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| Onan repair [message #216908] |
Sun, 04 August 2013 17:01  |
stick miller
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lqqkatjon wrote on Thu, 18 July 2013 08:44
When I first got my onan running. it seemed ok. then I tried to use it to run the roof air on a trip, and it turned into a leaker.
the little bit harder part was getting the old flywheel seal off.
I replaced at that time, the oil filter adaptor gaskets, and the flywheel seal.
it has been not leaking since that repair at this time.
Jon - I'm in a similar position. I have the flywheel removed as well as the oil filter adapter and along with the adapter (I assume) the LOP sensor.
Did you make your adapter gaskets? One (the front one nearest the filter) seems OK if not a bit puffy. The other one has a tear in it that could have happened when I took the thing apart. Both look like fairly simple gaskets. Were you able to source them anywhere.
Also, talk about the flywheel seal. That may be above my pay grade. How is the seal removed - replaced?
Thanks for any help you can give me. I want to reassemble this thing before I forget what goes where.
Stick Miller
'78 Royale - she left me for another man
'76 Eleganza
Americus, Georgia
Stick Miller
'78 Royale - "White Trash" - she left me for another man
'76 Eleganza - "Cousin Eddie" Sold
'84 Bluebird Wanderlodge - "Past Tents"
Americus, GA
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| Re: Onan repair [message #216948 is a reply to message #216908] |
Sun, 04 August 2013 20:00  |
lqqkatjon
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not sure how approved my method of getting the seal out is....
I drilled a small hole in it. stuck a small screwdriver in the hole to get behind it to pry it out.
when I did the drilling, I had a shop vac sucking up any metal particles. and I tried to be as careful as I could not to cause many.
as for the gaskets, I bought from a local very large RV dealer. Pleasureland here in St. Cloud. they can get onan parts. I supplied them with the part #, and it took about 3 days for them to come in.
I had done some research, and knew I needed two of the gaskets for the oil filter mount.
I think you could easily cut one out of some gasket material as well, that gasket was not that fancy.
I would have to get back to you for the part numbers if you need them. I think i had actual onan part numbers when I ordered the seals/gaskets.
I am sure you could get the correct ones from any of the GMC venders... I just pass that RV place on my way to our shop, and get employee discount because I know someone who works there.
anything else. just ask.
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
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| Re: Onan repair [message #216968 is a reply to message #216908] |
Sun, 04 August 2013 21:38 |
Carl S.
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Stick,
You will need two gaskets for the filter adapter, one for each side of the engine mounting plate that is between the engine block and the adapter. I was able to get them locally, but your best bet will probably be Jim K. The crankshaft seal, behind the flywheel, is not easy to remove. I drilled a hole in it, threaded a stud into the hole, and used a slide hammer to pull the seal. I had to repeat this process several times before it finally came out. In fact, I had just about run out of face on the seal to drill holes in when the seal finally came out.
Good luck.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
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| Re: Onan repair [message #217386 is a reply to message #216968] |
Thu, 08 August 2013 13:07 |
stick miller
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A long time ago Ken and I agreed that we would not clog the net with our mundane daily progress on my coach. I've pretty much stuck with that as long as Ken was around, but he flew the coop several months ago and I’m not likely to see him again until mid-October. Necessity being the mother of invention, I’ve had to do some things for myself, dammit!
I've had Onan trouble since I bought this coach in March. Long story short, the multi-talented Johnny Bridges spent his day off with me re-soldering my electronic board and got the dang thing running pretty well. The DW and I made a pretty long trip throughout north Georgia and the Onan ran like a charm.
At the end of the trip as we pulled into the driveway and I went to unhook the toad, I saw it spattered with some sort of petroleum based liquid. A little testing showed me the Onan had a pretty aggressive oil leak. Since Johnny's work carried no warranty, I didn't bother calling to complain. He would probably have made some lame excuse about the fact that he didn't work on anything but the circuit board. 
So I have disassembled the front part of the generator down to where I think I need to be. Parts should be here today. I’m simply replacing some gaskets on the oil filter adapter and replacing the low oil pressure switch.
I’m not replacing the seal since the area around it looks dry. I could live to regret that.
So there you have it. I went out to Ken’s shop today and used his wire wheel to clean up the old gasket material, locked the shop up and stole about 2 dozen figs. Eating is always my favorite part of the day and figs are some of my favorite food. They taste especially good when pilfered. I don’t think he’ll ever know the difference.
As soon as the parts get here, it should go back together in short order.
We'll see.
Today the Onan. Tomorrow the reaction arm braking system.
Stick Miller
'78 Royale - "White Trash" - she left me for another man
'76 Eleganza - "Cousin Eddie" Sold
'84 Bluebird Wanderlodge - "Past Tents"
Americus, GA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Onan repair [message #217401 is a reply to message #217386] |
Thu, 08 August 2013 13:43 |
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Somebody prolly already told ya - USE A TORQUE WRENCH ON THE FLYWHEEL BOLT. And remember, you can't demonstrate a leak until you can get the damn thing to run long enough to leak anyway.
--johnny
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On Thu, 8/8/13, Stick Miller <stickmiller@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Onan repair
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Thursday, August 8, 2013, 6:07 PM
A long time ago Ken and I agreed that we would not clog the
net with our mundane daily progress on my coach. I've pretty
much stuck with that as long as Ken was around, but he flew
the coop several months ago and I’m not likely to see
him again until mid-October. Necessity being the mother of
invention, I’ve had to do some things for myself,
dammit!
I've had Onan trouble since I bought this coach in March.
Long story short, the multi-talented Johnny Bridges spent
his day off with me re-soldering my electronic board and got
the dang thing running pretty well. The DW and I made a
pretty long trip throughout north Georgia and the Onan ran
like a charm.
At the end of the trip as we pulled into the driveway and I
went to unhook the toad, I saw it spattered with some sort
of petroleum based liquid. A little testing showed me
the Onan had a pretty aggressive oil leak. Since Johnny's
work carried no warranty, I didn't bother calling to
complain. He would probably have made some lame excuse about
the fact that he didn't work on anything but the circuit
board. :)
So I have disassembled the front part of the generator down
to where I think I need to be. Parts should be here today.
I’m simply replacing some gaskets on the oil filter
adapter and replacing the low oil pressure switch.
I’m not replacing the seal since the area around it
looks dry. I could live to regret that.
So there you have it. I went out to Ken’s shop today
and used his wire wheel to clean up the old gasket material,
locked the shop up and stole about 2 dozen figs. Eating is
always my favorite part of the day and figs are some of my
favorite food. They taste especially good when pilfered. I
don’t think he’ll ever know the difference.
As soon as the parts get here, it should go back together in
short order.
We'll see.
Today the Onan. Tomorrow the reaction arm braking system.
:)
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Stick Miller
'78 Royale - she left me for another man
'76 Eleganza
Americus, Georgia
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| Re: [GMCnet] Onan repair [message #217424 is a reply to message #217401] |
Thu, 08 August 2013 16:29 |
stick miller
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Thanks, Johnny - I guess I'll have to make another trip over to the fig bush, er I mean Ken's shop for a torque wrench. Any idea what to torque it to? I have the manual and can probably find out for myself.
Not having great luck getting the gruesome twosome back together - that is the oil filter adapter and bracket. I've probably ruined 2 gaskets already although nothing is torn. I need to get the studs into the block before I can line everything else up. Not much luck so far. Glad I made a pattern for the gasket.
Cocktail time - it'll wait until tomorrow.
Stick Miller
'78 Royale - "White Trash" - she left me for another man
'76 Eleganza - "Cousin Eddie" Sold
'84 Bluebird Wanderlodge - "Past Tents"
Americus, GA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Onan repair [message #217489 is a reply to message #217424] |
Fri, 09 August 2013 00:31 |
Ken Henderson
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Stick,
We hope you and/or Charlie will pick ALL the figs before the birds
establish a tradition of coming after them in flocks -- a problem we've
somehow avoided for the past few years. Get Elise to make fig preserves.
Ken
On Aug 8, 2013 2:29 PM, "Stick Miller" <stickmiller@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Thanks, Johnny - I guess I'll have to make another trip over to the fig
> bush, er I mean Ken's shop for a torque wrench. Any idea what to torque it
> to? I have the manual and can probably find out for myself.
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> Not having great luck getting the gruesome twosome back together - that is
> the oil filter adapter and bracket. I've probably ruined 2 gaskets already
> although nothing is torn. I need to get the studs into the block before I
> can line everything else up. Not much luck so far. Glad I made a pattern
> for the gasket.
>
> Cocktail time - it'll wait until tomorrow.
> --
> Stick Miller
> '78 Royale - she left me for another man
> '76 Eleganza
> Americus, Georgia
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| Re: Onan repair [message #217560 is a reply to message #216908] |
Fri, 09 August 2013 13:34 |
stick miller
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I thought I had posted earlier in the day, but I know not where. Ken suggested that I get my DW to make fig preserves with some of the plundered figs from his yard.
The chances of Elise making fig preserves are about as good as my getting the Onan back together and running.
OH! Wait! The Onan is running as we speak. With a little coaching from Johnny Bridges, it has gone back together, flywheel torqued as per specs, and seems not to be leaking.
I guess I'd better get Elise started on the figs.
Thanks for all the posts and encouragement.
Stick Miller
'78 Royale - "White Trash" - she left me for another man
'76 Eleganza - "Cousin Eddie" Sold
'84 Bluebird Wanderlodge - "Past Tents"
Americus, GA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Onan repair [message #217567 is a reply to message #217560] |
Fri, 09 August 2013 15:02 |
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Let Elise know that I'd gladly pay $5 for a jar of home made fig preserves!
Larry Davick
On Aug 9, 2013, at 11:34 AM, Stick Miller <stickmiller@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I thought I had posted earlier in the day, but I know not where. Ken suggested that I get my DW to make fig preserves with some of the plundered figs from his yard.
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> The chances of Elise making fig preserves are about as good as my getting the Onan back together and running.
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> OH! Wait! The Onan is running as we speak. With a little coaching from Johnny Bridges, it has gone back together, flywheel torqued as per specs, and seems not to be leaking.
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> I guess I'd better get Elise started on the figs.
>
> Thanks for all the posts and encouragement.
> --
> Stick Miller
> '78 Royale - she left me for another man
> '76 Eleganza
> Americus, Georgia
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| Re: [GMCnet] Onan repair [message #217570 is a reply to message #217567] |
Fri, 09 August 2013 15:25 |
stick miller
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....and it's making electricity.
Stick Miller
'78 Royale - "White Trash" - she left me for another man
'76 Eleganza - "Cousin Eddie" Sold
'84 Bluebird Wanderlodge - "Past Tents"
Americus, GA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Onan repair [message #217579 is a reply to message #217570] |
Fri, 09 August 2013 17:15 |
stick miller
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...and now it is leaking. Oh, and it just shut off.
The leak is unchanged from before. I know the gaskets were neither crimped nor torn and they are cinched down tight. Really don't think the seal is leaking. No fresh (or old) oil showed up. The area around the seal was cruddy with road dirt and probably some oil, but not an active leak.
I changed out the Low Oil pressure switch and I think that is what is causing the shutdown, but does leak = low oil pressure? Not a quart low yet. Even so, the shutdown was very abrupt, like that power had been cut to an appliance. No sputtering, etc. Just running and then off.
I'm going to have to let my visa card help me out on this one...if I knew someone who could fix it.
Next big trip will probably be Lazy Days. Maybe it won't be so hot in January.
Meanwhile, I think I'll go stick my head in the oven. 
Stick Miller
'78 Royale - "White Trash" - she left me for another man
'76 Eleganza - "Cousin Eddie" Sold
'84 Bluebird Wanderlodge - "Past Tents"
Americus, GA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Onan repair [message #217580 is a reply to message #217579] |
Fri, 09 August 2013 17:30 |
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Stick,
Somebody on here had a great trick that involved baby-powder. Give the old girl a good dusting, let it run a while, and then the leak will be (more) apparent.
or something like that...
Larry Davick
Fremont, California
A Mystery Machine
'76 (ish) Palm Beach
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From: "Stick Miller" <stickmiller@gmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Friday, August 9, 2013 3:15:54 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Onan repair
...and now it is leaking. Oh, and it just shut off.
The leak is unchanged from before. I know the gaskets were neither crimped nor torn and they are cinched down tight. Really don't think the seal is leaking. No fresh (or old) oil showed up. The area around the seal was cruddy with road dirt and probably some oil, but not an active leak.
I changed out the Low Oil pressure switch and I think that is what is causing the shutdown, but does leak = low oil pressure? Not a quart low yet. Even so, the shutdown was very abrupt, like that power had been cut to an appliance. No sputtering, etc. Just running and then off.
I'm going to have to let my visa card help me out on this one...if I knew someone who could fix it.
Next big trip will probably be Lazy Days. Maybe it won't be so hot in January.
Meanwhile, I think I'll go stick my head in the oven. :(
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Stick Miller
'78 Royale - she left me for another man
'76 Eleganza
Americus, Georgia
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| Re: [GMCnet] Onan repair [message #217581 is a reply to message #217580] |
Fri, 09 August 2013 17:47 |
stick miller
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I knew that works on a fat girl, just didn't know it worked on an Onan.
Seriously, I don't think I can take it apart again. I might change my mind, but I'll probably let this go for a while.
Stick Miller
'78 Royale - "White Trash" - she left me for another man
'76 Eleganza - "Cousin Eddie" Sold
'84 Bluebird Wanderlodge - "Past Tents"
Americus, GA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Onan repair [message #217609 is a reply to message #217579] |
Fri, 09 August 2013 21:49 |
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??? tighten head bolts. m. ca. 77 pb.
On Aug 9, 2013, at 3:15 PM, Stick Miller wrote:
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> ...and now it is leaking. Oh, and it just shut off.
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> The leak is unchanged from before. I know the gaskets were neither crimped nor torn and they are cinched down tight. Really don't think the seal is leaking. No fresh (or old) oil showed up. The area around the seal was cruddy with road dirt and probably some oil, but not an active leak.
>
> I changed out the Low Oil pressure switch and I think that is what is causing the shutdown, but does leak = low oil pressure? Not a quart low yet. Even so, the shutdown was very abrupt, like that power had been cut to an appliance. No sputtering, etc. Just running and then off.
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> I'm going to have to let my visa card help me out on this one...if I knew someone who could fix it.
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> Next big trip will probably be Lazy Days. Maybe it won't be so hot in January.
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> Meanwhile, I think I'll go stick my head in the oven. :(
> --
> Stick Miller
> '78 Royale - she left me for another man
> '76 Eleganza
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| Re: [GMCnet] Onan repair [message #217625 is a reply to message #217580] |
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From: "Stick Miller"
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Onan repair
...and now it is leaking. Oh, and it just shut off.
The leak is unchanged from before. I know the gaskets were neither crimped nor torn and they are cinched down tight. Really don't think the seal is leaking. No fresh (or old) oil showed up. The area around the seal was cruddy with road dirt and probably some oil, but not an active leak.
I changed out the Low Oil pressure switch and I think that is what is causing the shutdown, but does leak = low oil pressure? Not a quart low yet. Even so, the shutdown was very abrupt, like that power had been cut to an appliance. No sputtering, etc. Just running and then off.
I'm going to have to let my visa card help me out on this one...if I knew someone who could fix it.
Next big trip will probably be Lazy Days. Maybe it won't be so hot in January.
Meanwhile, I think I'll go stick my head in the oven.
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Stick Miller
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ljdavick wrote on Fri, 09 August 2013 18:30]
Stick,
Somebody on here had a great trick that involved baby-powder. Give the old girl a good dusting, let it run a while, and then the leak will be (more) apparent.
or something like that...
Larry Davick
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Stick,
The hard shut-down and the oil leak may well not be related. Did you seriously clean the engine when you were closing it back up? If you did not, then oil will be blowing out for a while.
I recently assisted a GMC owner with a leaking NH (6.0 Onan). We finally found the leak be removing all the sheet metal (at least 5 maybe six pieces) and the spark plugs. Then, washed the areas of interest with brake cleaner and replaced the flywheel finger tight. It took about 30~45 seconds of spinning the engine with the starter for the leak to show up. We needed a flashlight to inspect it even with all the metal out of the way. If you already torn it down far enough to replace the oil filter adapter gaskets, that is as far as you will need to go again. But we took the air cover off the other head because it was in the way of something.
You can spin the engine on the starter that long without hurting the starter because there is very little load on the starter when the spark plugs are out. Put the wires back on the plugs and put the plugs down on the engine where they could spark - you don't want to hurt that expensive coil.
The powder trick Larry spoke of is foot or deodorant powder spray. The stuff we used to use in test labs is no longer available because it needed a solvent to work, but what ever powder spray you can get will probably work well for you.
By the way, the problem in Guy's was an apparent crack in the oil filter adapter casting. He got a good used one and gaskets from JimK and that fixed it. We couldn't see the crack, but we could see the leak.
By the by - though it might be tempting, don't run the engine with all the air covers off. It will quickly overheat and may even be damaged. Besides, if it is like Guy's, you won't have to.
Oh, and, you do know that the microwave won't run with the door open. 
Matt
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| Re: [GMCnet] Onan repair [message #217634 is a reply to message #217625] |
Sat, 10 August 2013 09:29 |
stick miller
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Thanks Matt and others.
My leak is not immediately apparent. I thought I had it fixed and took it to the station to fill it up. In the service station parking lot, it was leaking again. So, it is either heat or oil pressure, or the leak is sufficiently deep that it just took that long to reach the point where it would be visible. I kinda doubt the latter since it ran for 15 minutes in my backyard without the visible leak. Of course, it could have been running its course in and around the sheet metal and parts, but I just don't see that far for it to go. None of the above makes sense now that I write it. It should have been plenty hot and had plenty of oil pressure after I watched it for 15 minutes. (under load - one A/C)
Sitting still, the Onan will run without stopping. Only cuts off while I'm driving...but it's leaking too much oil to run.
I may try taking the sheet metal off again and the spark plugs and try cleaning one more time and do as you said with the starter and a flashlight.
I'm leaving (flying) on a 3 week trip Tuesday and due to other commitments, really won't be available to work on this thing until after the first of October. Right now, without some knowledgeable help, I'm inclined to just have someone fix it.
Stick Miller
'78 Royale - "White Trash" - she left me for another man
'76 Eleganza - "Cousin Eddie" Sold
'84 Bluebird Wanderlodge - "Past Tents"
Americus, GA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Onan repair [message #217636 is a reply to message #217634] |
Sat, 10 August 2013 10:00 |
Mike Teets
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Stick, on the immediate shutdown, I am having a problem right now where
mine will run fine with the drawer pulled out but shuts down abruptly about
2 minutes after I close the drawer. I found that the gas line is getting
folded a bit as it slides in the drawer. The swivel was working fine but
the gas line may have been weakened from my pulling it in and out so many
times working on it. I am going out to replace that line right now.
Might be your problem as well.
Mike
On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Stick Miller <stickmiller@gmail.com>wrote:
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> Thanks Matt and others.
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> My leak is not immediately apparent. I thought I had it fixed and took it
> to the station to fill it up. In the service station parking lot, it was
> leaking again. So, it is either heat or oil pressure, or the leak is
> sufficiently deep that it just took that long to reach the point where it
> would be visible. I kinda doubt the latter since it ran for 15 minutes in
> my backyard without the visible leak. Of course, it could have been running
> its course in and around the sheet metal and parts, but I just don't see
> that far for it to go. None of the above makes sense now that I write it.
> It should have been plenty hot and had plenty of oil pressure after I
> watched it for 15 minutes. (under load - one A/C)
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> Sitting still, the Onan will run without stopping. Only cuts off while I'm
> driving...but it's leaking too much oil to run.
>
> I may try taking the sheet metal off again and the spark plugs and try
> cleaning one more time and do as you said with the starter and a flashlight.
>
> I'm leaving (flying) on a 3 week trip Tuesday and due to other
> commitments, really won't be available to work on this thing until after
> the first of October. Right now, without some knowledgeable help, I'm
> inclined to just have someone fix it.
> --
> Stick Miller
> '78 Royale - she left me for another man
> '76 Eleganza
> Americus, Georgia
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| Re: [GMCnet] Onan repair [message #217651 is a reply to message #217646] |
Sat, 10 August 2013 11:26 |
Mike Teets
Messages: 299
Registered: January 2004
Location: Dublin, OH
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Have you checked your crankcase breather tube? Also the breather box
appears to have a reed valve in it that may have failed closed. That
would force oil through good seals.
On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Stick Miller <stickmiller@gmail.com>wrote:
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> Mike - I have all new gas lines on the Onan. I have a replacement fuel
> pump which I will use before doing anything else to cure the shutoff. Mine,
> too runs better with the drawer open but I just looked and all hoses look
> good and non-crimped.
>
> Can't run it anyway - leaking too much oil. Good thing I have a dirt
> driveway. :)
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> '78 Royale - she left me for another man
> '76 Eleganza
> Americus, Georgia
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