GMCforum
For enthusiast of the Classic GMC Motorhome built from 1973 to 1978. A web-based mirror of the GMCnet mailing list.

Home » Public Forums » GMCnet » What is this Relay/Switch ??
What is this Relay/Switch ?? [message #225102] Thu, 10 October 2013 17:37 Go to next message
Manong is currently offline  Manong   United States
Messages: 88
Registered: July 2007
Location: Madison, WI
Karma: 0
Member
Anyone know what this relay/switch is for or does ? It has only a red wire to it and then from it routed to the driver side of coach into area under dash. Once it goes into coach under dash area I cannot locate where it is and what it is attached to. I installed the dash so good that I can't see where it comes in nor what it is attached to.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/1974-gmc-restoration/p51280-unkown-relay.html


Manong
Madison, WI
Re: What is this Relay/Switch ?? [message #225104 is a reply to message #225102] Thu, 10 October 2013 17:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
rickmike is currently offline  rickmike   United States
Messages: 252
Registered: September 2011
Location: United States
Karma: 0
Senior Member
I think that is the 50 amp circuit breaker between the house battery 12V system and the drivetrain 12V system.

Rick M.


1974 26' Canyonlands aka "The General" Clinton, TN
Re: [GMCnet] What is this Relay/Switch ?? [message #225106 is a reply to message #225102] Thu, 10 October 2013 17:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mr ERFisher is currently offline  Mr ERFisher   United States
Messages: 7117
Registered: August 2005
Karma: 2
Senior Member
50 amp breaker
http://www.bdub.net/12v-system.html


On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Tom Lopez <elitesdc@charter.net> wrote:

>
>
> Anyone know what this relay/switch is for or does ? It has only a red
> wire to it and then from it routed to the driver side of coach into area
> under dash. Once it goes into coach under dash area I cannot locate where
> it is and what it is attached to. I installed the dash so good that I
> can't see where it comes in nor what it is attached to.
>
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/1974-gmc-restoration/p51280-unkown-relay.html
> --
> Manong T, 74 GMC Sequoia
> Madison/De Forest, WI
>
> _______________________________________________
> GMCnet mailing list
> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
>



--
Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
“Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
-------
http://gmcmotorhome.info/
Alternator Protection Cable
http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist

Re: What is this Relay/Switch ?? [message #225144 is a reply to message #225102] Thu, 10 October 2013 21:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
midlf is currently offline  midlf   United States
Messages: 2212
Registered: July 2007
Location: SE Wisc. (Palmyra)
Karma: 1
Senior Member
TL wrote on Thu, 10 October 2013 17:37

Anyone know what this relay/switch is for or does ? It has only a red wire to it and then from it routed to the driver side of coach into area under dash. Once it goes into coach under dash area I cannot locate where it is and what it is attached to. I installed the dash so good that I can't see where it comes in nor what it is attached to.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/1974-gmc-restoration/p51280-unkown-relay.html



As noted it is a 50 amp circuit breaker. On your '74 the house battery is located up front. This breaker is connected between the house battery and the house circuits. It does not really go into the dash area but runs down the side of the coach to the house fuse panel located in the electrical cabinet next to the stove.


Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
Re: What is this Relay/Switch ?? [message #225163 is a reply to message #225144] Thu, 10 October 2013 23:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
hal kading is currently offline  hal kading   United States
Messages: 642
Registered: February 2004
Location: Las Cruces NM
Karma: 4
Senior Member
The actual relay (switch) is adjacent to the CB that you are pointing to. It bypasses the CB when the battery boost switch is engaged on the panel.

Hal Kading 78 Buskirk Las Cruces NM
Re: [GMCnet] What is this Relay/Switch ?? [message #225177 is a reply to message #225163] Fri, 11 October 2013 03:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Emery Stora is currently offline  Emery Stora   United States
Messages: 959
Registered: January 2011
Karma: 4
Senior Member
TJ
The reason the solenoid bypasses the 50 amp breaker when the boost switch is pressed is to allow more then 50 amps to flow to operate your engine starter when you press boost.

Emery Stora

On Oct 10, 2013, at 10:09 PM, Hal Kading <halkading@fastwave.biz> wrote:

>
>
> The actual relay (switch) is adjacent to the CB that you are pointing to. It bypasses the CB when the battery boost switch is engaged on the panel.
>
> Hal Kading 78 Buskirk Las Cruces NM
> _______________________________________________
> GMCnet mailing list
> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist

Re: What is this Relay/Switch ?? [message #225194 is a reply to message #225144] Fri, 11 October 2013 08:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Manong is currently offline  Manong   United States
Messages: 88
Registered: July 2007
Location: Madison, WI
Karma: 0
Member
So this wire that comes off this Breaker runs the entire house 12 volt system? It is also the wire that brings the charge from the progressive converter also located near the 12 volt panel near the stove to charge the house battery way up front? Is that correct? That's sure a long way and seems like a small wire to do so much.

As noted it is a 50 amp circuit breaker. On your '74 the house battery is located up front. This breaker is connected between the house battery and the house circuits. It does not really go into the dash area but runs down the side of the coach to the house fuse panel located in the electrical cabinet next to the stove.[/quote]


Manong
Madison, WI
Re: What is this Relay/Switch ?? [message #225211 is a reply to message #225194] Fri, 11 October 2013 10:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Manong is currently offline  Manong   United States
Messages: 88
Registered: July 2007
Location: Madison, WI
Karma: 0
Member
Steve and everyone,

This is a breaker. I just traced the wire coming from the house battery and to the breaker and from it and it does travel along the inside of the coach to the rear where my progressive dynamics power converter/charger is located. The red wire along with my converter/charger red wire are wound together and attached to the 12 volt fuse bar which powers the entire house 12 volt system. This wire apparently provides 12 volt from house battery and then also brings 12 volt charging power back to the front house battery and engine battery. I measured the volts at each point of contact including just the house battery and they all read the same 12.5 volts from front to rear. It is amazing that this one little wire is capable and responsible of handling all this with efficiency or am I missing something and it should be wired another way?? When I am plugged into shore ac power it seems like it takes a long long long time to charge the house and engine battery. The batteries got run down low once so I plugged into ac shore power and it took two days it seemed to bring batteries back up. I'm thinking the converter/charger should charge them faster than that or is this normal??


Manong
Madison, WI
Re: What is this Relay/Switch ?? [message #225240 is a reply to message #225211] Fri, 11 October 2013 13:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Matt Colie is currently offline  Matt Colie   United States
Messages: 8547
Registered: March 2007
Location: S.E. Michigan
Karma: 7
Senior Member
TL wrote on Fri, 11 October 2013 11:29

Steve and everyone,

This is a breaker. I just traced the wire coming from the house battery and to the breaker and from it and it does travel along the inside of the coach to the rear where my progressive dynamics power converter/charger is located. The red wire along with my converter/charger red wire are wound together and attached to the 12 volt fuse bar which powers the entire house 12 volt system. This wire apparently provides 12 volt from house battery and then also brings 12 volt charging power back to the front house battery and engine battery. I measured the volts at each point of contact including just the house battery and they all read the same 12.5 volts from front to rear. It is amazing that this one little wire is capable and responsible of handling all this with efficiency or am I missing something and it should be wired another way?? When I am plugged into shore ac power it seems like it takes a long long long time to charge the house and engine battery. The batteries got run down low once so I plugged into ac shore power and it took two days it seemed to bring batteries back up. I'm thinking the converter/charger should charge them faster than that or is this normal??

TL,

That is entirely normal. That is a 10AWG wire. At 40 amps (I expecting that to be the max of you converter/charger), I would expect a 0.4V drop. That will make the 14.2 become 13.8 at the battery which will delay the 90% bulk charge by about an hour, but the batteries capability to accept that rate of charge will also drop in that period and so the terminal voltage will rise. From there, it will take another 12 hours to get to near 100%. This is all based on you having a PD9240 for a C/C.

It comes around to that damn Peukert exponent. It gets you like taxes - both coming and going.

Matt


Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
Re: [GMCnet] What is this Relay/Switch ?? [message #225241 is a reply to message #225211] Fri, 11 October 2013 13:03 Go to previous message
Ken Henderson is currently offline  Ken Henderson   United States
Messages: 8726
Registered: March 2004
Location: Americus, GA
Karma: 9
Senior Member
Tom,

Don't forget about E=IR -- the effect of current flow through the
resistance of the wire. If you measure the voltage at each end of a wire
carrying no current (except for the tiny amount drawn by the meter) it will
be the same. If you measure those voltages with a heavy current, like the
40A maximum from a PD-9240, there will be a significant difference. Thus,
the wire may indeed be too small for the application. On the other hand,
if everything operates normally at the "destination end", it's probably
adequate. The size of the wire doesn't really have much to do with the
EVENTUAL charge state of the battery, since the current will taper off to
nothing as the battery voltage reaches that of the charger.

HTH,

Ken H.

On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Tom Lopez <elitesdc@charter.net> wrote:

>
>
> Steve and everyone,
>
> This is a breaker. I just traced the wire coming from the house battery
> and to the breaker and from it and it does travel along the inside of the
> coach to the rear where my progressive dynamics power converter/charger is
> located. The red wire along with my converter/charger red wire are wound
> together and attached to the 12 volt fuse bar which powers the entire house
> 12 volt system. This wire apparently provides 12 volt from house battery
> and then also brings 12 volt charging power back to the front house battery
> and engine battery. I measured the volts at each point of contact
> including just the house battery and they all read the same 12.5 volts from
> front to rear. It is amazing that this one little wire is capable and
> responsible of handling all this with efficiency or am I missing something
> and it should be wired another way?? When I am plugged into shore ac power
> it seems like it takes a long long long time to charge the house and
> engine battery. The batteries go
> t run down low once so I plugged into ac shore power and it took two days
> it seemed to bring batteries back up. I'm thinking the converter/charger
> should charge them faster than that or is this normal??
> --
> Manong T, 74 GMC Sequoia
> Madison/De Forest, WI
>
> _______________________________________________
> GMCnet mailing list
> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
>
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist



Ken Henderson
Americus, GA
www.gmcwipersetc.com
Large Wiring Diagrams
76 X-Birchaven
76 X-Palm Beach
Previous Topic: Re: [GMCnet] Has the same lines as a GMC.. Lot older.
Next Topic: window
Goto Forum:
  


Current Time: Thu Sep 19 05:45:55 CDT 2024

Total time taken to generate the page: 0.08775 seconds