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| Re: [GMCnet] Interesting Article On OPEC & the USA [message #226052 is a reply to message #226040] |
Fri, 18 October 2013 08:52   |
GeorgeRud
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Seems like energy independence is a wonderful goal to reach. However, between political wrangling, EPA requirements, and other factors, it may not come around as quickly as we'd like.
Thanks for the link, it was an interesting article.
George Rudawsky
Chicago, IL
75 Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] Interesting Article On OPEC & the USA [message #226181 is a reply to message #226178] |
Sat, 19 October 2013 02:21 |
Bruce Hart
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News item on Fracking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUNBwqovI9U
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 12:43 AM, Mickey Space Ship Shuttle <
mickeysss@me.com> wrote:
> need to trick that fricken fracken, man!
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> mickey anaheim ca fronican dude!, like playa way! 77
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> get well dan, get well. think gmc great memories created. Keep them
> coming. the other dan of course.
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> i tricked this thread. wiki leaks for ever. whistle blow on it. heal that
> thing. get it on and out. voodo, like go away. bd thing.
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> On Oct 18, 2013, at 9:48 PM, Dan Borlase wrote:
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> > Francois...fracking has been a standard practice in Canada for over 40
> years with no scientifically verified negative consequences...the exception
> is in the minds of misguided environmentalists...
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| Re: [GMCnet] Interesting Article On OPEC & the USA [message #226186 is a reply to message #226183] |
Sat, 19 October 2013 06:41 |
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Dan
I can't say I agree with you on this one, but we can save debate until we
have a few cold ones . <g>
Mike in NS
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 6:02 AM, Espen Heitmann <bimet@online.no> wrote:
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> Well I guess you will need to be self independence when it comes to
> natural gas, you might be able to export some of it to south america and
> canada, but I would not be thinking of exporting it to europe, russia and
> norway will handle that part, just the norwegian natural gas reserves are
> calculated to last + 200 years..
>
> Oh congratulations on reaching a new level of national depts by the way,
> your goverment now owes a wopping $ 17.000.000.000.000 8o
> --
> 1973 26' Parrot green Seqouia in Norway
> "Loffen" translates to white bread, it is also a nick name for your.. well
> you know..down there.. and it was my dog's name, but hey you can also call
> me Espen ;)
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| Re: [GMCnet] Interesting Article On OPEC & the USA [message #226202 is a reply to message #226183] |
Sat, 19 October 2013 10:06 |
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Espen,
Do you think the US can fix the problem by adopting the Norwegian tax rates?
Corporate tax: 28%
Individual (min): 0%
Individual (max): 47.8%
Payroll tax (usually reduces taxable income): 14.128%
VAT / GST / Sales Primary tax articles: 25% or 15% (food & drink in shops) or 8% (transportation, cinema, hotel rooms)
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Espen Heitmann
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 4:03 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Interesting Article On OPEC & the USA
Well I guess you will need to be self independence when it comes to natural gas, you might be able to export some of it to south
america and canada, but I would not be thinking of exporting it to europe, russia and norway will handle that part, just the
norwegian natural gas reserves are calculated to last + 200 years..
Oh congratulations on reaching a new level of national depts by the way, your goverment now owes a wopping $ 17.000.000.000.000 8o
--
1973 26' Parrot green Seqouia in Norway
"Loffen" translates to white bread, it is also a nick name for your.. well you know..down there.. and it was my dog's name, but hey
you can also call me Espen ;)
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| Re: [GMCnet] Interesting Article On OPEC & the USA [message #226212 is a reply to message #226202] |
Sat, 19 October 2013 11:39 |
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No, your problem are the politicans.. and banks..
Take a look at this video by the way, a lot of sence said there.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151899681508984
And yes Rob we have high taxes, but we do also get something back, how much do you pay for that health care insurance did you say ?
Oh do you have to pay for your kids high school education, really ?
You get my point Rob 
| Robert Mueller wrote on Sat, 19 October 2013 17:06 |
Espen,
Do you think the US can fix the problem by adopting the Norwegian tax rates?
Corporate tax: 28%
Individual (min): 0%
Individual (max): 47.8%
Payroll tax (usually reduces taxable income): 14.128%
VAT / GST / Sales Primary tax articles: 25% or 15% (food & drink in shops) or 8% (transportation, cinema, hotel rooms)
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Espen Heitmann
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 4:03 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Interesting Article On OPEC & the USA
Well I guess you will need to be self independence when it comes to natural gas, you might be able to export some of it to south
america and canada, but I would not be thinking of exporting it to europe, russia and norway will handle that part, just the
norwegian natural gas reserves are calculated to last + 200 years..
Oh congratulations on reaching a new level of national depts by the way, your goverment now owes a wopping $ 17.000.000.000.000 
--
1973 26' Parrot green Seqouia in Norway
"Loffen" translates to white bread, it is also a nick name for your.. well you know..down there.. and it was my dog's name, but hey
you can also call me Espen 
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| Re: [GMCnet] Interesting Article On OPEC & the USA [message #226218 is a reply to message #226212] |
Sat, 19 October 2013 11:53 |
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Espen,
I was trying to be subtle and let you know that in my opinion people that aren't citizens of a country shouldn't make smart ass
comments like:
"Oh congratulations on reaching a new level of national depts by the way, your goverment now owes a wopping $ 17.000.000.000.000."
I could continue this discussion but this is not the place for it.
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Espen Heitmann
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 11:40 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Interesting Article On OPEC & the USA
No, your problem are the politicans.. and banks..
Take a look at this video by the way, a lot of sence said there.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151899681508984
And yes Rob we have high taxes, but we do also get something back, how much do you pay for that health care insurance did you say?
Oh do you have to pay for your kids high school education, really ?
You get my point Rob :)
Robert Mueller wrote on Sat, 19 October 2013 17:06
> Espen,
>
> Do you think the US can fix the problem by adopting the Norwegian tax rates?
>
> Corporate tax: 28%
> Individual (min): 0%
> Individual (max): 47.8%
> Payroll tax (usually reduces taxable income): 14.128%
> VAT / GST / Sales Primary tax articles: 25% or 15% (food & drink in shops) or 8% (transportation, cinema, hotel rooms)
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> USAussie - Downunder
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Espen Heitmann
> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 4:03 AM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Interesting Article On OPEC & the USA
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>
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> Well I guess you will need to be self independence when it comes to natural gas, you might be able to export some of it to south
> america and canada, but I would not be thinking of exporting it to europe, russia and norway will handle that part, just the
> norwegian natural gas reserves are calculated to last + 200 years..
>
> Oh congratulations on reaching a new level of national depts by the way, your goverment now owes a wopping $ 17.000.000.000.000
8o
> --
> 1973 26' Parrot green Seqouia in Norway
> "Loffen" translates to white bread, it is also a nick name for your.. well you know..down there.. and it was my dog's name, but
hey
> you can also call me Espen ;)
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| Re: [GMCnet] Interesting Article On OPEC & the USA [message #226223 is a reply to message #226218] |
Sat, 19 October 2013 12:15 |
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Well I would agree with you on people that aren't citizens of a country shouldn't make smart ass comments,but and there is a BIG but here, the US economy is still the world economy and when it falls it will have effects on rest of the world including my country.
So when your economy is run by people that have a goal of making them self rich without consern of their country and citizens smart ass comments is in it's place.
But please do not get me wrong, I love the US and it's people, I just do not understand how the citizens will allow it to go down the drain becouse of greed...
Then the discussion is over for my part, maybe we can take it up over a couple of beer's once in the future
| Robert Mueller wrote on Sat, 19 October 2013 18:53 |
Espen,
I was trying to be subtle and let you know that in my opinion people that aren't citizens of a country shouldn't make smart ass
comments like:
"Oh congratulations on reaching a new level of national depts by the way, your goverment now owes a wopping $ 17.000.000.000.000."
I could continue this discussion but this is not the place for it.
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
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1973 23' # 1848 Sky Blue Glacier called Baby Blue and a 1973 26'-3 # 1460 Parrot green Seqouia Known as the Big Green,
And sold my 1973 26'-2 # 581 White Canyon lands under the name Dobbelt trøbbel
in Norway
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| Re: [GMCnet] Interesting Article On OPEC & the USA [message #226225 is a reply to message #226223] |
Sat, 19 October 2013 12:38 |
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I agree, it was just the way it came across.
IMO fiscal irresponsibility is rampant in the USA all levels.
I have never been to Norway but the few people I've met of Norwegian descent I've liked.
I did make the mistake of asking one if he was Swedish and he noted; "ten thousand Swedes ran through the weeds chased by one
Norwegian."
Kinda like asking a Canadian if he's American or a New Zealander if he's Australian. ;-)
Regards,
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: Espen Heitmann
Well I would agree with you on people that aren't citizens of a country shouldn't make smart ass comments,but and there is a BIG but
here, the US economy is still the world economy and when it falls it will have effects on rest of the world including my country.
So when your economy is run by people that have a goal of making them self rich without consern of their country and citizens smart
ass comments is in it's place.
But please do not get me wrong, I love the US and it's people, I just do not understand how the citizens will allow it to go down
the drain becouse of greed...
Then the discussion is over for my part, maybe we can take it up over a couple of beer's once in the future :)
1973 26' Parrot green Seqouia in Norway
"Loffen" translates to white bread, it is also a nick name for your.. well you know..down there.. and it was my dog's name, but hey
you can also call me Espen ;)
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Sydney, Australia
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'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Interesting Article On OPEC & the USA [message #226228 is a reply to message #226225] |
Sat, 19 October 2013 12:57 |
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Hi Rob,
My Grandmother came from Norway and Grandfather from Sweden = landed in
North Dakota and wagon trained it across to southern Alberta. I hope that
is enough for you to like me!!!!
On our trip last year across Canada and down through the States to New
Orleans than across to Texas where we met a couple on the cruise we took
out of Galveston. THe US vice presidential debate was being televised at
teh time and I mentioned I was going to my room to watch it. He was
surprised and asked me why and where did I stand - Right - center - or
Left. I told him - much to his surprise. He then asked me where Sharon
stood on this - and again he was surprised. He said "I thought all
Canadians were left wind Socialists" .
In 1992 I went in with a few others to inspect Romanian Orphanages under
the request of a small town Mayor. What we viewed in the Orphanages and
hospitals was alarming. Their Social system had failed them badly - It
went from Socialism to Dictatorship. The Leadership was corrupt and the
people held in bondage - all the time being told they had the best. They
had free medical - but in order to get proper attention you had to pay
under the table. To get accepted in a Free University you had to pay the
directors under the table. All the while you had your water cut off 6 hrs
a day, very limited food selection, poor infastructure and and could go on
and on.
The more government gets involved the less freedom we have. You will note
that the majority of govt leadership have gone through school - possibly
secondary education then into social working (paid by the govt, (the
people) then into politics. never having run a private business where they
have to make ends meet.
Enough said.
We are to help the poor in this world not use them for our gain.
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>wrote:
> I agree, it was just the way it came across.
>
> IMO fiscal irresponsibility is rampant in the USA all levels.
>
> I have never been to Norway but the few people I've met of Norwegian
> descent I've liked.
>
> I did make the mistake of asking one if he was Swedish and he noted; "ten
> thousand Swedes ran through the weeds chased by one
> Norwegian."
>
> Kinda like asking a Canadian if he's American or a New Zealander if he's
> Australian. ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Rob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Espen Heitmann
>
> Well I would agree with you on people that aren't citizens of a country
> shouldn't make smart ass comments,but and there is a BIG but
> here, the US economy is still the world economy and when it falls it will
> have effects on rest of the world including my country.
>
> So when your economy is run by people that have a goal of making them self
> rich without consern of their country and citizens smart
> ass comments is in it's place.
>
> But please do not get me wrong, I love the US and it's people, I just do
> not understand how the citizens will allow it to go down
> the drain becouse of greed...
>
> Then the discussion is over for my part, maybe we can take it up over a
> couple of beer's once in the future :)
>
> 1973 26' Parrot green Seqouia in Norway
> "Loffen" translates to white bread, it is also a nick name for your.. well
> you know..down there.. and it was my dog's name, but hey
> you can also call me Espen ;)
>
>
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