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| Re: [GMCnet] 'New' Royale - issues [message #218079 is a reply to message #218065] |
Mon, 12 August 2013 22:06   |
Keith V
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I just drove a coach, a 76 transmode with 17,000 miles on it, yes really, the thing is a time machine. the original generator starts better than my 2002 Onan Emerald!
it's mostly empty, just a couple seats along the sides, very light.
Man that thing drives like a car. just goes. Drives straight, turns easy, no wandering, man it was sweet. I swear it has the original exhaust. 1 finger on the steering wheel, off we go.
I gotta get my steering fixed, no excuses now!
These things should drive like a car.
Keith Vasilakes
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| Re: [GMCnet] 'New' Royale - issues [message #218083 is a reply to message #218079] |
Mon, 12 August 2013 22:14 |
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These posts are killing me. Although I THINK mine drives well I've never put any miles on another coach. The 16.5" wheels and FireSTONE tires probably aren't helping my aged front end track straight down the road.
Happily, however, we're spending a GMC unit this year to get my daughter to college. Sadly we don't have an abundance of them to lavish on my toys.
Larry Davick
On Aug 12, 2013, at 8:07 PM, Keith V <my427v8@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> I just drove a coach, a 76 transmode with 17,000 miles on it, yes really, the thing is a time machine. the original generator starts better than my 2002 Onan Emerald!
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> it's mostly empty, just a couple seats along the sides, very light.
> Man that thing drives like a car. just goes. Drives straight, turns easy, no wandering, man it was sweet. I swear it has the original exhaust. 1 finger on the steering wheel, off we go.
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> I gotta get my steering fixed, no excuses now!
> These things should drive like a car.
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> Keith
> 69 Vette
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> 75 Royale GMC
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| Re: [GMCnet] 'New' Royale - issues [message #218085 is a reply to message #218083] |
Mon, 12 August 2013 22:49 |
Keith V
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| ljdavick wrote on Mon, 12 August 2013 22:14 |
These posts are killing me. Although I THINK mine drives well I've never put any miles on another coach. The 16.5" wheels and FireSTONE tires probably aren't helping my aged front end track straight down the road.
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This 76 had 16.5s and at least 7 year old firestone transforces
No excuses!
Keith Vasilakes
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| Re: [GMCnet] 'New' Royale - issues [message #218112 is a reply to message #218065] |
Tue, 13 August 2013 08:59 |
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Brian,
Oh well it was an idea. You could download it and give it a go yourself. It's pretty simple to follow.
Could you please list exactly what you've done to the:
1) Steering system
2) Front Suspension
3) Rear Suspension
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Waddell
sperling,manitoba,canada
> From: robmueller@iinet.net.au
> Brian,
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> Where are you located, I'd love to try the Steering Inspection Procedure on your coach.
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> Regards,
> Rob M.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Waddell
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> My 77 eleganza steers so bad that I will not use it anymore....wanders all over the road.....I have spent a lot of time and money
> trying to fix the steering and I wished I had gone to the 1t front end...I am tryng to save up for the 1ton and basically guit
> trying to use the coach until this happens...I quess what I am saying is for you to be carefull that you don't spend too much
money
> on new original parts (like i did). only to find it stills steeres so badly that it is unsafe to drive brian 77 ele 455
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| Re: [GMCnet] 'New' Royale - issues [message #218207 is a reply to message #217747] |
Tue, 13 August 2013 16:42 |
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We Susie, our daughter and I never had a handling problem.
I'm picky and so is our daughter who trains school bus drivers and ever thing that has wheels for one of the larges school districts in the nation.
Over 1,200 busses on the road each school day
We could drive our stock 74 with one hand on no matter what the road was.
The only time was on the deepest ruts on our freeways.
I only up graded to the one ton as I had never re packed the wheel bearings after eight years and 25,000 miles.
When I first saw the one ton setup at Steve and Nancy's get together the price was more then our GMC budget.
Then Manny came up with his.
I have to say the handling is very much improved and well worth the trip up to San Jose and the cost of Manny's setup.
Plus we got to know a very nice guy.
Susie and I very happy with the new front end.
We drove from San Jose to Santa Cruz in the rain then down CA 1 to Morrow Bay.
Much improved handling and stoping.
I also like the idea of a modern setup and ease of replacement and servicing.
Howard
All is well with my Lord
On Aug 13, 2013, at 6:53, "Rob Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> Larry,
>
> You raise a VERY good point!
>
> A lot of people are in the same boat - they have NO frame of reference!
>
> Unless one's coach drove badly and you undertake steps to fix it you'll never know unless as you noted below you "put some miles on
> another coach." There is a caveat to that too; the other coach has to be "as good as it gets" or you STILL don't know!
>
> Kinda like Vince Lombardi's quote; "perfect practice makes perfect!"
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Davick
>
> These posts are killing me. Although I THINK mine drives well I've never put any miles on another coach. The 16.5" wheels and
> FireSTONE tires probably aren't helping my aged front end track straight down the road.
>
> Happily, however, we're spending a GMC unit this year to get my daughter to college. Sadly we don't have an abundance of them to
> lavish on my toys.
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> Larry
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| Re: [GMCnet] 'New' Royale - issues [message #218210 is a reply to message #217747] |
Tue, 13 August 2013 16:54 |
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I am with you Howard, modern. I hate old stuff. Lots of folks love original, and that is fine with me. I want my old vehicles to have modern upgrades. I have a 5 speed ready to install into our 65 Mustang. Got 4 disc brakes for the vdub. No one knows the difference unless I tell them. Even have an old style Hurst shifter to disguise the fact that it will have the five speed behind the souped up 289. Teri and I can work on the one ton ourselves. Same goes with the rear disc brakes on the back 4 wheels. Vehicles still look the same but are upgraded with modern technology.
Dan
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| Re: [GMCnet] 'New' Royale - issues [message #218273 is a reply to message #217772] |
Wed, 14 August 2013 07:56 |
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Terry, good to see someone post that. If you want it to steer like new,
everything from the horn button on down needs to be returned to "new"
condition and that includes those tie rods.
Steve
On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Terry Taylor <n6mon@pacbell.net> wrote:
> Jeff, Pay particular attention to the tie-rod ends. When Manny did my 1
> ton upgrade, the coach
> would jump all over the place when accelerating or decelerating. All 4
> tie-rod ends were bad.
> Replaced those and the problem went away.
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> I STRONGLY suggest (as others have) that you look into the 1-ton kit.
> Call Jim K and see what
> he thinks and the order the kit from him.
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> On 8/11/2013 8:17 AM, Jeff Marten wrote:
> > Thanks everyone for the great info! Glad to hear it's not normal
> handling.
> > Guess I'll start checking the system from the steering column and work
> my way to the wheels.
> > The PO has a folder full of invoices and info he received when he bought
> it. Guess the PO to him kept detailed records, including fuel stops and #
> gallons used. He forgot to bring it, so he'll be sending it to me this
> week. Will be good to see what work was performed.
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> > I'm located in Colorado Springs.
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| Re: [GMCnet] 'New' Royale - issues [message #218373 is a reply to message #218215] |
Wed, 14 August 2013 19:39 |
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Well, checked a few front end components today. The tie rod connected to the pitman has visible wear movement when moving the wheel left/right. The other end of the assy looked OK. Looks like I'll be replacing all the tie rods at a minimum. I'll check the idler arm, but will likely replace that as well. Started to rain so I'll have to check the rest later this week.
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| Re: [GMCnet] 'New' Royale - issues [message #218483 is a reply to message #218207] |
Thu, 15 August 2013 18:59 |
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I had a friend of mine drive my gmc....he drives different tour buses for a living...some old some new some school buses ....his coment was that the gmc is unsafe to be on the road and would not drive it the 15 mi to the next townb rian 455 77 ele
> From: hnielsen2@cox.net
> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 14:42:53 -0700
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 'New' Royale - issues
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> We Susie, our daughter and I never had a handling problem.
> I'm picky and so is our daughter who trains school bus drivers and ever thing that has wheels for one of the larges school districts in the nation.
> Over 1,200 busses on the road each school day
> We could drive our stock 74 with one hand on no matter what the road was.
> The only time was on the deepest ruts on our freeways.
> I only up graded to the one ton as I had never re packed the wheel bearings after eight years and 25,000 miles.
> When I first saw the one ton setup at Steve and Nancy's get together the price was more then our GMC budget.
> Then Manny came up with his.
> I have to say the handling is very much improved and well worth the trip up to San Jose and the cost of Manny's setup.
> Plus we got to know a very nice guy.
> Susie and I very happy with the new front end.
> We drove from San Jose to Santa Cruz in the rain then down CA 1 to Morrow Bay.
> Much improved handling and stoping.
> I also like the idea of a modern setup and ease of replacement and servicing.
> Howard
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> All is well with my Lord
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> On Aug 13, 2013, at 6:53, "Rob Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au> wrote:
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> > Larry,
> >
> > You raise a VERY good point!
> >
> > A lot of people are in the same boat - they have NO frame of reference!
> >
> > Unless one's coach drove badly and you undertake steps to fix it you'll never know unless as you noted below you "put some miles on
> > another coach." There is a caveat to that too; the other coach has to be "as good as it gets" or you STILL don't know!
> >
> > Kinda like Vince Lombardi's quote; "perfect practice makes perfect!"
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rob M.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Larry Davick
> >
> > These posts are killing me. Although I THINK mine drives well I've never put any miles on another coach. The 16.5" wheels and
> > FireSTONE tires probably aren't helping my aged front end track straight down the road.
> >
> > Happily, however, we're spending a GMC unit this year to get my daughter to college. Sadly we don't have an abundance of them to
> > lavish on my toys.
> >
> > Larry
> >
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| Re: [GMCnet] 'New' Royale - issues [message #218485 is a reply to message #217747] |
Thu, 15 August 2013 19:09 |
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Skim reading through a little,Nice score first off and it has to be something very loose somewhere and if not.You said end were a little worn,that won't do it.It has to be the actual castle nut loose or the steering box adjustment.That inside adjuster is so sensitive,I mean microns one way or the other its all over the place.
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| Re: [GMCnet] 'New' Royale - issues [message #218486 is a reply to message #217747] |
Thu, 15 August 2013 19:12 |
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Oh yeah,I forgot about the oven! Pillsbury pop open rolls/muffins/crescents/cinnabon......
Frozen pizza. Tollhouse Cookies!!!!!!!!
I have cooked and ate them all....Need that oven!!!
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| Re: [GMCnet] 'New' Royale - issues [message #218490 is a reply to message #217747] |
Thu, 15 August 2013 19:20 |
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By unsafe
What did he tell you about your GMC that was unsafe.
Thanks
Howard
All is well with my Lord
Never Give Up
On Aug 15, 2013, at 16:59, Brian Waddell <sperline1@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I had a friend of mine drive my gmc....he drives different tour buses for a living...some old some new some school buses ....his coment was that the gmc is unsafe to be on the road and would not drive it the 15 mi to the next townb rian 455 77 ele
>
>> From: hnielsen2@cox.net
>> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 14:42:53 -0700
>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 'New' Royale - issues
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>>
>> We Susie, our daughter and I never had a handling problem.
>> I'm picky and so is our daughter who trains school bus drivers and ever thing that has wheels for one of the larges school districts in the nation.
>> Over 1,200 busses on the road each school day
>> We could drive our stock 74 with one hand on no matter what the road was.
>> The only time was on the deepest ruts on our freeways.
>> I only up graded to the one ton as I had never re packed the wheel bearings after eight years and 25,000 miles.
>> When I first saw the one ton setup at Steve and Nancy's get together the price was more then our GMC budget.
>> Then Manny came up with his.
>> I have to say the handling is very much improved and well worth the trip up to San Jose and the cost of Manny's setup.
>> Plus we got to know a very nice guy.
>> Susie and I very happy with the new front end.
>> We drove from San Jose to Santa Cruz in the rain then down CA 1 to Morrow Bay.
>> Much improved handling and stoping.
>> I also like the idea of a modern setup and ease of replacement and servicing.
>> Howard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> All is well with my Lord
>>
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2013, at 6:53, "Rob Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>> Larry,
>>>
>>> You raise a VERY good point!
>>>
>>> A lot of people are in the same boat - they have NO frame of reference!
>>>
>>> Unless one's coach drove badly and you undertake steps to fix it you'll never know unless as you noted below you "put some miles on
>>> another coach." There is a caveat to that too; the other coach has to be "as good as it gets" or you STILL don't know!
>>>
>>> Kinda like Vince Lombardi's quote; "perfect practice makes perfect!"
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Rob M.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Larry Davick
>>>
>>> These posts are killing me. Although I THINK mine drives well I've never put any miles on another coach. The 16.5" wheels and
>>> FireSTONE tires probably aren't helping my aged front end track straight down the road.
>>>
>>> Happily, however, we're spending a GMC unit this year to get my daughter to college. Sadly we don't have an abundance of them to
>>> lavish on my toys.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] 'New' Royale - issues [message #218491 is a reply to message #218483] |
Thu, 15 August 2013 19:26 |
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| Brian Waddell wrote on Thu, 15 August 2013 16:59 |
I had a friend of mine drive my gmc....he drives different tour buses for a living...some old some new some school buses ....his coment was that the gmc is unsafe to be on the road and would not drive it the 15 mi to the next town
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That's not a bad thing in some ways. It's a lot harder to find a minor or intermittent problem with steering. If the problem is that bad, diagnosing it should be pretty easy - at least until you DO work it down to those minor or intermittent problems.
And let's not forget that your bus driving friend probably has zero seat time in a large, front wheel drive vehicle, which is going to feel "different" than anything he's ever driven. And in fact, if he's logged a gazillion miles in a rear wheel drive bus, he'll probably feel more at home in a worn out SOB than a perfect GMC (which is exactly the opposite experience letting those who've only driven rear-drive SOBs and my coach - they feel my GMC is a LOT easier to drive).
Mark Hickey
Mesa, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] 'New' Royale - issues [message #218504 is a reply to message #218491] |
Thu, 15 August 2013 21:14 |
Jerry Wheeler
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Brian,
When I get back to NC in November, perhaps we should drive each others
coach if you haven't already fixed yours.
JR Wheeler 78 Royale NC/OR Now in the Coos Bay area until late
October.
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 8:26 PM, Mark <mark@habcycles.com> wrote:
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> Brian Waddell wrote on Thu, 15 August 2013 16:59
> > I had a friend of mine drive my gmc....he drives different tour buses
> for a living...some old some new some school buses ....his coment was that
> the gmc is unsafe to be on the road and would not drive it the 15 mi to the
> next town
>
> That's not a bad thing in some ways. It's a lot harder to find a minor or
> intermittent problem with steering. If the problem is that bad, diagnosing
> it should be pretty easy - at least until you DO work it down to those
> minor or intermittent problems.
>
> And let's not forget that your bus driving friend probably has zero seat
> time in a large, front wheel drive vehicle, which is going to feel
> "different" than anything he's ever driven. And in fact, if he's logged a
> gazillion miles in a rear wheel drive bus, he'll probably feel more at home
> in a worn out SOB than a perfect GMC (which is exactly the opposite
> experience letting those who've only driven rear-drive SOBs and my coach -
> they feel my GMC is a LOT easier to drive).
> --
> Mark Hickey
> Mesa, AZ
> 1978 Royale Center Kitchen
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| Re: [GMCnet] 'New' Royale - issues [message #218511 is a reply to message #217747] |
Thu, 15 August 2013 21:40 |
JohnL455
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I drove these when they were new in the 70s and they drove good and almost sporty, even on the tries of the era. You don't need the 1 ton to get it to drive right. The 1 ton gets you bearings and brakes. The thing about Front wheel drive is it will jump to the side if one front tire looses traction under heavy acceleration. That's the physics of it. All land animals have evolved to be rear drive or all drive. FWD is not occurring in nature for a reason. For us, it gets the low floor and low CG and good ride and no solid axles so ft's worth it. For automotive industry is a cheaper and more fuel conscious way to manufacture. But NASCAR takes FWD names and puts them on RWD purpose built race cars. 2 guys and 10 minutes can find all your bad parts with coach on the tires. Dave Lenzi has diagnosed 100s this way at rallies.
John Lebetski
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| Re: [GMCnet] 'New' Royale - issues [message #218520 is a reply to message #218373] |
Thu, 15 August 2013 22:38 |
Jeff Marten
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I checked more steering components tonight. The relay lever looks to be rebuilt, looks like the PO used Lucas Red 'n Tacky grease on it. Has a very large zerk fitting, I'll have to get an adapter and some of the red grease.
Most of the other components needed to be greased. Left side tie rod assy was easier to rotate than the right side, but I didn't see or feel any wear issues/movement while moving the wheel L/R.
> From: jtmarten@msn.com
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> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 18:39:32 -0600
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 'New' Royale - issues
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> Well, checked a few front end components today. The tie rod connected to the pitman has visible wear movement when moving the wheel left/right. The other end of the assy looked OK. Looks like I'll be replacing all the tie rods at a minimum. I'll check the idler arm, but will likely replace that as well. Started to rain so I'll have to check the rest later this week.
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