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Mon, 14 October 2013 16:26  |
Bruce Hart
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Just a passing thought to the community. When changing out the engine oil there is the extra quart that stays in the upper portion of the oil pan. After draining the hot oil out and by adding a quart of oil at room temp would flow down to the front of the oil pan and displace some if not most of the oil left in the upper portion of the pan. Would the cooler oil sink and cause the hotter oil to flow over into the side of pan with the drain? I am sure at some point that the temperature difference would be null.
Bruce Hart
1976 Palm Beach
1977 28' Kingsley
La Grange, Wyoming
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| Re: [GMCnet] Oil Change [message #225650 is a reply to message #225644] |
Mon, 14 October 2013 17:41  |
Bruce Hart
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When you add oil from the front doesn't it passes over the timing gears and
drains into the front end of oil pan?
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Emery Stora <emerystora@me.com> wrote:
> I am not sure that the quart you put in would flow down the front of the
> pan.
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> EmeryvStora
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> On Oct 14, 2013, at 3:26 PM, Bruce Hart <hartsgmc@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Just a passing thought to the community. When changing out the engine
> oil there is the extra quart that stays in the upper portion of the oil
> pan. After draining the hot oil out and by adding a quart of oil at room
> temp would flow down to the front of the oil pan and displace some if not
> most of the oil left in the upper portion of the pan. Would the cooler oil
> sink and cause the hotter oil to flow over into the side of pan with the
> drain? I am sure at some point that the temperature difference would be
> null.
> > --
> > Bruce Hart
> > 1976 Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] Oil Change [message #225651 is a reply to message #225650] |
Mon, 14 October 2013 17:49 |
Emery Stora
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I don't know which is why I said that "I am not sure".
Emery Stora
On Oct 14, 2013, at 4:41 PM, Bruce Hart <hartsgmc@gmail.com> wrote:
> When you add oil from the front doesn't it passes over the timing gears and
> drains into the front end of oil pan?
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> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Emery Stora <emerystora@me.com> wrote:
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>> I am not sure that the quart you put in would flow down the front of the
>> pan.
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>> EmeryvStora
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>> On Oct 14, 2013, at 3:26 PM, Bruce Hart <hartsgmc@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Just a passing thought to the community. When changing out the engine
>> oil there is the extra quart that stays in the upper portion of the oil
>> pan. After draining the hot oil out and by adding a quart of oil at room
>> temp would flow down to the front of the oil pan and displace some if not
>> most of the oil left in the upper portion of the pan. Would the cooler oil
>> sink and cause the hotter oil to flow over into the side of pan with the
>> drain? I am sure at some point that the temperature difference would be
>> null.
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>>> 1976 Palm Beach
>>> Milliken, Co
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| Re: Oil Change [message #225655 is a reply to message #225640] |
Mon, 14 October 2013 18:41 |
Wander Inn
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Try leaving the drain plug out when adding oil, see if the
oil clean or dirty.
Mike
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| Re: [GMCnet] Oil Change [message #225658 is a reply to message #225655] |
Mon, 14 October 2013 18:49 |
Bruce Hart
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When I removed the oil plug again it did look dirty, but that could have
been a mixture of clean and used.
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Mike & Chris Hughes <whose1938@gmail.com>wrote:
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> Try leaving the drain plug out when adding oil, see if the
> oil clean or dirty.
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| Re: Oil Change [message #225672 is a reply to message #225640] |
Mon, 14 October 2013 19:29 |
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| Bruce Hart wrote on Mon, 14 October 2013 17:26 |
Just a passing thought to the community. When changing out the engine oil there is the extra quart that stays in the upper portion of the oil pan. After draining the hot oil out and by adding a quart of oil at room temp would flow down to the front of the oil pan and displace some if not most of the oil left in the upper portion of the pan. Would the cooler oil sink and cause the hotter oil to flow over into the side of pan with the drain? I am sure at some point that the temperature difference would be null.
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Bruce,
That is real good thing to not worry about.
There is also most of a quart that doesn't drain out of the heads, lifters, rockers, balance holes, not to mention the lube oil cooler. In engine building, this is called oil hang up and it causes no problems in most all engines. (Except in test labs that are trying to do precise lube oil consumption testing.) Our engines just have more that we know about because it is in one place.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: Oil Change [message #225692 is a reply to message #225640] |
Mon, 14 October 2013 21:29 |
JohnL455
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Also as soon as the drain stream becomes 'punctuated' the plug and new pre filled filter go back on Since there will be more than normal dry time at startup, I want that residual film still present at first restart without a long drain down time. I disagree with leaving the plug out overnite to get out 'more' as some do on their vehicles. As Matt said it's still puddled in the low spots. Adding 5 quarts with the '1 dirty qt in the pan' it is so clean on the stick it's hard to read for the first few hundred miles. If there is a severe sludging problem, the pan would have to come off to properly clean out. My engine from the PO was that way and multiple changes didn't get it out till tear down where we scraped a pint of sludge out. Same theory with coolant. Just drain and fill every 2 years and the new will dilute the remaining old still in there and refresh the additives in the system.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] Oil Change [message #225812 is a reply to message #225712] |
Wed, 16 October 2013 01:30 |
Bruce Hart
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Thanks for the input.
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 6:51 AM, botiemad . <botiemad11@gmail.com> wrote:
> I did that for years on my GMC. Usually took a quart to get clean to start
> draining out of the pan.
> Steve F.
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> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Bruce Hart <hartsgmc@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >
> >
> > Just a passing thought to the community. When changing out the engine
> oil
> > there is the extra quart that stays in the upper portion of the oil pan.
> > After draining the hot oil out and by adding a quart of oil at room temp
> > would flow down to the front of the oil pan and displace some if not most
> > of the oil left in the upper portion of the pan. Would the cooler oil
> sink
> > and cause the hotter oil to flow over into the side of pan with the
> drain?
> > I am sure at some point that the temperature difference would be null.
> > --
> > Bruce Hart
> > 1976 Palm Beach
> > Milliken, Co
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| Re: [GMCnet] Oil Change [message #225813 is a reply to message #225812] |
Wed, 16 October 2013 01:36 |
Bruce Hart
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It seems that one could remove most of the oil from the front of the oil
pan without putting in the extra drain plug. It would also require the
same 6 quarts of oil to be put back in if one did have the front oil plug.
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 12:30 AM, Bruce Hart <hartsgmc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the input.
>
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> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 6:51 AM, botiemad . <botiemad11@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> I did that for years on my GMC. Usually took a quart to get clean to
>> start
>> draining out of the pan.
>> Steve F.
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>> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Bruce Hart <hartsgmc@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Just a passing thought to the community. When changing out the engine
>> oil
>> > there is the extra quart that stays in the upper portion of the oil pan.
>> > After draining the hot oil out and by adding a quart of oil at room temp
>> > would flow down to the front of the oil pan and displace some if not
>> most
>> > of the oil left in the upper portion of the pan. Would the cooler oil
>> sink
>> > and cause the hotter oil to flow over into the side of pan with the
>> drain?
>> > I am sure at some point that the temperature difference would be null.
>> > --
>> > Bruce Hart
>> > 1976 Palm Beach
>> > Milliken, Co
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> Steve
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