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Mon, 02 September 2013 03:28  |
jturbo
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Has anyone applied for these with a GMC and gotten them. for 77 and 78 GMC's
does it cause you problems with insurance or driving the vehicle to camp etc?
Thanks
Here is what I found in the vehicle code
Cal Health & Saf Code § 43002 (2009)
§ 43002. Vehicles of historic interest
No motor vehicle of historic interest shall be required to have any motor vehicle pollution control device, except for such devices that were required by this part for such vehicles prior to the time that special identification plates were issued for that vehicle pursuant to Section 5004 of the Vehicle Code.
The part about "except for such devices that were required by this part for such vehicles prior to the time that special identification plates were issued for that vehicle" is probably the part that will prove to be undesirable to you.
To address the original question, I believe the primary advantage of having historical plates is the lower annual cost.
Emissions Exemptions
Emissions (smog) inspections are required for all vehicles registered in the state of California, with vehicles registered in areas subject to the biennial smog certification program required to undergo testing for every other registration renewal. Vehicles in these areas are exempted for the newest six registration MYs (excepting diesels), but are required to pay an annual “smog abatement fee” during those years.
Diesel Vehicles:
Diesel vehicles MY 1998 and newer with a GVWR of 14,000 lbs or less are required to be tested, and are not provided with the same “new car” exemption as gasoline powered vehicles.
Exemptions:
1. New vehicles for the newest six (6) MYs
2. Pre-1976 MY vehicles
3. Vehicles with collector motor vehicles insurance policies that are at least 35 MYs years old
4. Vehicles registered as “specially constructed” that have received an emissions waiver
1978 Royal 403
1977 Birchaven 455
1977 Kingsley 455
All under Upgrading and restoration
Rosemead California
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| Re: [GMCnet] Historical Vehicle Plates California [message #220833 is a reply to message #220828] |
Mon, 02 September 2013 04:56  |
Mr ERFisher
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what state?
did you read here
http://gmcmotorhome.info/antique.html
gene
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 1:28 AM, john <tg16jturbo@mac.com> wrote:
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>
> Has anyone applied for these with a GMC and gotten them. for 77 and 78
> GMC's
>
> does it cause you problems with insurance or driving the vehicle to camp
> etc?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Here is what I found in the vehicle code
>
>
> Cal Health & Saf Code § 43002 (2009)
> § 43002. Vehicles of historic interest
> No motor vehicle of historic interest shall be required to have any motor
> vehicle pollution control device, except for such devices that were
> required by this part for such vehicles prior to the time that special
> identification plates were issued for that vehicle pursuant to Section 5004
> of the Vehicle Code.
>
> The part about "except for such devices that were required by this part
> for such vehicles prior to the time that special identification plates were
> issued for that vehicle" is probably the part that will prove to be
> undesirable to you.
>
> To address the original question, I believe the primary advantage of
> having historical plates is the lower annual cost.
>
>
> Emissions Exemptions
> Emissions (smog) inspections are required for all vehicles registered in
> the state of California, with vehicles registered in areas subject to the
> biennial smog certification program required to undergo testing for every
> other registration renewal. Vehicles in these areas are exempted for the
> newest six registration MYs (excepting diesels), but are required to pay an
> annual “smog abatement fee” during those years.
> Diesel Vehicles:
> Diesel vehicles MY 1998 and newer with a GVWR of 14,000 lbs or less are
> required to be tested, and are not provided with the same “new
> car” exemption as gasoline powered vehicles.
> Exemptions:
> 1. New vehicles for the newest six (6) MYs
> 2. Pre-1976 MY vehicles
> 3. Vehicles with collector motor vehicles insurance policies that are at
> least 35 MYs years old
> 4. Vehicles registered as “specially constructed” that have
> received an emissions waiver
>
> --
> 1978 Royal 403
> 1977 Birchaven 455
> 1977 Kingsley 455
>
> All under Upgrading and restoration
>
> Rosemead California
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| Re: [GMCnet] Historical Vehicle Plates California [message #220882 is a reply to message #220833] |
Mon, 02 September 2013 12:02 |
Ronald Pottol
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This was about California, so it looks like if you register and insure your
GMC as a collectible (I'm thinking there are severe annual milage limits
(1500? not checked)), you are exempt from smog testing, which would
otherwise be an issue with a 76-78 (now that is for stuff 35 years old, I'm
not sure how they would determine that, so today, perhaps a 78 wouldn't be
covered).
I think California is unique in testing, and requiring the vehicle to be
stock (other states test your tail pipe, but don't care that you have gone
to fuel injection, etc).
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 2:56 AM, gene Fisher <mr.erfisher@gmail.com> wrote:
> what state?
> did you read here
> http://gmcmotorhome.info/antique.html
>
> gene
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 1:28 AM, john <tg16jturbo@mac.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Has anyone applied for these with a GMC and gotten them. for 77 and 78
> > GMC's
> >
> > does it cause you problems with insurance or driving the vehicle to camp
> > etc?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > Here is what I found in the vehicle code
> >
> >
> > Cal Health & Saf Code § 43002 (2009)
> > § 43002. Vehicles of historic interest
> > No motor vehicle of historic interest shall be required to have any motor
> > vehicle pollution control device, except for such devices that were
> > required by this part for such vehicles prior to the time that special
> > identification plates were issued for that vehicle pursuant to Section
> 5004
> > of the Vehicle Code.
> >
> > The part about "except for such devices that were required by this part
> > for such vehicles prior to the time that special identification plates
> were
> > issued for that vehicle" is probably the part that will prove to be
> > undesirable to you.
> >
> > To address the original question, I believe the primary advantage of
> > having historical plates is the lower annual cost.
> >
> >
> > Emissions Exemptions
> > Emissions (smog) inspections are required for all vehicles registered in
> > the state of California, with vehicles registered in areas subject to the
> > biennial smog certification program required to undergo testing for every
> > other registration renewal. Vehicles in these areas are exempted for the
> > newest six registration MYs (excepting diesels), but are required to pay
> an
> > annual “smog abatement fee” during those years.
> > Diesel Vehicles:
> > Diesel vehicles MY 1998 and newer with a GVWR of 14,000 lbs or less are
> > required to be tested, and are not provided with the same “new
> > car” exemption as gasoline powered vehicles.
> > Exemptions:
> > 1. New vehicles for the newest six (6) MYs
> > 2. Pre-1976 MY vehicles
> > 3. Vehicles with collector motor vehicles insurance policies that are at
> > least 35 MYs years old
> > 4. Vehicles registered as “specially constructed” that have
> > received an emissions waiver
> >
> > --
> > 1978 Royal 403
> > 1977 Birchaven 455
> > 1977 Kingsley 455
> >
> > All under Upgrading and restoration
> >
> > Rosemead California
> > _______________________________________________
> > GMCnet mailing list
> > Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
> > http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
> “Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
> -------
> http://gmcmotorhome.info/
> Alternator Protection Cable
> http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html
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| Re: [GMCnet] Historical Vehicle Plates California [message #220953 is a reply to message #220944] |
Mon, 02 September 2013 21:06 |
jim kanomata
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We have had couple of our service customers come in with those plates.
It would be up to the state to say whether or not you were on a trip to an event or not.
Passing emission is not that difficult as long as you tune it right and make sure there is no leak at base of the carberator
Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC, Fremont,CA
jimk@appliedairfilters.com
http://www.appliedgmc.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] Historical Vehicle Plates California [message #220969 is a reply to message #220953] |
Mon, 02 September 2013 22:29 |
Ronald Pottol
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The problem with emissions is that only equipment that has been certified
is legal. So as long as you pass tail pipe, and have a sufficiently
ignorant tech, you are good. But if they can tell EFI from a carb....fuel
injection might be a problem, and I'll bet headers are not, strictly
speaking, legal either. Heck, drilling out the plugs and adjusting the carb
isn't legal, but I bet you can get away with that.
But, no dyno testing I assume, so given a lazy tech, you are good.
But I think I'd rather get a 73-75 here in California.
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 7:06 PM, jim kanomata <jimk@appliedairfilters.com>wrote:
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>
> We have had couple of our service customers come in with those plates.
> It would be up to the state to say whether or not you were on a trip to an
> event or not.
> Passing emission is not that difficult as long as you tune it right and
> make sure there is no leak at base of the carberator
> --
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> 1-800-752-7502
> jimk@appliedgmc.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] Historical Vehicle Plates California [message #221590 is a reply to message #221506] |
Sun, 08 September 2013 06:29 |
jturbo
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anyone in california have the historical vehicle plates?
If so what is your registration cost.
also no restrictions are stated in the CA DMV code except the events etc.
But does not say you cannot drive it and or limit mileage etc.
1978 Royal 403
1977 Birchaven 455
1977 Kingsley 455
All under Upgrading and restoration
Rosemead California
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| Re: [GMCnet] Historical Vehicle Plates California [message #221595 is a reply to message #220882] |
Sun, 08 September 2013 07:57 |
Steven Ferguson
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Ahrnold signed separate legislation that did away with the rolling smog
exemption..retroactively. Screwed a lot of people on that. Historical
vehicle plates are OK but the vehicle usage is limited to maintenance runs
and historical vehicle events. Most of which is covered by convention
attendance. It took us 4 years to get that legislation passed and when
Ahrnold took office, the rolling exemption was up to 1975. You cannot
change the engine configuration and expect to pass if the inspector is
knowledgable. Most aren't quite sure when they test GMCs and I think the
chassis dynos cannot handle FWD motorhomes. Keep that carb. Just ask
Frank Condos.
Steve F.
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Ronald Pottol <ronaldpottol@gmail.com>wrote:
> This was about California, so it looks like if you register and insure your
> GMC as a collectible (I'm thinking there are severe annual milage limits
> (1500? not checked)), you are exempt from smog testing, which would
> otherwise be an issue with a 76-78 (now that is for stuff 35 years old, I'm
> not sure how they would determine that, so today, perhaps a 78 wouldn't be
> covered).
>
> I think California is unique in testing, and requiring the vehicle to be
> stock (other states test your tail pipe, but don't care that you have gone
> to fuel injection, etc).
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 2:56 AM, gene Fisher <mr.erfisher@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > what state?
> > did you read here
> > http://gmcmotorhome.info/antique.html
> >
> > gene
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 1:28 AM, john <tg16jturbo@mac.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Has anyone applied for these with a GMC and gotten them. for 77 and 78
> > > GMC's
> > >
> > > does it cause you problems with insurance or driving the vehicle to
> camp
> > > etc?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > > Here is what I found in the vehicle code
> > >
> > >
> > > Cal Health & Saf Code § 43002 (2009)
> > > § 43002. Vehicles of historic interest
> > > No motor vehicle of historic interest shall be required to have any
> motor
> > > vehicle pollution control device, except for such devices that were
> > > required by this part for such vehicles prior to the time that special
> > > identification plates were issued for that vehicle pursuant to Section
> > 5004
> > > of the Vehicle Code.
> > >
> > > The part about "except for such devices that were required by this part
> > > for such vehicles prior to the time that special identification plates
> > were
> > > issued for that vehicle" is probably the part that will prove to be
> > > undesirable to you.
> > >
> > > To address the original question, I believe the primary advantage of
> > > having historical plates is the lower annual cost.
> > >
> > >
> > > Emissions Exemptions
> > > Emissions (smog) inspections are required for all vehicles registered
> in
> > > the state of California, with vehicles registered in areas subject to
> the
> > > biennial smog certification program required to undergo testing for
> every
> > > other registration renewal. Vehicles in these areas are exempted for
> the
> > > newest six registration MYs (excepting diesels), but are required to
> pay
> > an
> > > annual “smog abatement fee” during those years.
> > > Diesel Vehicles:
> > > Diesel vehicles MY 1998 and newer with a GVWR of 14,000 lbs or less are
> > > required to be tested, and are not provided with the same “new
> > > car” exemption as gasoline powered vehicles.
> > > Exemptions:
> > > 1. New vehicles for the newest six (6) MYs
> > > 2. Pre-1976 MY vehicles
> > > 3. Vehicles with collector motor vehicles insurance policies that are
> at
> > > least 35 MYs years old
> > > 4. Vehicles registered as “specially constructed” that have
> > > received an emissions waiver
> > >
> > > --
> > > 1978 Royal 403
> > > 1977 Birchaven 455
> > > 1977 Kingsley 455
> > >
> > > All under Upgrading and restoration
> > >
> > > Rosemead California
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > GMCnet mailing list
> > > Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
> > > http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
> > “Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
> > -------
> > http://gmcmotorhome.info/
> > Alternator Protection Cable
> > http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html
> > _______________________________________________
> > GMCnet mailing list
> > Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
> > http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Plato seems wrong to me today.
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