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Otterwan
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Regarding the 120v breaker panel in my 1976 Royale. The breakers have sevaral wires going to the bottom ends. The ones toward the front are secured by screws. The ones toward the back, that come from the hot buss at the top, have no apparent means of being secured. I have pulled out the breakers but the wires just appear to be inserted into the breaker bottom with no apparent fastener. Short (no pun intended) of pulling everything apart, can someone tell me what secures these wires?
1977 Birchaven, Lynnwood WA - "We may not be able to stop all evil in the world, but I know that how we treat one another is entirely up to us."
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| Re: Breaker panel question [message #224113 is a reply to message #224111] |
Mon, 30 September 2013 15:05  |
tphipps
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Friction, and a belief system? Not secured into the breaker bar? Wow! Accident waiting to happen? Wish I could help.
Tom, MS II
2012 Phoenix Cruiser model 2552
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| Re: [GMCnet] Breaker panel question [message #224123 is a reply to message #224111] |
Mon, 30 September 2013 16:58 |
Steve Jess
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David,
I know some light switches and power outlets use a push-in connector. You push the wire in the hole and a metal ratchet locks it in place. Could be the same here. To remove the wire, look for an opening next to the spot where the wire goes in. With the power off, insert an awl or a small screwdriver, push a metal tab inside the opening, and give the wire a tug.
Steve Jess - Aguanga, CA
1977 GMC Palm Beach "The DreamLiner"The 10,000 pound antique Home Theater with plumbing
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> Regarding the 120v breaker panel in my 1976 Royale. The breakers have sevaral wires going to the bottom ends. The ones toward the front are secured by screws. The ones toward the back, that come from the hot buss at the top, have no apparent means of being secured. I have pulled out the breakers but the wires just appear to be inserted into the breaker bottom with no apparent fastener. Short (no pun intended) of pulling everything apart, can someone tell me what secures these wires?
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> 1976 Royale "Twinkie II", 1978 Palm Beach with front end fire. Lynnwood WA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Breaker panel question [message #224128 is a reply to message #224126] |
Mon, 30 September 2013 18:35 |
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| Ken Burton wrote on Mon, 30 September 2013 15:57 |
Picture?
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Ken, I'll try. Kind of hard to get in there with a camera. This breaker panel doesn't resemble anything I can find in the owner's or service manuals. It has mutually exclusive breakers for the shore power and Onan, no way to turn them both on at the same time since turning one on turns off the other. From what I have been reading about Coachman the exception is to be expected.
1977 Birchaven, Lynnwood WA - "We may not be able to stop all evil in the world, but I know that how we treat one another is entirely up to us."
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| Re: [GMCnet] Breaker panel question [message #224169 is a reply to message #224128] |
Tue, 01 October 2013 07:39 |
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That's why they bought Norris. Instead of exclusive breakers, my (Norris upfit) coach has a seperate wall switch "Air Conditioner" "Water heater" take your pick. It also had a wall switch in the lav under the vanity "Shore power" "Generator Power". Since I had just replaced some open frame 30 amp AC relays, when the latter switch disintegrated, I replaced it with a relay. When you're on shore power, the relay pulss in and connects it, otherwise it is hooked to the genset. The coach is also, to my dismay wired with solid AC wiring.
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
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On Mon, 9/30/13, David Orders <dao@oarsllc.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Breaker panel question
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Date: Monday, September 30, 2013, 11:35 PM
Ken Burton wrote on Mon, 30 September 2013 15:57
> Picture?
Ken, I'll try. Kind of hard to get in there with a camera.
This breaker panel doesn't resemble anything I can find in
the owner's or service manuals. It has mutually exclusive
breakers for the shore power and Onan, no way to turn them
both on at the same time since turning one on turns off the
other. From what I have been reading about Coachman the
exception is to be expected.
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1976 Royale "Twinkie II", 1978 Palm Beach with front end
fire. Lynnwood WA
“Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile
in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you are a
mile away from them and you have their shoes.”
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| Re: Breaker panel question [message #224186 is a reply to message #224111] |
Tue, 01 October 2013 11:05 |
Gary Mau
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My 76 Royale has a Square D "QO" load center in it which I assume you have also unless your PO changed it. I believe the rear wires you are referring to are ground fault breaker leads which go to the neutral bus across the top rather than a power buss.
Gary Mau
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Davenport, IA
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| Re: Breaker panel question [message #224189 is a reply to message #224186] |
Tue, 01 October 2013 11:39 |
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| Gary Mau wrote on Tue, 01 October 2013 09:05 |
My 76 Royale has a Square D "QO" load center in it which I assume you have also unless your PO changed it. I believe the rear wires you are referring to are ground fault breaker leads which go to the neutral bus across the top rather than a power buss.
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That sounds like it. The left breaker is for the Onan, the next for shore power, and they are bridged by a metal rocker so that you can't turn them both on at the same time. The next two are for AC, furnace and outlets. The right one has a "push to test" button on it, though I'm not sure what it is testing for.
The wire I am referring to is sort of curly like an old phone cord, and goes from the rear bottom of the breakers to the silver buss bar along the top. It is stranded wire, all the others are solid. The one going into the Onan breaker seems loose, but I can't figure any way to tighten it.
1977 Birchaven, Lynnwood WA - "We may not be able to stop all evil in the world, but I know that how we treat one another is entirely up to us."
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| Re: [GMCnet] Breaker panel question [message #224192 is a reply to message #224189] |
Tue, 01 October 2013 11:48 |
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Since you have a Royale made from a GMC Transmode, Coachmen used a different breaker set up. So anyone with a standard GM built GMC motorhome has a different setup.
You have to get feedback from a Royale owner.
I don't have a Royale but I am familiar with its setup.
The push to test is to test the ground fault interrupter. When you push that button the circuit should open and then you have to press the reset button to reset it.
That extra wire does indeed go to the neutral buss.
If you need more information on ground fault interrupters I suggest that you check on the Internet.
Emery Stora
On Oct 1, 2013, at 10:39 AM, David Orders wrote:
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> Gary Mau wrote on Tue, 01 October 2013 09:05
>> My 76 Royale has a Square D "QO" load center in it which I assume you have also unless your PO changed it. I believe the rear wires you are referring to are ground fault breaker leads which go to the neutral bus across the top rather than a power buss.
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> That sounds like it. The left breaker is for the Onan, the next for shore power, and they are bridged by a metal rocker so that you can't turn them both on at the same time. The next two are for AC, furnace and outlets. The right one has a "push to test" button on it, though I'm not sure what it is testing for.
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> The wire I am referring to is sort of curly like an old phone cord, and goes from the rear bottom of the breakers to the silver buss bar along the top. It is stranded wire, all the others are solid. The one going into the Onan breaker seems loose, but I can't figure any way to tighten it.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Breaker panel question [message #224248 is a reply to message #224169] |
Tue, 01 October 2013 18:28 |
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| Johnny Bridges wrote on Tue, 01 October 2013 08:39 |
That's why they bought Norris. Instead of exclusive breakers, my (Norris upfit) coach has a seperate wall switch "Air Conditioner" "Water heater" take your pick. It also had a wall switch in the lav under the vanity "Shore power" "Generator Power". Since I had just replaced some open frame 30 amp AC relays, when the latter switch disintegrated, I replaced it with a relay. When you're on shore power, the relay pulss in and connects it, otherwise it is hooked to the genset. The coach is also, to my dismay wired with solid AC wiring.
--johnny
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Johnny,
USCG, ABS (American Bureau of Shipping and ABYC (American Boat and Yacht Council) have required stranded wire in all circuits for many years, but RVs sold in California (no other states have specific rules) have to meet BOCA (Building Officials Code Administrators) codes if people are to sleep in them and as that would require that stranded wire be run in conduit to meet NFPA code (specifically National Electrical Codes).
And Some people wonder why I am Terrified of the PP/ACA.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] Breaker panel question [message #224335 is a reply to message #224248] |
Wed, 02 October 2013 10:14 |
jhbridges
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I'm well aware of that. I'm also aware of the 1976 codes in rural Tennessee (and Alabama where I grew UP): If there are no apperant flames, it meets code.
--johnny
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On Tue, 10/1/13, Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Breaker panel question
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Tuesday, October 1, 2013, 11:28 PM
Johnny Bridges wrote on Tue, 01 October 2013 08:39
> That's why they bought Norris. Instead of
exclusive breakers, my (Norris upfit) coach has a
seperate wall switch "Air Conditioner" "Water heater"
take your pick. It also had a wall switch in the lav
under the vanity "Shore power" "Generator
Power". Since I had just replaced some open frame 30
amp AC relays, when the latter switch disintegrated, I
replaced it with a relay. When you're on shore power,
the relay pulss in and connects it, otherwise it is hooked
to the genset. The coach is also, to my dismay wired
with solid AC wiring.
>
> --johnny
Johnny,
USCG, ABS (American Bureau of Shipping and ABYC (American
Boat and Yacht Council) have required stranded wire in all
circuits for many years, but RVs sold in California (no
other states have specific rules) have to meet BOCA
(Building Officials Code Administrators) codes if people are
to sleep in them and as that would require that stranded
wire be run in conduit to meet NFPA code (specifically
National Electrical Codes).
And Some people wonder why I am Terrified of the
PP/ACA.
Matt
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Matt & Mary Colie
'73 Glacier 23 Chaumire (say show-me-air)
Now with 4 working Rear Brakes
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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