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I concur. Sharon purchased a 2010 Prius when they were first available. Likely the most trouble free and satisfying vehicle we have ever owned - battery assisted or not. She now is looking at the 2013 Avalon which gets a very real, everyday driving, 40 MPG because it is quieter on the very noisy large rock roads in Southern Oregon. Even thought her drive profile is far from ideal, she has averaged 49.6 MPG from the day she took possession with the Prius. Toyota, not our government, made the investments that have made Tesla so successful (off set credits or not) and which led one major rating service to say it is,the best car they ever rated independent of how it is powered. No pipe dream here, just real world fact from a real world buyer.
Remember, there is a night and day difference between the lithium ion battery technology you hear referenced in the press (fires, etc.) and the other lithium battery technologies that are being used elsewhere. They are not the same and do not have the same characteristics at all. There also is a world of difference between the actively managed battery technologies used in cars like the Tesla from the passively managed battery technology used in the Leaf. Apple and oranges even though the press refers to them as being one in the same.
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:33:34 -0500
From: dave silva <admin@oldrv.net>
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Lithium ion house batteries
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The tax credit on hybrids went away in 2010. It put a lot of early prius' on the road. Now they are one their own and the credit has moved to all-electric and plugin hybrids.
Hybrids are fantastic technology. I think it was worth my tax dollars to help it get critical mass.
I have a 06 Hybrid that i bought used (no tax credit) and it is proving to be the cheapest car i ever owned. (80,000 trouble free miles)
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| Re: [GMCnet] Lithium ion house batteries [message #220536 is a reply to message #220436] |
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Jim
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On Aug 29, 2013, at 9:35, James Hupy <jamesh1296@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well heck, Let's extrapolate this out into the day when many, many good
> enviromental citizens get rid of their fossil fuel powered vehicles and
> either ride public (tax supported holes in the ground that are never filled
> up with money) transportation devices or electric vehicles. Where do all
> them watts come from. Let's see, huge solar arrays on the top of every
> apartment building (single family homes are such a waste) that charge
> battery inverter banks to charge personal transportation vehicles is one
> way. Cost more to build and wears out quicker than it can pay for itself,
> but what the heck it is only money, and the government can print much more
> of it any time it wants to, right? Let's see maybe we could just plug them
> in to free curb side charging stations powered by wind, solar, hydro,
> nuclear, fossil fuels and then build the delivery systems to get the power
> to the curb side charging stations. We already dammed up all the good hydro
> sites in the 30's and 40's. Heck, try to envision a large scale hydro
> project like the TVA or the BPA today. Just think how long it would take to
> obtain the permits to build such a thing. Easy, nope, do-able if we are
> forced into it.
> Just thinking forward here to the future. Glad I am in my 70's. Won't have
> to listen to the hue and cry and gnashing of teeth that this will create.
> (VERY BIG GRIN) BUT WORTH THINKING ABOUT ONCE IN A WHILE.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, OR
> 78 GMC Royale 403
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> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Mark <mark@habcycles.com> wrote:
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>> A Hamilto wrote on Thu, 29 August 2013 08:27
>>> ljdavick wrote on Thu, 29 August 2013 03:06
>>>> ...Lets not forget that the automobile is subsidized with taxpayer
>> highways, bridges, etc. we've subsidized many emerging industries...
>>> Wording has it backwards (automobiles subsidize highways, bridges, etc,
>> through gas taxes), but I see something that hadn't occurred to me before.
>> If electric cars become prevalent, the Gov't will have to find a way to
>> tax the electricity that people use to charge them in order to continue to
>> pay for road and bridge maintenance.
>>>
>>> The cost of that electricity will have to go up, reducing the savings
>> that make electric cars so favorable.
>>>
>>> Right now, electrics aren't paying their fair share. Freeloaders, so to
>> speak.
>>
>> Good point. One of the other stinky wrinkles in the whole electric car
>> concept is that there simply isn't enough electricity production to supply
>> them if a significant percentage of us start driving them. Many of the
>> western states (California chief among them) haven't added electric
>> generation capacity in decades, and are teetering on the brink of brownouts
>> or blackouts in the summer. Add in a few million extra electric cars
>> (which use a HUGE amount of power compared to your "other appliances") and
>> the situation will go from seriously inconvenient to dire.
>>
>> But I'll say it again - I really LIKE the concept of the electric car, and
>> look forward to it coming to fruition eventually. Heck, I even had plans
>> for converting my 1970 Opel GT to a hybrid back in the late 70s...
>>
>> --
>> Mark Hickey
>> Mesa, AZ
>> 1978 Royale Center Kitchen
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