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GMCNUSA is currently offline  GMCNUSA   United States
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I have a 1969 boat with a 165 HP chevrolet straight 6. I need to pull the head and me (an old man)with 3 ft breaker bar can not break most of the head bolts loose. Will using an air impact to loosen bolts cause any problems other than maybe snapping off bolts? This sight is the best info on mechanics it does not have young guys who think they know everything and give bad info.
I don't want to ruin this block used blocks are $1700.
Thanks


Larry Dilk
Indianapolis, IN
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Re: MotorHeads need info [message #216919 is a reply to message #216904] Sun, 04 August 2013 17:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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GMCNUSA wrote on Sun, 04 August 2013 14:38

I have a 1969 boat with a 165 HP chevrolet straight 6. I need to pull the head and me (an old man)with 3 ft breaker bar can not break most of the head bolts loose. Will using an air impact to loosen bolts cause any problems other than maybe snapping off bolts? This sight is the best info on mechanics it does not have young guys who think they know everything and give bad info.
I don't want to ruin this block used blocks are $1700.
Thanks

Can't say that I'm an expert but I would use an impact to get them out. Not very long ago I used an impact to get the spark plugs out of a Toyota that I couldn't budge with a large breaker bar I was sweating each plug thinking it was helicoil time for sure.


Roy Keen Minden,NV 76 X Glenbrook
Re: [GMCnet] MotorHeads need info [message #216922 is a reply to message #216904] Sun, 04 August 2013 18:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Larry,

I would put a piece of pipe over the breaker bar to apply more leverage.

Regards,
Rob M.

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry and Cheryl Dilk

I have a 1969 boat with a 165 HP chevrolet straight 6. I need to pull the head and me (an old man)with 3 ft breaker bar can not
break most of the head bolts loose. Will using an air impact to loosen bolts cause any problems other than maybe snapping off bolts?
This sight is the best info on mechanics it does not have young guys who think they know everything and give bad info.
I don't want to ruin this block used blocks are $1700.
Thanks
--
Larry

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Re: [GMCnet] MotorHeads need info [message #216929 is a reply to message #216922] Sun, 04 August 2013 18:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Keith V is currently offline  Keith V   United States
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an impact wrench is much better at getting stuck bolts out than a hand wrench.

It vibrates the heck out of the bolt and doesn't over stress it.

using a big wrench will more likely break something


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Re: MotorHeads need info [message #216930 is a reply to message #216904] Sun, 04 August 2013 18:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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GMCNUSA wrote on Sun, 04 August 2013 17:38

I have a 1969 boat with a 165 HP chevrolet straight 6. I need to pull the head and me (an old man)with 3 ft breaker bar can not break most of the head bolts loose. Will using an air impact to loosen bolts cause any problems other than maybe snapping off bolts? This sight is the best info on mechanics it does not have young guys who think they know everything and give bad info.
I don't want to ruin this block used blocks are $1700.
Thanks

Larry,

An air wrench won't do any more damage than a long bar might do.

As far as ruining the block, not much chance there.

If a screw gets broken off and is protruding from the block, cover up the bores and deck and weld a nut on the end then do the torch and ATF trick to loosen it.

If a screw gets broke off flush with the block, find a shop with an EDM "Tap Destroyer" and let them get it out. Won't be cheap, but might be 200$us.

If the threads actually get ripped out (slim bet), then find a real machine shop and have them drill and Helicoil that hole. Do not let some mechanic do this by hand as these fasteners have to be VERY square to the deck face.

Go for it Larry.

Matt


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Re: MotorHeads need info [message #216934 is a reply to message #216904] Sun, 04 August 2013 19:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
larry.whisler is currently offline  larry.whisler   United States
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Try setting your torque wrench to the rated torque for the bolt.

Then, try tightening the bolt and flip it to loosen.

Work it back n forth at the rated torque.

I am assuming you have soaked it with penetrating oil.

If it doesn't come loose, increase the torque wrench by
a few pounds and try again.

A lot of patience goes a long way. I've used this method many times with some luck. Using the torque wrench as a 'gauge'
helps in not getting too much twist and break the bolt.

JWID

larry














Re: MotorHeads need info [message #216995 is a reply to message #216904] Mon, 05 August 2013 05:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have a 3/8" impact wrench that I like to use. I soak the bolt with Kroil, beat it both directions with the impact, and soak it again. I let it sit for a day and repeat the process again. It usually takes 3 to 5 days.

If after 5 days if that does not work I get out the 1/2" battery powered impact and try the same thing with that. I have not had to resort to the even stronger 1/2" air powered impact yet.


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Re: [GMCnet] MotorHeads need info [message #217009 is a reply to message #216904] Mon, 05 August 2013 09:05 Go to previous message
Steven Ferguson is currently offline  Steven Ferguson   United States
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Larry,
I have pulled down many motors and sometimes it works best to set the
impact to "tighten" just enough to move the bolt, then back it out.
Steve F


On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Larry and Cheryl Dilk <lwd222@msn.com>wrote:

>
>
> I have a 1969 boat with a 165 HP chevrolet straight 6. I need to pull the
> head and me (an old man)with 3 ft breaker bar can not break most of the
> head bolts loose. Will using an air impact to loosen bolts cause any
> problems other than maybe snapping off bolts? This sight is the best info
> on mechanics it does not have young guys who think they know everything and
> give bad info.
> I don't want to ruin this block used blocks are $1700.
> Thanks
> --
> Larry Dilk
> Indianapolis, IN
> 76 Eleganza II
> Patterson 455,Turbo City TBI,
> Just LOVE It!
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