites taken. The cancer had not escaped out of the prostate and I had a choice to make. I chose to have a radical prostectomy. You can have this done several ways, either by the new robotic surgery or the conventional open surgery. I chose to the open surg
ery, because I wanted my surgeon to do a hands on touchy feally look at all the organs in the area and lymph nodes and we also did a lymph node biopsy that came back negative too. There is also radiation therapy, but my Dad got burned internally by the radiation and had some other none cancer related issues the rest of his life. My word to all of you out there from 50 on up, GET THE TESTS DONE! If you see these small changes happening to you DON'T WAIT! Since the surgery 18 months ago my PSA has been 0.001 and I am cancer free. I am now at a frequency for PSA of every 6 months.
Robbin talked about the VA and if any of you out there who are Vietnam era vets and are not in the VA system, go get registered! I have been in the VA system for almost 13 years and and had been classified as 40% disabled because of several medical conditions related to my service in Vietnam. I filed a change in medical condition along with all the medical test from my doctor in the spring of 2012 and was reclassified 100% disabled in July of 2013. My surgery reports were submitted in August of 2012. My classification will now be reduced on Nov 1 to 60% compensation because I am cancer free for now. I know that this is pretty wordy but some of these things my have happened to you, so don't wait and think that it will go away.
JR Wright
78 Buskirk Stretch
75 Avion
Michigan
On Oct 23, 2013, at 12:38 AM, George Beckman <gbeckman@pggp.com> wrote:
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> While we are rallying behind Dan and Teri I would like to say, there has been a great deal of talk about PSA (Prostate Test) and that the blood test is not necessary and, well yak yak.
>
> Guys, get the test and the grope. My prostate cancer was caught very early because of PSA steadly creeping up for 9 years. 3.4 and got up to 7.8 before they finally found cancer cells. If you don't get the test or are avoiding it, you are a fool. PSA goes up because: 1. Prostate is enlarging. 2. Prostate is infected. 3. Prostate has cancer cells. Mine was not enlarging and I took an antibiotic three times in the 9 years with no overall effect. I was not shocked when they finally found a sample with cancer cells. This is not rocket science.
>
> Much talk here about getting oil tested, what zinc is in oil, how to test gas for ethanol. Duh. Get your PSA tested. Don't let it get away; it goes for the bones.
>
> (Ladies, get your tests, too.)
> --
> '74 Eleganza, SE, Howell + EBL
> Best Wishes,
> George
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| Re: [GMCnet] While on the Subject of Cancer [message #226697 is a reply to message #226663] |
Wed, 23 October 2013 09:16 |
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G'day,
As I've demonstrated repeatedly I am a DATA freak so the following is from the American Cancer Society's website:
WHAT ARE THE KEY STATISTICS ABOUT PROSTATE CANCER?
Other than skin cancer, prostate cancer is the most common cancer in American men. The American Cancer Society's estimates for
prostate cancer in the United States for 2013 are:
About 238,590 new cases of prostate cancer will be diagnosed
About 29,720 men will die of prostate cancer
About 1 man in 6 will be diagnosed with prostate cancer during his lifetime.
Prostate cancer occurs mainly in older men. About 6 cases in 10 are diagnosed in men aged 65 or older, and it is rare before age 40.
The average age at the time of diagnosis is about 67.
Prostate cancer is the second leading cause of cancer death in American men, behind only lung cancer. About 1 man in 36 will die of
prostate cancer.
Prostate cancer can be a serious disease, but most men diagnosed with prostate cancer do not die from it. In fact, more than 2.5
million men in the United States who have been diagnosed with prostate cancer at some point are still alive today.
For statistics related to survival, see the section http://www.cancer.org/ssLINK/prostate-cancer-survival-rates
We make jokes about the "finger wave" test but IT'S NO JOKE! Get tested regularly!
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
-----Original Message-----
From: George Beckman
While we are rallying behind Dan and Teri I would like to say, there has been a great deal of talk about PSA (Prostate Test) and
that the blood test is not necessary and, well yak yak.
Guys, get the test and the grope. My prostate cancer was caught very early because of PSA steadly creeping up for 9 years. 3.4 and
got up to 7.8 before they finally found cancer cells. If you don't get the test or are avoiding it, you are a fool. PSA goes up
because: 1. Prostate is enlarging. 2. Prostate is infected. 3. Prostate has cancer cells. Mine was not enlarging and I took an
antibiotic three times in the 9 years with no overall effect. I was not shocked when they finally found a sample with cancer cells.
This is not rocket science.
Much talk here about getting oil tested, what zinc is in oil, how to test gas for ethanol. Duh. Get your PSA tested. Don't let it
get away; it goes for the bones.
(Ladies, get your tests, too.)
--
George
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| Re: While on the Subject of Cancer [message #226700 is a reply to message #226663] |
Wed, 23 October 2013 09:35 |
kerry pinkerton
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The reason the government and insurance companies are wanting to drop the PSA TEST is that it is not a hard number. That is, the test doesn't return a single 'pass or fail' type of result. Instead, the results are relative to previous numbers for YOU.
Three years ago, I had a physical, my first in 5 years. My PSA was 6ish. My Doctor wanted the biopsy but it was right at Christmas and I got him to agree to wait a few months until I had to come back for a cholesterol blood test anyway.
Two days after that subsequent test, my Doctor CALLED ME. It is NEVER good news when your Doctor calls you at home. My PSA had gone from 6 to 13 in three months. His call was to inform me that I had a definite problem and he had made arrangements for me to get an appointment at a urologist.
The needle biopsy wasn't as bad as it sounds. Taking all the laxatives to get ready was much worse than the procedure. My test results came back with a Gleason score of 7 (out of 10) which is about as high as you can have it and still have the cancer contained in the prostate. I was lucky and it had not spread.
There are three ways to have your prostate removed.
1- Incision in front (nice scar)
2- Robotic (DiVinci) Arthroscopic
3- Up from below
All have potential side effects and all the side effects happen in the bathroom or bedroom. I told my Doctor I would go for the one with minimum side effects and deal with the recovery pain. He agreed and said that he had literally done THOUSANDS of the DaVinci surgeries but preferred to be able to physically touch and see things and that studies had recently shown that there was a higher percentage of problems with the robotic surgery. I found out later that Dr. Flatt is THE man in Huntsville, the guy the other Doctors use.
The same month as I was diagnosed a friend got a less positive diagnosis with CAT scans showing it had spread to his bones. He was treated with radiation but passed away last month.
Have the test.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: While on the Subject of Cancer [message #226702 is a reply to message #226663] |
Wed, 23 October 2013 09:48 |
GeorgeRud
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While it's always far better to not suffer with such diseases, it's always best to catch these things at the early stages. Prognosis is much, much better if caught early.
Treatments keep getting better, but the outcomes are always better with early detection. Have your tests done when they recommend.
All our prayers to all fighting this challenge!
George Rudawsky
Chicago, IL
75 Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] While on the Subject of Cancer [message #226707 is a reply to message #226700] |
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Kerry,
Our ex neighbor in Houston was diagnosed and he had the whole prostrate removed.
He noted that bedroom activities are just fine but a bit less spontaneous as he has to take a pill to get ready for action! ;-)
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Kerry Pinkerton
The reason the government and insurance companies are wanting to drop the PSA TEST is that it is not a hard number. That is, the
test doesn't return a single 'pass or fail' type of result. Instead, the results are relative to previous numbers for YOU.
Three years ago, I had a physical, my first in 5 years. My PSA was 6ish. My Doctor wanted the biopsy but it was right at Christmas
and I got him to agree to wait a few months until I had to come back for a cholesterol blood test anyway.
Two days after that subsequent test, my Doctor CALLED ME. It is NEVER good news when your Doctor calls you at home. My PSA had
gone from 6 to 13 in three months. His call was to inform me that I had a definite problem and he had made arrangements for me to
get an appointment at a urologist.
The needle biopsy wasn't as bad as it sounds. Taking all the laxatives to get ready was much worse than the procedure. My test
results came back with a Gleason score of 7 (out of 10) which is about as high as you can have it and still have the cancer
contained in the prostate. I was lucky and it had not spread.
There are three ways to have your prostate removed.
1- Incision in front (nice scar)
2- Robotic (DiVinci) Arthroscopic
3- Up from below
All have potential side effects and all the side effects happen in the bathroom or bedroom. I told my Doctor I would go for the one
with minimum side effects and deal with the recovery pain. He agreed and said that he had literally done THOUSANDS of the DaVinci
surgeries but preferred to be able to physically touch and see things and that studies had recently shown that there was a higher
percentage of problems with the robotic surgery. I found out later that Dr. Flatt is THE man in Huntsville, the guy the other
Doctors use.
The same month as I was diagnosed a friend got a less positive diagnosis with CAT scans showing it had spread to his bones. He was
treated with radiation but passed away last month.
Have the test.
--
Kerry
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| Re: [GMCnet] While on the Subject of Cancer [message #226726 is a reply to message #226717] |
Wed, 23 October 2013 12:29 |
jhbridges
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Well, my Urologist Uncle's take on prostate problems was 'Use it or lose it' and I still follow his advice, though admittedly not as frequently as I did at 25. He also said pretty much any male past about 65 will show some cancerous changes in his prostate cells at autopsy - and nobody seems to know why some break out and others don't. That may have changed with recent research, he's 94. I pretty much subsist on salads and fresh vegetables. And after being saddled with Type II diabetes a few years ago took off some weight and I'm still taking it off. Rally desserts don't help :) And Robin can't help those of us wgho threw Agent Orange out of airplanes to defoliate cotton. We called it 2,4,5t and it supposedly was a better product that the Ranch Hands used. I certainly hope so. Either way, you dam' sure didn't want to fly back through the swath from the last pass.
--johnny
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On Wed, 10/23/13, Jp Benson <chocomo99@yahoo.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] While on the Subject of Cancer
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Wednesday, October 23, 2013, 4:49 PM
I know it's not a popular idea but
eating more veggies is reputed to
help prevent prostate problems.
My grandpa used to carefully cut the fat from the edge of
steaks and
then ate it first. He survived prostate cancer for
another 10 years
after having his jewels removed. My brother recently
had his prostate
removed after malignant cells were found. Neither of
them cared much
for vegetables.
My father, who preferred a high fat diet was diagnosed with
early stage
type II diabetes at age 37. He had a heart attack and
quintuple bypass
at age 65. A couple years after that his health began
to improve after
switching to a mostly vegetarian diet. He survives to
this day and has
outlived his best prognosis by about 15 years.
I, for some reason, generally prefer veggies to meat.
My most recent
PSA test (about 6 yrs ago) was less than 0.5. Knock on
wood.
Anecdotal evidence to be sure but something to consider.
JP
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| Re: While on the Subject of Cancer [message #226729 is a reply to message #226663] |
Wed, 23 October 2013 12:40 |
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Bout 10 years ago I got sick to my stomach and could not pee. Cat takes me to the emergency room. I have long hair and I think I was stereo typed as being in withdrawals since I sat in the emergency room 8 hours before I started throwing up green stuff all over the place. My prostrate was swelled up so big I could not pee. PSA # was 56 that is fifty-six. I layed in the hospital for a week on intravenous antibiotics with doctors scratching their heads. I was getting better and prostrate and #s was going down. One day the Dr came in and sat down in the chair and just sat there like he didn`t know what to do. I was better to the point that the catheter was removed I could drag my IV to the bathroom to pee. I happen to mentioned that it felt like I had air in my pee and I could see the light bulb go off in his head. So next thing I know there is a scope up my butt. Turns out I had Diverticulitis and a fistula had attached itself to my bladder and created a canal between my intestines and my bladder and I was peeing poop which infected everstuff. So after a colon resection and a new trainee Dr working with the specialists just happen to check my gall bladder while he was in there (it was shriveled up and was rotting) and removed it I came out fine. Last PSA check was 1.2 at hospital this week. It is still enlarged some but Dr says OK for an old man.
There have been so many advancements in medicine in just the past few years it is amazing what they can tell with a blood test. Get the blood test.
C. Boyd
76 Crestmont
East Tennessee
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Chuck,
Me too!
While was based in Hong Kong in the mid 1990's every time I'd go to China I'd come back crook. I constantly felt like I had to have
a bowel movement. This went on for about 2 years seeing a GP that would prescribe antibiotics or antiparasitics. I finally had
enough and told her (she was a New Zealander that specialized in pediatrics) that I wanted to see a gastroenterologist. I went to
see him and he did the finger wave test after which he told me I had a lump on my prostrate! AW S#!T! Then he tried to do a
sigmoidoscopy. That's where they stick a small scope up where the sun don't shine. He noted that he couldn't get the scope into the
sigmoid colon (that's the last bit of your large intestine). He said I needed a cat scan of my large intestine to see what was going
on. That was fun as the make you drink GALLONS of radioactive fluid to expand the large intestine. When it's over your butt
EXPLODES! At any rate it turned out I had infected diverticulitis and he began treatment with anti-biotics. About a week into the
treatment I noted the same thing you did, bubbles in my pee stream. It was on a Thursday night and I couldn't call the GI Doc so I
called a friends wife who was a nurse. She told me that was not normal (thanks, I kinda figger'd that out) and to call the GI Doc
the next day. I called Friday AM but he was making rounds. I didn't go to work cause I felt like crap and was getting worse by the
hour. When the GI Doc called me back and I told him what had happened and how bad I felt he told me to get to the Adventist Hospital
ASAP. When I got there I was suffering a fever then chills, I was a MESS! Turns out the same thing that happened to you happened to
me. The antibiotics were working on the infection and in the process of doing so created a passage between bladder and the large
intestine and I too went septic! On Saturday they called in a surgeon and removed my sigmoid colon. I have pictures of it and it was
without a doubt the GROSSEST thing I have ever seen! I now get colonoscopies every 5 years.
Australia has instituted a program where anyone over the age of 50 was sent a letter and provided a kit to do stool sample. It was
analyzed for free. You might want to consider asking your GP for stool sample kit.
I also had an operation to repair a prolapsed hemorrhoid so now I'm a perfect a$$hole! ;-)
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Boyd
Bout 10 years ago I got sick to my stomach and could not pee. Cat takes me to the emergency room. I have long hair and I think I
was stereo typed as being in withdrawals since I sat in the emergency room 8 hours before I started throwing up green stuff all over
the place. My prostrate was swelled up so big I could not pee. PSA # was 56 that is fifty-six. I layed in the hospital for a week
on intravenous antibiotics with doctors scratching their heads. I was getting better and prostrate and #s was going down. One day
the Dr came in and sat down in the chair and just sat there like he didn`t know what to do. I was better to the point that the
catheter was removed I could drag my IV to the bathroom to pee. I happen to mentioned that it felt like I had air in my pee and I
could see the light bulb go off in his head. So next thing I know there is a scope up my butt. Turns out I had Diverticulitis and a
fistula had attached itself to my bladder and created a canal between my intestines and my bladder and I was peeing poop which
infected everstuff. So after a colon resection and a new trainee Dr working with the specialists just happen to check my gall
bladder while he was in there (it was shriveled up and was rotting) and removed it I came out fine. Last PSA check was 1.2 at
hospital this week. It is still enlarged some but Dr says OK for an old man.
There have been so many advancements in medicine in just the past few years it is amazing what they can tell with a blood test.
Get the blood test.
--
C. Boyd
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