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[GMCnet] A Few Questions [message #217377] Thu, 08 August 2013 12:10 Go to next message
AlexPosner is currently offline  AlexPosner   United States
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Okay, few random questions for you as we get started here.

First, I read in an online guide that you can not back up in the GMC when towing. How would you get your boat into the water if that is the case?

What was the best upgrade you have made to the GMC? The one that gives you piece of mind or the most enjoyment?

Do any of you collect mementos from your travels? What do you collect? Thought it might be fun to do a magnet, or a picture in front of city sign or a mug, etc. Anyone collect things from their trips?

Alex
Sunny So Cal
'76 GMC Eleganza
aka Frank's Old Coach


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Re: [GMCnet] A Few Questions [message #217378 is a reply to message #217377] Thu, 08 August 2013 12:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sure you can back up.

What you read was probably meant for backing up with a toad behind. If you are not careful you can get the front wheels of the toad turned and then cause some breakage of parts on the toad if you continue backing up. That being said, I have backed my toad up two blocks once when I found myself in a dead end position where they had fenced off a section of the street for repairs but didn't post a sign at the entrance of the street. I used my rear view mirror and very slowly backed up without zig zagging the toad.

I really didn't want to take the time to unhook the toad and back it up and then back up the GMC.

Backing up with a boat is fairly easy. I have done it many times.
Just be careful on boat ramps. If too steep you might find that your front wheels will spin and you will be stuck on the ramp. Especially if they are wet.

I have been at some places where I asked someone with a pickup truck by the ramp if they would hook up to my boat and back it in for me. Someone will usually oblige.

Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO

On Aug 8, 2013, at 11:10 AM, Alex Posner wrote:

> Okay, few random questions for you as we get started here.
>
> First, I read in an online guide that you can not back up in the GMC when towing. How would you get your boat into the water if that is the case?
>
> What was the best upgrade you have made to the GMC? The one that gives you piece of mind or the most enjoyment?
>
> Do any of you collect mementos from your travels? What do you collect? Thought it might be fun to do a magnet, or a picture in front of city sign or a mug, etc. Anyone collect things from their trips?
>
> Alex
> Sunny So Cal
> '76 GMC Eleganza
> aka Frank's Old Coach
>
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Re: [GMCnet] A Few Questions [message #217381 is a reply to message #217378] Thu, 08 August 2013 12:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Neil is currently offline  Neil   United States
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Two things

1 - I was told never to back up with a towd as the tow bar can't handle it. I am new to this towd business - just what I was told.

2 - Folks I know who launch boats with a GMC have a hitch on the front bumper so exiting the ramp they are "backing up." That is how mine ended up with a hitch there. i don't boat though.


Neil
76 Eleganza now sold
Los Angeles
Re: [GMCnet] A Few Questions [message #217382 is a reply to message #217377] Thu, 08 August 2013 12:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Besides the strain oon the towed vehicle backing up a vehicle with 4 wheels widely separated, the seconde biggest problem is that you can not see it in your mirrors. I just went through this backing up a canoe on a 2 wheel trailer up my 400 foot driveway. I got it done but it was not fun.

Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
Re: [GMCnet] A Few Questions [message #217383 is a reply to message #217381] Thu, 08 August 2013 12:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm wondering why someone would install a front hitch to launch/retrieve a boat. That puts the drive wheels in the wet for sure.

I've seen many traditional RV's set up that way so the drive wheels stay on dry ground.


> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: nmartin@hfbllp.com
> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 12:52:01 -0500
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] A Few Questions
>
>
>
> Two things
>
> 1 - I was told never to back up with a towd as the tow bar can't handle it. I am new to this towd business - just what I was told.
>
> 2 - Folks I know who launch boats with a GMC have a hitch on the front bumper so exiting the ramp they are "backing up." That is how mine ended up with a hitch there. i don't boat though.
> --
> Neil
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Re: [GMCnet] A Few Questions [message #217384 is a reply to message #217382] Thu, 08 August 2013 12:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jeff Marten is currently offline  Jeff Marten   United States
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A rear camera would help for sure!


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> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 12:56:39 -0500
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] A Few Questions
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>
>
> Besides the strain oon the towed vehicle backing up a vehicle with 4 wheels widely separated, the seconde biggest problem is that you can not see it in your mirrors. I just went through this backing up a canoe on a 2 wheel trailer up my 400 foot driveway. I got it done but it was not fun.
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Re: [GMCnet] A Few Questions [message #217387 is a reply to message #217383] Thu, 08 August 2013 13:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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1. It is much easier to steer the boat down the ramp.

2. With the GMC on a downward angle it transfers more weight to the front drive wheels and give more pulling power.

The big negative to this is that if you have a wet, slippery ramp your wheels might spin and you wouldbe stuck on the ramp especially when your trailer is loaded with a boat that you are trying to pull up the ramp.

Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO

On Aug 8, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Jeff Marten <jtmarten@msn.com> wrote:

> I'm wondering why someone would install a front hitch to launch/retrieve a boat. That puts the drive wheels in the wet for sure.
>
> I've seen many traditional RV's set up that way so the drive wheels stay on dry ground.
>
>
>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>> From: nmartin@hfbllp.com
>> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 12:52:01 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] A Few Questions
>>
>>
>>
>> Two things
>>
>> 1 - I was told never to back up with a towd as the tow bar can't handle it. I am new to this towd business - just what I was told.
>>
>> 2 - Folks I know who launch boats with a GMC have a hitch on the front bumper so exiting the ramp they are "backing up." That is how mine ended up with a hitch there. i don't boat though.
>> --
>> Neil
>> 76 Eleganza
>> Los Angeles
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Re: [GMCnet] A Few Questions [message #217392 is a reply to message #217387] Thu, 08 August 2013 13:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gary Berry is currently offline  Gary Berry   United States
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Hey;

You can use the boat to help get you moving (I've done this with a
jet boat). Put the boat in forward and gun the engine while you try to
pull out with the GMC. It will get you moving. JWID
--
Gary and Diana Berry
73 CL Stretch in Wa.

On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Emery Stora <emerystora@me.com> wrote:
>
> The big negative to this is that if you have a wet, slippery ramp your wheels might spin and you wouldbe stuck on the ramp especially when your trailer is loaded with a boat that you are trying to pull up the ramp.
>
> Emery Stora
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Re: [GMCnet] A Few Questions [message #217394 is a reply to message #217392] Thu, 08 August 2013 13:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gary Berry is currently offline  Gary Berry   United States
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Oh, and the boat needs to be on the trailer and tied down in the
front. Just sayiing...

On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Gary Berry <duallycc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey;
>
> You can use the boat to help get you moving (I've done this with a
> jet boat). Put the boat in forward and gun the engine while you try to
> pull out with the GMC. It will get you moving. JWID
> --
> Gary and Diana Berry
> 73 CL Stretch in Wa.

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Re: [GMCnet] A Few Questions [message #217398 is a reply to message #217377] Thu, 08 August 2013 13:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Certainly you can back it up, just not very far, and with a lot of looking. With a boat of any size, I'd worry about sticking the tail end of the copach too deep in the water before the boat floated. The PO of my SOB mounted a trailer hitch on the front bumper for boat launching... way easier to guide. And, unlike the rear hitch, all it's ever gonna dop is throw the boat in and out at very low speed, so a cheesy hitch would do fine.

--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 [palmbeach






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On Thu, 8/8/13, Alex Posner <alexposner@earthlink.net> wrote:

Subject: [GMCnet] A Few Questions
To: "gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org" <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Date: Thursday, August 8, 2013, 5:10 PM

Okay, few random questions for you as
we get started here.

First, I read in an online guide that you can not back up in
the GMC when towing.  How would you get your boat into
the water if that is the case?

What was the best upgrade you have made to the GMC? 
The one that gives you piece of mind or the most enjoyment?

Do any of you collect mementos from your travels?  What
do you collect?  Thought it might be fun to do a
magnet, or a picture in front of city sign or a mug,
etc.  Anyone collect things from their trips?

Alex
Sunny So Cal
'76 GMC Eleganza
aka Frank's Old Coach


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Re: [GMCnet] A Few Questions [message #217399 is a reply to message #217377] Thu, 08 August 2013 13:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Best upgrade? '91 VW Jetta diesel toad hung off the rear. Cheap lifeboat and transportation wherever we hit.

--johnny

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On Thu, 8/8/13, Alex Posner <alexposner@earthlink.net> wrote:

Subject: [GMCnet] A Few Questions
To: "gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org" <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Date: Thursday, August 8, 2013, 5:10 PM

Okay, few random questions for you as
we get started here.

First, I read in an online guide that you can not back up in
the GMC when towing.  How would you get your boat into
the water if that is the case?

What was the best upgrade you have made to the GMC? 
The one that gives you piece of mind or the most enjoyment?

Do any of you collect mementos from your travels?  What
do you collect?  Thought it might be fun to do a
magnet, or a picture in front of city sign or a mug,
etc.  Anyone collect things from their trips?

Alex
Sunny So Cal
'76 GMC Eleganza
aka Frank's Old Coach


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Re: [GMCnet] A Few Questions [message #217400 is a reply to message #217377] Thu, 08 August 2013 13:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dog show ribbons :)
I got a 3 inch stack of them in a cabiinet.

--johnny
'04 Kuvasz
'08 Kuvasz

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On Thu, 8/8/13, Alex Posner <alexposner@earthlink.net> wrote:

Subject: [GMCnet] A Few Questions
To: "gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org" <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Date: Thursday, August 8, 2013, 5:10 PM

Okay, few random questions for you as
we get started here.

First, I read in an online guide that you can not back up in
the GMC when towing.  How would you get your boat into
the water if that is the case?

What was the best upgrade you have made to the GMC? 
The one that gives you piece of mind or the most enjoyment?

Do any of you collect mementos from your travels?  What
do you collect?  Thought it might be fun to do a
magnet, or a picture in front of city sign or a mug,
etc.  Anyone collect things from their trips?

Alex
Sunny So Cal
'76 GMC Eleganza
aka Frank's Old Coach


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Re: [GMCnet] A Few Questions [message #217404 is a reply to message #217377] Thu, 08 August 2013 13:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Congrats on the new coach Alex!

I used to collect magnets, hat pins and t-shirts, but have since stopped. I just ended up with a pile of magnets, a drawer full of t-shirts and a hat that weighs too much to wear loaded with pins. None of those things help me remember places like a good photograph.

Favorite upgrade:

Here are some of the less expensive things I have done that I am glad I have:

Oxygenics shower head. As close as you can get to a real shower in the GMC:
http://www.campingworld.com/category/shower/97

Grocery bag holder for trash can. Fits under the sink, stays out of the way:
http://www.containerstore.com/shop?productId=10030447&N=&Nao=0&Ntt=grocery

Sink drain strainer. Something like this one:
http://www.ecvv.com/product/3153904.html (I got a set of two at a local store for a couple of bucks, may have been Wal-Mart or Target, possibly Bed,Bath & Beyond)

Added some extra shelves in various cabents, like the closet, under fridge cabnet and a couple of other places. Makes for much more efficient use of the space, which is critical in the GMC.

Added a rod/bar to the top shelf in the medicine cabnet so stuff doesn’t fall out. Added a shower curtain rod above the sink and below the medicine cabnet which gives a lot of extra towel hanging space.

I tend to boondock the majority of time, so 12v chargers for phone, tablet and computer.

A couple of mechanical things:

A mascerator pump. It make the messy job of emptying the holding tanks quick, easy and relatively clean. Even better when someone with the old school dump kits is having to watch you breeze thru a dump while they are fussing with their stuff.

Auxiarly vacumm pump for the brakes. You will be glad you have this when the GMC engine stalls and you need to stop the coach.



eugene
benbrook, tx
77 Eleganza II, Howell EFI + EBL
http://gmc.backyardwildlife.com
Re: [GMCnet] A Few Questions [message #217406 is a reply to message #217392] Thu, 08 August 2013 13:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 11:15:47 -0700
> From: duallycc@gmail.com
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] A Few Questions
>
> Hey;
>
> You can use the boat to help get you moving (I've done this with a
> jet boat). Put the boat in forward and gun the engine while you try to
> pull out with the GMC. It will get you moving. JWID
> --
> Gary and Diana Berry
> 73 CL Stretch in Wa.
>
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Emery Stora <emerystora@me.com> wrote:
> >
> > The big negative to this is that if you have a wet, slippery ramp your wheels might spin and you wouldbe stuck on the ramp especially when your trailer is loaded with a boat that you are trying to pull up the ramp.
> >
> > Emery Stora
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Re: [GMCnet] A Few Questions [message #217407 is a reply to message #217404] Thu, 08 August 2013 14:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A second vote for JC4 auxiliary vacuum pump and the mascarator.
To the main list add a modern 3 stage battery charger and a combiner.
Inexpensive nice addition, change over to LED lights for the interior lights, less heat, more light, less battery drain.
Tom,MS II


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Re: [GMCnet] A Few Questions [message #217408 is a reply to message #217377] Thu, 08 August 2013 13:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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More things:

Depends on your tow bar, your tow'd, how closely you monitor the process,
and MURPHY.
If you absolutely have to back up the tow'd, safest way is to have your
navigator sit in it and steer. Do it slowly.

RonC
On Thu, 08 Aug 2013 12:52:01 -0500 Neil Martin <nmartin@hfbllp.com>
writes:
>
>
> Two things
>
> 1 - I was told never to back up with a towd as the tow bar can't
> handle it. I am new to this towd business - just what I was told.
>
> 2 - Folks I know who launch boats with a GMC have a hitch on the
> front bumper so exiting the ramp they are "backing up." That is how
> mine ended up with a hitch there. i don't boat though.
> --
> Neil
> 76 Eleganza
> Los Angeles
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Re: [GMCnet] A Few Questions [message #217409 is a reply to message #217406] Thu, 08 August 2013 14:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Great idea, Gary.
I am in the process of rebuilding the boat right now but I'll remember that if I ever need it.
I remember when I was a teenager and we would load my Dad's jet boat by driving it completely onto the trailer. We never had to use the winch.
And I can see where it would have enough power to push a vehicle as long as the jet intake was able to suck water.

Emery Stora
>
>
>> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 11:15:47 -0700
>> From: duallycc@gmail.com
>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] A Few Questions
>>
>> Hey;
>>
>> You can use the boat to help get you moving (I've done this with a
>> jet boat). Put the boat in forward and gun the engine while you try to
>> pull out with the GMC. It will get you moving. JWID
>> --
>> Gary and Diana Berry
>> 73 CL Stretch in Wa.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Emery Stora <emerystora@me.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The big negative to this is that if you have a wet, slippery ramp your wheels might spin and you wouldbe stuck on the ramp especially when your trailer is loaded with a boat that you are trying to pull up the ramp.
>>>
>>> Emery Stora
>> _______________________________________________

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Re: [GMCnet] A Few Questions [message #217417 is a reply to message #217404] Thu, 08 August 2013 14:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I tried the oxygenics on sale for 39 bucks and it was not as good as the stock one in the palm beach so i took it back.

mickey anaheim ca. 77 palm beach. maybe you have a different pump pressure or something but the stock one seems

strong and large pattern to me, i plan to put in an extension to make it higher and over the top of the head. :-)

what is a good way to charge the gmc from running a toad that is smaller and uses less gas, new topic maybe.?


On Aug 8, 2013, at 11:53 AM, eugene wrote:

>
>
> Congrats on the new coach Alex!
>
> I used to collect magnets, hat pins and t-shirts, but have since stopped. I just ended up with a pile of magnets, a drawer full of t-shirts and a hat that weighs too much to wear loaded with pins. None of those things help me remember places like a good photograph.
>
> Favorite upgrade:
>
> Here are some of the less expensive things I have done that I am glad I have:
>
> Oxygenics shower head. As close as you can get to a real shower in the GMC:
> http://www.campingworld.com/category/shower/97
>
> Grocery bag holder for trash can. Fits under the sink, stays out of the way:
> http://www.containerstore.com/shop?productId=10030447&N=&Nao=0&Ntt=grocery
>
> Sink drain strainer. Something like this one:
> http://www.ecvv.com/product/3153904.html (I got a set of two at a local store for a couple of bucks, may have been Wal-Mart or Target, possibly Bed,Bath & Beyond)
>
> Added some extra shelves in various cabents, like the closet, under fridge cabnet and a couple of other places. Makes for much more efficient use of the space, which is critical in the GMC.
>
> Added a rod/bar to the top shelf in the medicine cabnet so stuff doesn&#8217;t fall out. Added a shower curtain rod above the sink and below the medicine cabnet which gives a lot of extra towel hanging space.
>
> I tend to boondock the majority of time, so 12v chargers for phone, tablet and computer.
>
> A couple of mechanical things:
>
> A mascerator pump. It make the messy job of emptying the holding tanks quick, easy and relatively clean. Even better when someone with the old school dump kits is having to watch you breeze thru a dump while they are fussing with their stuff.
>
> Auxiarly vacumm pump for the brakes. You will be glad you have this when the GMC engine stalls and you need to stop the coach.
>
>
> --
> eugene
> benbrook, tx
> 77 Eleganza II
> http://gmc.backyardwildlife.com
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Re: [GMCnet] A Few Questions [message #217432 is a reply to message #217377] Thu, 08 August 2013 17:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
chasingsummer is currently offline  chasingsummer   United States
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I think my entrance step has been my best spent money.

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Re: [GMCnet] A Few Questions - collections [message #217434 is a reply to message #217377] Thu, 08 August 2013 18:01 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Matt Colie is currently offline  Matt Colie   United States
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Most of all, we collect memories. Memories of good times at every rally and of places we have always wanted to go but could not for some foolish reason - like having to get kids back to school or us back to a regular job. Or maybe just because I couldn't get there by sailing. (Watch for the upcoming trip report.)

I often buy t-shirts. Sometimes to support the cause and sometimes because it is an easy way to show where I have been, but I have to like them before I buy them. They do wear out.

Mary sometimes buys magnets that collect on the refrigerator or the microwave for the same reason.

I also like taking pictures in places that many people will recognize, like with the St. Louis Arch or the Hatteras light as background or in front of Antique Archeology's store fronts (both) or Red Jacket Firearms with Stephanie and Chris talking to Cadeau (our dog) - her head is out the passenger side window. And there are others.

Just do not get thinking that collecting is reason for going. Traveling is its own reward. Learn to use all the tools that are available. It makes the excursion much more enjoyable.

Matt - a pathological navigator that has found it translates well


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