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Thu, 03 October 2013 22:04  |
Hal StClair
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We recently bought a 1977 Royale from a nice couple in Henderson,NV. They had been the original owners of the MH in 77 and had given it to their nephew from Michigan in 2010. It looks like the original title had been lost so Michigan used whatever information they could find and issued a title (without a Vin inspection)as the coach was still in NV.
Long story short, Michigan used the Coachmen ID number on the title and not the TZE number. Even though both numbers are on the coach, NM will not recognize it and refuses to issue a title. Michigan says they can not do anything by mail and don't have records going back that far. Driving it to Michigan is out of the question. The only possibility I see is to get the nephew to bring the title to DMV and try to get it resolved. Knowing DMV's, I'm not too confident in the outcome. Anyone have any ideas?
Thanks, Hal
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."
1977 Royale 101348,
1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,
1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,
Rio Rancho, NM
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| Re: DMV issues [message #224480 is a reply to message #224479] |
Thu, 03 October 2013 22:52  |
Hal StClair
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I thought about the 'lost' title but figured they would find the Michigan title-but then again, maybe it would go back to the original CA title which should have the right numbers. I'll have to look into it a little more.
Thanks, Hal
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."
1977 Royale 101348,
1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,
1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,
Rio Rancho, NM
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| Re: DMV issues [message #224484 is a reply to message #224480] |
Thu, 03 October 2013 23:51 |
jturbo
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Most states don't share DMV Records or title info.
So your best bet is to go with bill of sale.
This is how the Criminals sell water damaged cars state to state as they wash the title by registering in another state.
I know this as I had an NSX that was totaled and was really ruined and after the insurance totaled it I saw it for sale in Florida as a low mileage car on the Dupont car registry.
1978 Royal 403
1977 Birchaven 455
1977 Kingsley 455
All under Upgrading and restoration
Rosemead California
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| Re: DMV issues [message #224491 is a reply to message #224478] |
Fri, 04 October 2013 05:52 |
BRDRVR
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hal. i have titled 7 units in nevada from all over the country and one from canada with a shady bill of sale. they teletype the information to the sellers state. it takes a while but i have yet to have them deny titling. if your sellers are in nevada you can probably get it done with a bill of sale and they will research the original michigan title and issue it that way. but your going to have to take the coach back to nevada as they require a vin inspection at the dmv office on any out of state vehicle. goodluck
David Gourdine
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booking@blackrockdesertrvrental.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] DMV issues [message #224528 is a reply to message #224478] |
Fri, 04 October 2013 13:16 |
jhbridges
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Welcome to the bureaucracy! Mine's the same way, but at least I had a Florida title, so the locals tagged it and issued a title based on that. I'm about 6 months into trying to get it changed to the TZE. So far. Does not NM have a procedure for salvage vehicles? In Georgia you can eventually take the vehicle to an Inspector (any sworn officer, usually the local sheriff) and point at the patent plate and say "There!". He fills out a form and eventually you get a title from it.
--johnny
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On Fri, 10/4/13, Hal StClair <eaglefabrication1@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: [GMCnet] DMV issues
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Friday, October 4, 2013, 3:04 AM
We recently bought a 1977 Royale from a nice couple in
Henderson,NV. They had been the original owners of the MH in
77 and had given it to their nephew from Michigan in 2010.
It looks like the original title had been lost so Michigan
used whatever information they could find and issued a title
(without a Vin inspection)as the coach was still in NV.
Long story short, Michigan used the Coachmen ID number on
the title and not the TZE number. Even though both numbers
are on the coach, NM will not recognize it and refuses to
issue a title. Michigan says they can not do anything by
mail and don't have records going back that far. Driving it
to Michigan is out of the question. The only possibility I
see is to get the nephew to bring the title to DMV and try
to get it resolved. Knowing DMV's, I'm not too confident in
the outcome. Anyone have any ideas?
Thanks, Hal
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| Re: DMV issues [message #224534 is a reply to message #224491] |
Fri, 04 October 2013 14:09 |
Hal StClair
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You must be a resident of Nevada to title it there. New Mexico refuses to do anything without the correct numbers on the title, even after seeing what was done. Like I said the numbers are the same as on the title as the Coachmen number and there is NO question everything is ligit, they just refuse to change a title.
Hal
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."
1977 Royale 101348,
1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,
1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,
Rio Rancho, NM
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| Re: DMV issues [message #224545 is a reply to message #224478] |
Fri, 04 October 2013 16:27 |
BRDRVR
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Hal. You do not have to be a resident of Nevada. I live in florida and have a florida d/l. You do need a Nevada address and I have a POBox but I would think you could use the sellers address as it seems they should have some responsibility of aiding your efforts.
David Gourdine
http//www.blackrockdesertrvrental.com
booking@blackrockdesertrvrental.com
727-657-1955
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| Re: DMV issues [message #224587 is a reply to message #224478] |
Fri, 04 October 2013 21:42 |
Hal StClair
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I lived in Nevada from 1967 until I retired 4 years ago. I changed my DL to NM so everything would be legal although I still own property (a condo in Henderson and an RV lot in Boulder City). Nevada requires a Nevada drivers licence to register a vehicle. I don't know how one can get around that issue and to be honest, the MVD here seems to be easier to deal with than Nevada's. That being said, it's irrational for them not to see the problem and to correct it on this vehicle. The 'rules' say they can't alter a title although they have done it before-they transposed a couple of numbers on a title which required me to go down and have a re-inspection of the vin and they did correct it. That after having to prove I had insurance on the vehicle that the vin's differed.
Anyway, thanks for the suggestions.
Hal
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."
1977 Royale 101348,
1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,
1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,
Rio Rancho, NM
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| Re: DMV issues [message #224616 is a reply to message #224478] |
Sat, 05 October 2013 08:01 |
BRDRVR
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Hal. Im not gonna argue with here on the forum but you absolutely do not need a Nev D/L to title and register a vehical in Nev as long as you have a Nev address and proof of insurance. Regardless, goodluck.
David Gourdine
http//www.blackrockdesertrvrental.com
booking@blackrockdesertrvrental.com
727-657-1955
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| Re: DMV issues [message #224632 is a reply to message #224616] |
Sat, 05 October 2013 11:57 |
roy1
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| BRDRVR wrote on Sat, 05 October 2013 06:01 |
Hal. Im not gonna argue with here on the forum but you absolutely do not need a Nev D/L to title and register a vehical in Nev as long as you have a Nev address and proof of insurance. Regardless, goodluck.
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When. I was without a home base as I sold my house in calif and was renting out my house in Nevada. I used the address of mail box etc. for which I had an account. The DMV said no mail box addresses accepted but I needed an address so I did it anyway. They gave me the plates just don't register to vote they will catch that.
Roy Keen
Minden,NV
76 X Glenbrook
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| Re: DMV issues [message #224645 is a reply to message #224632] |
Sat, 05 October 2013 13:40 |
Hal StClair
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I guess it depends on who you're working with at DMV in NV. We kept our converted bus registered in NV until last year. When we tried to license it last year they asked for a NV drivers license on the online site and there was no way around it.
Not trying to start an argument, but that's how it worked for us.
Hal
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."
1977 Royale 101348,
1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,
1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,
Rio Rancho, NM
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| Re: DMV issues [message #224647 is a reply to message #224478] |
Sat, 05 October 2013 15:25 |
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My experience is that most DMV employees will say "no" to almost any questions asked over the phone. In person they are much better. I was told I could not license my 1976 Royale as a classic vehicle. I took all documentation, included copies of the requirements for classic vehicle registration, to the local independent incensing office, and left with my classic vehicle registration.
1977 Birchaven, Lynnwood WA - "We may not be able to stop all evil in the world, but I know that how we treat one another is entirely up to us."
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| Re: DMV issues [message #224691 is a reply to message #224647] |
Sun, 06 October 2013 10:56 |
Ken Burton
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I was wondering when they changed the rules to only licensed drives could own vehicles. My 92 year old mother and my legally blind brother both own registered vehicles without a driver's license.
I wonder what driver's license Hertz shows when they register a vehicle in Nevada? I think what they want is positive id and they are use to saying show me a driver's license. My brother runs into that occasionally and he shows them a passport which does not have your address on it.
Ken Burton - N9KB
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Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] DMV issues [message #224706 is a reply to message #224703] |
Sun, 06 October 2013 13:07 |
Ken Burton
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| Sammy Williams wrote on Sun, 06 October 2013 12:42 |
Hertz uses corporate ID numbers to register cars under their LLC name in
all the states they purchase cars.
As for the GMC title issue check with the DMV where its parked. You could
get a bill of sale from the P.O. and use that in states like GA where there
is no title for older cars. or use a title service like others have stated.
S. WIlliams
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Ken Burton <n9cv@comcast.net> wrote:
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> I was wondering when they changed the rules to only licensed drives could
> own vehicles. My 92 year old mother and my legally blind brother both own
> registered vehicles without a driver's license.
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> I wonder what driver's license Hertz shows when they register a vehicle in
> Nevada? I think what they want is positive id and they are use to saying
> show me a driver's license. My brother runs into that occasionally and he
> shows them a passport which does not have your address on it.
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> Ken Burton - N9KB
> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] DMV issues [message #224707 is a reply to message #224706] |
Sun, 06 October 2013 13:11 |
Ken Burton
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My point exactly.
So there are other way to register a vehicle other than having a driver's license.
As I said before my mother and my brother both have registered and insured cars but do not have driver's licenses.
My niece drives them around.
| Ken Burton wrote on Sun, 06 October 2013 13:07 |
| Sammy Williams wrote on Sun, 06 October 2013 12:42 |
Hertz uses corporate ID numbers to register cars under their LLC name in
all the states they purchase cars.
As for the GMC title issue check with the DMV where its parked. You could
get a bill of sale from the P.O. and use that in states like GA where there
is no title for older cars. or use a title service like others have stated.
S. WIlliams
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Ken Burton <n9cv@comcast.net> wrote:
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> I was wondering when they changed the rules to only licensed drives could
> own vehicles. My 92 year old mother and my legally blind brother both own
> registered vehicles without a driver's license.
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> I wonder what driver's license Hertz shows when they register a vehicle in
> Nevada? I think what they want is positive id and they are use to saying
> show me a driver's license. My brother runs into that occasionally and he
> shows them a passport which does not have your address on it.
> --
> Ken Burton - N9KB
> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] DMV issues [message #224832 is a reply to message #224707] |
Mon, 07 October 2013 22:10 |
Hal StClair
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Well, the nephew brought the title in to DMV today and the state has it and say they will let him know within 10 days.
Another forum member called and talked to me about the issue and shed some more light on things. It seems that Coachmen stamped their own numbers onto the frame and along with their tag calling it a vin number, I can see how it would be confusing. I guess if Michigan won't change the paperwork I can try another office and show the frame number and dash data plate and hopefully register it with those numbers.
Hoping for the best. Hal
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."
1977 Royale 101348,
1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,
1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,
Rio Rancho, NM
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