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| [GMCnet] Made It Home the Hard Way [message #223920] |
Sat, 28 September 2013 21:18  |
Ken Henderson
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Location: Americus, GA
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Well, my 10,000 mile odyssey did not end well. We left Branson Thurday
morning with the engine running well, though not "perfect". At low speeds
there was an obvious miss but at speed everything sounded fine. That
continued for some 375 miles or so until just before Tupelo, MS (US78 exit
73 -- by the Toyota plant). Then the engine began to miss badly and
quickly quit running. With the above exit in sight, I restarted the engine
for a few seconds several times and made it onto the exit ramp. There, I
noticed that while running for those few seconds it could muster, the oil
pressure was ZERO!
Aside from the fact that there was no "pop-pop-pop" before the engine quit,
the symptoms are eerily like those when the rocker pedestal broke after
leaving Applied GMC back in June.
At any rate, having no idea where to lay up in that area, I decided to call
RVRoadHelp, my Allstate tow service. That was probably around 4 PM. After
lots of time on Hold, several lost and resumed calls, a great deal of
explanation and argument, I finally got to a supervisor who agreed that
they could not find a "competent repair facility" for the GMC anywhere
closer than Orlando. Then began the quest for a tow to Americus, which was
only about half as far as Orlando. After no one could be found to
towovernight, they finally offered to have the coach towed to a motel
for the
night and resume the search for a tow on Friday. I insisted on an RV park
instead. They readily agreed, but by the time they found a service even
for the local tow, all the RV park 'phones were un-monitored. So, we chose
to have the wrecker tow us to his shop and plug us in there. As it worked
out, the owner of a pretty good sized service collected us himself, towed
us to his lot in Oxford, MS (45 miles away), and transferred the power
fromhis big
coach to ours at about 2300.
Yesterday morning, at 0800, I began the again excruciating process of
getting RVRoadHelp to agree to the tow to Americus. None of the previous
night's rationale nor agreements had been recorded, so I had to go through
the whole rigamarole again -- even worse in the light of day when they
could find someone in shops. Only my insistence that I was, per all of my
previous clarification calls to them over the past 15 years, entitled to
towing to a "competent repair facility" was effective. In fact, they once
wanted to send a mechanic to "check it out to see if he could help". My
reply to that was that the only possible reason for him doing that was that
he didn't know the first damned thing about a front wheel drive GMC
motorhome. And that I wasn't about to spend all day having every grease
monkey in Mississippi come look and say "I ain't never seen nuthin' like
that -- I ain't touchin' that thing!"
After it became obvious to the supervisor that I knew the coach, the
community, the locations of every GMC specialist, and that I could make a
big black mark on the company reputation, did he finally decide that the
truck to which we were already attached should just take us on to Americus.
We got home about 2000 last night after an uneventful trip. We followed
the tow until near home, then led him the last few critical miles. We
could not be more pleased with Shivers (like when you're cold) Tow service
out of Oxford, MS. Richard, who picked us up Thursday night, was more than
accomodating, and "Snuffy", a deputy sheriff who's been driving part time
for Richard for the past 22 years, was both personable and professional. I
had NO complaint about anything they did.
We spent today unloading the coach, using the CRV to push it the final 200'
onto the pit, and recuperating. Can't say I'm especially glad to be home,
but it is more roomy here. :-)
Maybe Monday I'll start troubleshooting the problem. Maybe not. It's
reassuring to know that I've got another Cad500 and an Olds455 at the
engine shop being "refurbished". And that I'd already committed to buy a
complete '76 Eldorado front clip. We WILL be able to get 'er runnin' again!
Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL
www.gmcwipersetc.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] Made It Home the Hard Way [message #223922 is a reply to message #223920] |
Sat, 28 September 2013 21:28  |
Dennis S
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Ken,
Gosh I hate to hear this...
we were only 90 miles away if you had called, but it sounds like you were in good hands and it is doubtful I could have offered a better outcome.
You always provide great feedback and analysis on these failures -- but I hate that we will hear from you again.
Regards,
Dennis
| Ken Henderson wrote on Sat, 28 September 2013 21:18 |
Well, my 10,000 mile odyssey did not end well. We left Branson Thurday
morning with the engine running well, though not "perfect". At low speeds
there was an obvious miss but at speed everything sounded fine. That
continued for some 375 miles or so until just before Tupelo, MS (US78 exit
73 -- by the Toyota plant). Then the engine began to miss badly and
quickly quit running. With the above exit in sight, I restarted the engine
for a few seconds several times and made it onto the exit ramp. There, I
noticed that while running for those few seconds it could muster, the oil
pressure was ZERO!
Aside from the fact that there was no "pop-pop-pop" before the engine quit,
the symptoms are eerily like those when the rocker pedestal broke after
leaving Applied GMC back in June.
At any rate, having no idea where to lay up in that area, I decided to call
RVRoadHelp, my Allstate tow service. That was probably around 4 PM. After
lots of time on Hold, several lost and resumed calls, a great deal of
explanation and argument, I finally got to a supervisor who agreed that
they could not find a "competent repair facility" for the GMC anywhere
closer than Orlando. Then began the quest for a tow to Americus, which was
only about half as far as Orlando. After no one could be found to
towovernight, they finally offered to have the coach towed to a motel
for the
night and resume the search for a tow on Friday. I insisted on an RV park
instead. They readily agreed, but by the time they found a service even
for the local tow, all the RV park 'phones were un-monitored. So, we chose
to have the wrecker tow us to his shop and plug us in there. As it worked
out, the owner of a pretty good sized service collected us himself, towed
us to his lot in Oxford, MS (45 miles away), and transferred the power
fromhis big
coach to ours at about 2300.
Yesterday morning, at 0800, I began the again excruciating process of
getting RVRoadHelp to agree to the tow to Americus. None of the previous
night's rationale nor agreements had been recorded, so I had to go through
the whole rigamarole again -- even worse in the light of day when they
could find someone in shops. Only my insistence that I was, per all of my
previous clarification calls to them over the past 15 years, entitled to
towing to a "competent repair facility" was effective. In fact, they once
wanted to send a mechanic to "check it out to see if he could help". My
reply to that was that the only possible reason for him doing that was that
he didn't know the first damned thing about a front wheel drive GMC
motorhome. And that I wasn't about to spend all day having every grease
monkey in Mississippi come look and say "I ain't never seen nuthin' like
that -- I ain't touchin' that thing!"
After it became obvious to the supervisor that I knew the coach, the
community, the locations of every GMC specialist, and that I could make a
big black mark on the company reputation, did he finally decide that the
truck to which we were already attached should just take us on to Americus.
We got home about 2000 last night after an uneventful trip. We followed
the tow until near home, then led him the last few critical miles. We
could not be more pleased with Shivers (like when you're cold) Tow service
out of Oxford, MS. Richard, who picked us up Thursday night, was more than
accomodating, and "Snuffy", a deputy sheriff who's been driving part time
for Richard for the past 22 years, was both personable and professional. I
had NO complaint about anything they did.
We spent today unloading the coach, using the CRV to push it the final 200'
onto the pit, and recuperating. Can't say I'm especially glad to be home,
but it is more roomy here. 
Maybe Monday I'll start troubleshooting the problem. Maybe not. It's
reassuring to know that I've got another Cad500 and an Olds455 at the
engine shop being "refurbished". And that I'd already committed to buy a
complete '76 Eldorado front clip. We WILL be able to get 'er runnin' again!
Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL
www.gmcwipersetc.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] Made It Home the Hard Way [message #223924 is a reply to message #223920] |
Sat, 28 September 2013 21:33 |
Mr ERFisher
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argggg it has been a tough 2nd half of the the trip
glad you are home
gene
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On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net>wrote:
> Well, my 10,000 mile odyssey did not end well. We left Branson Thurday
> morning with the engine running well, though not "perfect". At low speeds
> there was an obvious miss but at speed everything sounded fine. That
> continued for some 375 miles or so until just before Tupelo, MS (US78 exit
> 73 -- by the Toyota plant). Then the engine began to miss badly and
> quickly quit running. With the above exit in sight, I restarted the engine
> for a few seconds several times and made it onto the exit ramp. There, I
> noticed that while running for those few seconds it could muster, the oil
> pressure was ZERO!
>
> Aside from the fact that there was no "pop-pop-pop" before the engine quit,
> the symptoms are eerily like those when the rocker pedestal broke after
> leaving Applied GMC back in June.
>
> At any rate, having no idea where to lay up in that area, I decided to call
> RVRoadHelp, my Allstate tow service. That was probably around 4 PM. After
> lots of time on Hold, several lost and resumed calls, a great deal of
> explanation and argument, I finally got to a supervisor who agreed that
> they could not find a "competent repair facility" for the GMC anywhere
> closer than Orlando. Then began the quest for a tow to Americus, which was
> only about half as far as Orlando. After no one could be found to
> towovernight, they finally offered to have the coach towed to a motel
> for the
> night and resume the search for a tow on Friday. I insisted on an RV park
> instead. They readily agreed, but by the time they found a service even
> for the local tow, all the RV park 'phones were un-monitored. So, we chose
> to have the wrecker tow us to his shop and plug us in there. As it worked
> out, the owner of a pretty good sized service collected us himself, towed
> us to his lot in Oxford, MS (45 miles away), and transferred the power
> fromhis big
> coach to ours at about 2300.
>
> Yesterday morning, at 0800, I began the again excruciating process of
> getting RVRoadHelp to agree to the tow to Americus. None of the previous
> night's rationale nor agreements had been recorded, so I had to go through
> the whole rigamarole again -- even worse in the light of day when they
> could find someone in shops. Only my insistence that I was, per all of my
> previous clarification calls to them over the past 15 years, entitled to
> towing to a "competent repair facility" was effective. In fact, they once
> wanted to send a mechanic to "check it out to see if he could help". My
> reply to that was that the only possible reason for him doing that was that
> he didn't know the first damned thing about a front wheel drive GMC
> motorhome. And that I wasn't about to spend all day having every grease
> monkey in Mississippi come look and say "I ain't never seen nuthin' like
> that -- I ain't touchin' that thing!"
>
> After it became obvious to the supervisor that I knew the coach, the
> community, the locations of every GMC specialist, and that I could make a
> big black mark on the company reputation, did he finally decide that the
> truck to which we were already attached should just take us on to Americus.
>
> We got home about 2000 last night after an uneventful trip. We followed
> the tow until near home, then led him the last few critical miles. We
> could not be more pleased with Shivers (like when you're cold) Tow service
> out of Oxford, MS. Richard, who picked us up Thursday night, was more than
> accomodating, and "Snuffy", a deputy sheriff who's been driving part time
> for Richard for the past 22 years, was both personable and professional. I
> had NO complaint about anything they did.
>
> We spent today unloading the coach, using the CRV to push it the final 200'
> onto the pit, and recuperating. Can't say I'm especially glad to be home,
> but it is more roomy here. :-)
>
> Maybe Monday I'll start troubleshooting the problem. Maybe not. It's
> reassuring to know that I've got another Cad500 and an Olds455 at the
> engine shop being "refurbished". And that I'd already committed to buy a
> complete '76 Eldorado front clip. We WILL be able to get 'er runnin'
> again!
>
> Ken H.
> Americus, GA
> '76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL
> www.gmcwipersetc.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] Made It Home the Hard Way [message #223927 is a reply to message #223920] |
Sat, 28 September 2013 21:50 |
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Ken
Sorry to hear of your problems.
On the way to Coos Bay
Howard and Susie
74 Canyon Lands
All is well with my Lord
> On Sep 28, 2013, at 19:33, gene Fisher <mr.erfisher@gmail.com> wrote:
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> argggg it has been a tough 2nd half of the the trip
>
> glad you are home
>
> gene
> '
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> On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net>wrote:
>
>> Well, my 10,000 mile odyssey did not end well. We left Branson Thurday
>> morning with the engine running well, though not "perfect". At low speeds
>> there was an obvious miss but at speed everything sounded fine. That
>> continued for some 375 miles or so until just before Tupelo, MS (US78 exit
>> 73 -- by the Toyota plant). Then the engine began to miss badly and
>> quickly quit running. With the above exit in sight, I restarted the engine
>> for a few seconds several times and made it onto the exit ramp. There, I
>> noticed that while running for those few seconds it could muster, the oil
>> pressure was ZERO!
>>
>> Aside from the fact that there was no "pop-pop-pop" before the engine quit,
>> the symptoms are eerily like those when the rocker pedestal broke after
>> leaving Applied GMC back in June.
>>
>> At any rate, having no idea where to lay up in that area, I decided to call
>> RVRoadHelp, my Allstate tow service. That was probably around 4 PM. After
>> lots of time on Hold, several lost and resumed calls, a great deal of
>> explanation and argument, I finally got to a supervisor who agreed that
>> they could not find a "competent repair facility" for the GMC anywhere
>> closer than Orlando. Then began the quest for a tow to Americus, which was
>> only about half as far as Orlando. After no one could be found to
>> towovernight, they finally offered to have the coach towed to a motel
>> for the
>> night and resume the search for a tow on Friday. I insisted on an RV park
>> instead. They readily agreed, but by the time they found a service even
>> for the local tow, all the RV park 'phones were un-monitored. So, we chose
>> to have the wrecker tow us to his shop and plug us in there. As it worked
>> out, the owner of a pretty good sized service collected us himself, towed
>> us to his lot in Oxford, MS (45 miles away), and transferred the power
>> fromhis big
>> coach to ours at about 2300.
>>
>> Yesterday morning, at 0800, I began the again excruciating process of
>> getting RVRoadHelp to agree to the tow to Americus. None of the previous
>> night's rationale nor agreements had been recorded, so I had to go through
>> the whole rigamarole again -- even worse in the light of day when they
>> could find someone in shops. Only my insistence that I was, per all of my
>> previous clarification calls to them over the past 15 years, entitled to
>> towing to a "competent repair facility" was effective. In fact, they once
>> wanted to send a mechanic to "check it out to see if he could help". My
>> reply to that was that the only possible reason for him doing that was that
>> he didn't know the first damned thing about a front wheel drive GMC
>> motorhome. And that I wasn't about to spend all day having every grease
>> monkey in Mississippi come look and say "I ain't never seen nuthin' like
>> that -- I ain't touchin' that thing!"
>>
>> After it became obvious to the supervisor that I knew the coach, the
>> community, the locations of every GMC specialist, and that I could make a
>> big black mark on the company reputation, did he finally decide that the
>> truck to which we were already attached should just take us on to Americus.
>>
>> We got home about 2000 last night after an uneventful trip. We followed
>> the tow until near home, then led him the last few critical miles. We
>> could not be more pleased with Shivers (like when you're cold) Tow service
>> out of Oxford, MS. Richard, who picked us up Thursday night, was more than
>> accomodating, and "Snuffy", a deputy sheriff who's been driving part time
>> for Richard for the past 22 years, was both personable and professional. I
>> had NO complaint about anything they did.
>>
>> We spent today unloading the coach, using the CRV to push it the final 200'
>> onto the pit, and recuperating. Can't say I'm especially glad to be home,
>> but it is more roomy here. :-)
>>
>> Maybe Monday I'll start troubleshooting the problem. Maybe not. It's
>> reassuring to know that I've got another Cad500 and an Olds455 at the
>> engine shop being "refurbished". And that I'd already committed to buy a
>> complete '76 Eldorado front clip. We WILL be able to get 'er runnin'
>> again!
>>
>> Ken H.
>> Americus, GA
>> '76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL
>> www.gmcwipersetc.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] Made It Home the Hard Way [message #223929 is a reply to message #223927] |
Sat, 28 September 2013 22:10 |
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hello ken
we are in a similar situation and are witing for a transmission but it is all part of the fun for us.
glad you made it home please keep the cadillac faith
Trevor
Brisbane Australia
Siesta Koala 76 Edgemont (old Bobby Moores)
71 Cadillac Eldo Convert
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| Re: [GMCnet] Made It Home the Hard Way [message #223931 is a reply to message #223920] |
Sat, 28 September 2013 22:16 |
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Ken,
First of all I am sorry that the engine "played up" on your way home, however, you have demonstrated that with tenacity,
perseverance, and courtesy you can WIN with the argument with the towing service provider.
If you have time it would be helpful if you could share as much detail regarding your discussion and argument with the towing
service supervisors. I reckon if it worked once it would work again.
This information could be used to create an addendum to the Towing Document on the GMCES website.
Regards,
Rob M.
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From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken Henderson
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 9:18 PM
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Subject: [GMCnet] Made It Home the Hard Way
Well, my 10,000 mile odyssey did not end well. We left Branson Thurday
morning with the engine running well, though not "perfect". At low speeds
there was an obvious miss but at speed everything sounded fine. That
continued for some 375 miles or so until just before Tupelo, MS (US78 exit
73 -- by the Toyota plant). Then the engine began to miss badly and
quickly quit running. With the above exit in sight, I restarted the engine
for a few seconds several times and made it onto the exit ramp. There, I
noticed that while running for those few seconds it could muster, the oil
pressure was ZERO!
Aside from the fact that there was no "pop-pop-pop" before the engine quit,
the symptoms are eerily like those when the rocker pedestal broke after
leaving Applied GMC back in June.
At any rate, having no idea where to lay up in that area, I decided to call
RVRoadHelp, my Allstate tow service. That was probably around 4 PM. After
lots of time on Hold, several lost and resumed calls, a great deal of
explanation and argument, I finally got to a supervisor who agreed that
they could not find a "competent repair facility" for the GMC anywhere
closer than Orlando. Then began the quest for a tow to Americus, which was
only about half as far as Orlando. After no one could be found to
towovernight, they finally offered to have the coach towed to a motel
for the night and resume the search for a tow on Friday. I insisted on an RV park
instead. They readily agreed, but by the time they found a service even
for the local tow, all the RV park 'phones were un-monitored. So, we chose
to have the wrecker tow us to his shop and plug us in there. As it worked
out, the owner of a pretty good sized service collected us himself, towed
us to his lot in Oxford, MS (45 miles away), and transferred the power
from his big coach to ours at about 2300.
Yesterday morning, at 0800, I began the again excruciating process of
getting RVRoadHelp to agree to the tow to Americus. None of the previous
night's rationale nor agreements had been recorded, so I had to go through
the whole rigamarole again -- even worse in the light of day when they
could find someone in shops. Only my insistence that I was, per all of my
previous clarification calls to them over the past 15 years, entitled to
towing to a "competent repair facility" was effective. In fact, they once
wanted to send a mechanic to "check it out to see if he could help". My
reply to that was that the only possible reason for him doing that was that
he didn't know the first damned thing about a front wheel drive GMC
motorhome. And that I wasn't about to spend all day having every grease
monkey in Mississippi come look and say "I ain't never seen nuthin' like
that -- I ain't touchin' that thing!"
After it became obvious to the supervisor that I knew the coach, the
community, the locations of every GMC specialist, and that I could make a
big black mark on the company reputation, did he finally decide that the
truck to which we were already attached should just take us on to Americus.
We got home about 2000 last night after an uneventful trip. We followed
the tow until near home, then led him the last few critical miles. We
could not be more pleased with Shivers (like when you're cold) Tow service
out of Oxford, MS. Richard, who picked us up Thursday night, was more than
accomodating, and "Snuffy", a deputy sheriff who's been driving part time
for Richard for the past 22 years, was both personable and professional. I
had NO complaint about anything they did.
We spent today unloading the coach, using the CRV to push it the final 200'
onto the pit, and recuperating. Can't say I'm especially glad to be home,
but it is more roomy here. :-)
Maybe Monday I'll start troubleshooting the problem. Maybe not. It's
reassuring to know that I've got another Cad500 and an Olds455 at the
engine shop being "refurbished". And that I'd already committed to buy a
complete '76 Eldorado front clip. We WILL be able to get 'er runnin' again!
Ken H.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Made It Home the Hard Way [message #223935 is a reply to message #223920] |
Sat, 28 September 2013 22:44 |
Carl S.
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"We WILL be able to get 'er runnin' again!"
Wow Ken! I hate to hear of your problem with the coach, but I LOVE your attitude about it. 
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: [GMCnet] Made It Home the Hard Way [message #223937 is a reply to message #223929] |
Sat, 28 September 2013 22:48 |
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| cadelec wrote on Sat, 28 September 2013 20:10 |
hello ken
we are in a similar situation and are witing for a transmission but it is all part of the fun for us.
glad you made it home please keep the cadillac faith
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Great attitude from you as well Trevor!
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: [GMCnet] Made It Home the Hard Way [message #223952 is a reply to message #223920] |
Sun, 29 September 2013 06:34 |
kerry pinkerton
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| Ken Henderson wrote on Sat, 28 September 2013 21:18 |
Well, my 10,000 mile odyssey did not end well....
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Oh crap. That's not the trip report we wanted to hear. However, I'm not sure many other GMCers could have wrangled a tow all the way to Americus.
| Ken Henderson wrote on Sat, 28 September 2013 21:18 |
... We WILL be able to get 'er runnin' again!
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Not much doubt of that in anyone's mind.
I'm betting on the valve rockers again. ...Let's hope for that anyway.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: [GMCnet] Made It Home the Hard Way [message #223969 is a reply to message #223920] |
Sun, 29 September 2013 09:38 |
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If it wasn't for bad luck, you wouldn't be having any luck, Ken.
Quiet suggestion - do the Sellemeyer Thing, put it back to box stock and go from there.
--johnny
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On Sun, 9/29/13, Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Subject: [GMCnet] Made It Home the Hard Way
To: "gmclist" <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Date: Sunday, September 29, 2013, 2:18 AM
Well, my 10,000 mile odyssey
did not end well. We left Branson Thurday
morning with the engine running well, though not
"perfect". At low speeds
there was an obvious miss but at speed everything sounded
fine. That
continued for some 375 miles or so until just before Tupelo,
MS (US78 exit
73 -- by the Toyota plant). Then the engine began to
miss badly and
quickly quit running. With the above exit in sight, I
restarted the engine
for a few seconds several times and made it onto the exit
ramp. There, I
noticed that while running for those few seconds it could
muster, the oil
pressure was ZERO!
Maybe Monday I'll start troubleshooting the problem.
Maybe not. It's
reassuring to know that I've got another Cad500 and an
Olds455 at the
engine shop being "refurbished". And that I'd already
committed to buy a
complete '76 Eldorado front clip. We WILL be able to
get 'er runnin' again!
Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Made It Home the Hard Way [message #223981 is a reply to message #223920] |
Sun, 29 September 2013 10:53 |
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Ken,
So sorry to hear about this ordeal. I will now take off that rocker cover to investigate that ticking sound at idle on the 500 locally. (It's run well for 19,500 miles after rebuild.) Though it has those spendy purple ! aluminum rocker arm setups and pretty blue painted valve springs, I want now to have a look at all. #1 cylinder was running lean due to partially clogged injector (have multiport setup, sequential). Sounds like the noise is coming from #1. I'll keep you posted. If the purple rocker setup seems not to be durable in our application, this might alter your choice of rocker setups, which I believe you will want to change after your west coast experience even if the valve train isn't your trouble this time. There is another more conventional less expensive shaft setup mentioned and pictured in "Big Inch Cadillac". I can send you a copy since I found my spare. You might be able to get a better rocker lift ratio with an aftermarket setup. Stock 1.6:1, some rare Eldorados 1.7:1. Do you have a mix now with Jim K's replacements?
To up the ante, CFO has never experienced a breakdown in the GMC and isn't entirely sure it's a cool setup. I am red hot on the concept, but the CFO.......
Good luck. I guess the first thing is you will take those rocker covers off. Thanks for doing the development for everyone who runs the Cadillac 500.
Glad you are home.
Carey
Carey from Ennis, Texas
78 Royale, 500 Cadillac, Rance Baxter EFI.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Made It Home the Hard Way [message #224039 is a reply to message #223920] |
Sun, 29 September 2013 18:21 |
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| Ken Henderson wrote on Sat, 28 September 2013 21:18 |
...At low speeds there was an obvious miss but at speed everything sounded fine. That continued for some 375 miles or so... Then the engine began to miss badly and quickly quit running. ...I restarted the engine for a few seconds several times and made it onto the exit ramp. There, I noticed that while running for those few seconds it could muster, the oil pressure was ZERO!...
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Am I correct that you have EFI, that shuts down when there is no oil pressure?
If so, it allows the engine to start with no oil pressure, and after a time delay sufficient for the oil pressure to come up, normals up to "shut down engine when no oil pressure present". Got you to the exit.
So your EFI shut down the engine when the oil pressure dropped to zero. Was it intermittently restricting fuel when the oil pressure was fluctuating at low RPMs before that 375 miles?
Where is the oil level on the dipstick?
If your crankcase is not low or empty, maybe your oil pump failed?
If all that is in the ballpark, hopefully your EFI shut it down before serious damage.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Made It Home the Hard Way [message #224042 is a reply to message #224039] |
Sun, 29 September 2013 18:42 |
Ken Henderson
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I do have EFI with EBL, but my fuel system is somewhat unique: Either the
Main or Aux tank boost pump feeds into a 1 gallon surge tank; those are
protected by a low oil pressure switch which is bypassed during cranking
only. The EFI, as designed, controls the high pressure pump which is fed
from the surge tank. That control consists of a 2-3 second run when
ignition is turned on, and subsequent power down if the tach signal is
interrupted. I've been planning to put that circuit on the LOP switch also
since the engine can run for too long on the contents of the surge tank.
When the engine shutdown occurred, the oil level was normal. It's likely
that the short runs were made on the fuel pumped into the surge tank during
cranking. I doubt that I ran long enough without oil pressure to have
damaged the engine. If it was a failure similar to that in June, only the
valve train aft of the failed rocker pedestal and the oil pressure sender
were starved completely -- the rest of the engine would have had some oil
pressure.
It will be interesting to find out what's been going on -- maybe I'll be in
the mood to get greasy tomorrow.
Ken H.
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 7:21 PM, A. <markbb1@netzero.com> wrote:
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> Ken Henderson wrote on Sat, 28 September 2013 21:18
> > ...At low speeds there was an obvious miss but at speed everything
> sounded fine. That continued for some 375 miles or so... Then the engine
> began to miss badly and quickly quit running. ...I restarted the engine for
> a few seconds several times and made it onto the exit ramp. There, I
> noticed that while running for those few seconds it could muster, the oil
> pressure was ZERO!...
> -----
> Am I correct that you have EFI, that shuts down when there is no oil
> pressure?
>
> If so, it allows the engine to start with no oil pressure, and after a
> time delay sufficient for the oil pressure to come up, normals up to "shut
> down engine when no oil pressure present". Got you to the exit.
>
> So your EFI shut down the engine when the oil pressure dropped to zero.
> Was it intermittently restricting fuel when the oil pressure was
> fluctuating at low RPMs before that 375 miles?
>
> Where is the oil level on the dipstick?
>
> If your crankcase is not low or empty, maybe your oil pump failed?
>
> If all that is in the ballpark, hopefully your EFI shut it down before
> serious damage.
> --
> '73 23' Sequoia For Sale
> '73 23' CanyonLands For Sale
> UA (Upper Alabama)
> CanyonLands most likely for a parts coach. Sequoia being restored to
> service.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Made It Home the Hard Way [message #224105 is a reply to message #224039] |
Mon, 30 September 2013 14:04 |
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Also, if he punked a rocker enough for the lifter to come out of the gallery, the oil pressure will go Dixie all to once.
--johnny
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On Sun, 9/29/13, A. <markbb1@netzero.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Made It Home the Hard Way
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Sunday, September 29, 2013, 11:21 PM
Ken Henderson wrote on Sat, 28 September 2013 21:18
> ...At low speeds there was an obvious miss but at speed
everything sounded fine. That continued for some 375
miles or so... Then the engine began to miss badly and
quickly quit running. ...I restarted the engine for a few
seconds several times and made it onto the exit ramp.
There, I noticed that while running for those few seconds it
could muster, the oil pressure was ZERO!...
-----
Am I correct that you have EFI, that shuts down when there
is no oil pressure?
If so, it allows the engine to start with no oil pressure,
and after a time delay sufficient for the oil pressure to
come up, normals up to "shut down engine when no oil
pressure present". Got you to the exit.
So your EFI shut down the engine when the oil pressure
dropped to zero. Was it intermittently restricting
fuel when the oil pressure was fluctuating at low RPMs
before that 375 miles?
Where is the oil level on the dipstick?
If your crankcase is not low or empty, maybe your oil pump
failed?
If all that is in the ballpark, hopefully your EFI shut it
down before serious damage.
--
'73 23' Sequoia For Sale
'73 23' CanyonLands For Sale
UA (Upper Alabama)
CanyonLands most likely for a parts coach. Sequoia
being restored to service.
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