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Mon, 22 July 2013 09:58  |
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I still don't know what this means but it looks like in might be possible to get an NC title for an out of state vehicle over 35 yers old.
I've seen a lot of vintage campers die a slow painful death becasue they could no be titled
GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF NORTH CAROLINA
SESSION 2013
S 1
SENATE BILL 344
Short Title: Vintage Auto Inspections.
(Public)
Sponsors:
Senator Hartsell (Primary Sponsor).
Referred to:
Commerce.
March 19, 2013
A BILL TO BE ENTITLED
AN ACT to allow for the issuance of title by the division of motor vehicles to the owner of out‑of‑state motor vehicles that are THIRTY-FIVE model years old or older if the license and theft bureau of the division of motor vehicles fails to complete an inspection and verification of the vehicle's identification number within ten days of receiving a request for inspection and verification.
The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts:
SECTION 1. G.S. 20‑53(e) reads as rewritten:
"§ 20‑53. Application for specially constructed, reconstructed, or foreign vehicle.
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(e) No title shall be issued to an initial applicant for (i) out‑of‑state vehicles that are 35 model years old or older or (ii) a specially constructed vehicle prior to the completion of a vehicle verification conducted by the License and Theft Bureau of the Division of Motor Vehicles. These verifications shall be conducted as soon as practical. For an out‑of‑state vehicle that is 35 model years old or older, this inspection shall consist of verifying the public vehicle identification number to ensure that it matches the vehicle and ownership documents. No covert vehicle identification numbers are to be examined on an out‑of‑state vehicle 35 model years or older unless the inspector develops probable cause to believe that the ownership documents or public vehicle identification number presented does not match the vehicle being examined. However, upon such application and the submission of any required documentation, the Division shall be authorized to register the vehicle pending the completion of the verification of the vehicle. The registration shall be valid for one year but shall not be renewed unless and until the vehicle examination has been completed.
If an inspection and verification is not conducted by the License and Theft Bureau of the Division of Motor Vehicles within 10 days after receiving a request for such and the inspector has no probable cause to believe that the ownership documents or public vehicle identification number presented does not match the vehicle being examined, the vehicle shall be deemed to have satisfied all inspection and verification requirements and title shall issue to the owner within 10 days thereafter. If an inspection and verification is timely performed and the vehicle passes the inspection and verification, title shall issue to the owner within 10 days of the date of the inspection.
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SECTION 2. This act is effective when it becomes law.
Dave & Ellen Silva
Hertford, NC
76 Birchaven, 1-ton and other stuff
Currently planning the Great american Road Trip Summer 2021
It's gonna take a lot of Adderall to get this thing right.
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| Re: North Carolina title relief? [message #215340 is a reply to message #215333] |
Mon, 22 July 2013 10:22  |
LarryInSanDiego
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My experience here in CA, YMMV:
I got my title-less GMC titled in CA with (surprisingly) no problem. The DMV employee told me to write my story on a declaration form (the seller could not obtain title from the deceased relative's adult children) - I had zero paperwork other than a bill of sale and copy of the ad explaining how there was no title. The DMV employee wasn't interested in that. She just told me to fill out the declaration, she didn't even bother to read it.
Perhaps a factor was that it hadn't been registered in the prior 7 years. I was informed that once a vehicle's registration stagnates over 3 or 4 years, it falls off their map. Good thing, as I was prepared for a whopping past penalties/overdue registration bill. They had zero record of it, even though I had produced the CA plates that were on it. A pittance of transfer fees, etc. and I was a legal owner!
When I asked why it was so easy to get title to my GMC, she explained it would have been different had the vehicle been a late model, although I didn't ask where that threshold was. Could have also been that I paid only $500 for mine.
Larry Engelbrecht
San Diego, CA
'73 26' ex-Glacier
TZE063V100319 03/07/73
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| Re: North Carolina title relief? [message #215399 is a reply to message #215333] |
Mon, 22 July 2013 18:26 |
rcjordan
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>if the license and theft bureau of the division of motor vehicles fails to complete an inspection and verification of the vehicle's identification number within ten days of receiving a request for inspection and verification.
Looks to me that someone just wants to light a fire under the NCDMV inspections dept. Unless it's changed within the last couple of months, NC has a somewhat draconian requirement that they have a hands-on inspection on antique vehicles before they release the title. This is even for vehicles that had valid out-of-state titles when purchased. I was told it was to be done within 1 year. I have to do this with my GMCs. They issued plates and registration but are holding the titles.
Sooo... if you're NC resident military stationed in CA and buy a 1968 Malibu SS project car, you're going to have to haul it across the country so the DMV guys can check it out before you'll get the title.
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| Re: [GMCnet] North Carolina title relief? [message #215431 is a reply to message #215399] |
Tue, 23 July 2013 08:26 |
Kudzu
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When I switched titles from IN to NC, they never looked at the GMC
"House Car". I got the license plate immediately at the DMV and the
title in the mail in a few weeks. Because of its age, it does not
require a yearly inspection either.
Dan in NC
1976 Eleganza II
On 7/22/2013 7:26 PM, RC Jordan wrote:
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>> if the license and theft bureau of the division of motor vehicles fails to complete an inspection and verification of the vehicle's identification number within ten days of receiving a request for inspection and verification.
> Looks to me that someone just wants to light a fire under the NCDMV inspections dept. Unless it's changed within the last couple of months, NC has a somewhat draconian requirement that they have a hands-on inspection on antique vehicles before they release the title. This is even for vehicles that had valid out-of-state titles when purchased. I was told it was to be done within 1 year. I have to do this with my GMCs. They issued plates and registration but are holding the titles.
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> Sooo... if you're NC resident military stationed in CA and buy a 1968 Malibu SS project car, you're going to have to haul it across the country so the DMV guys can check it out before you'll get the title.
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| Re: North Carolina title relief? [message #215505 is a reply to message #215333] |
Tue, 23 July 2013 22:27 |
rcjordan
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I had a meeting with the local DMV dealer inspectors back in March. They said this was a new-ish change put in place when they found a group re-titling kit cars as high-$$$ antiques. There was also a similar case involving newer Land Rovers out of Wilmington being titled as antiques to avoid inspection.
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| Re: North Carolina title relief? [message #215632 is a reply to message #215333] |
Thu, 25 July 2013 08:26 |
rcjordan
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I was looking up the phone number for the inspections agent and happened across this
Antique and custom-built vehicles presented for first-time titling and registration in North Carolina must be examined and photographed by a local NC Division of Motor Vehicles inspector.
http://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/vehicle/title/vehicles/
I'll add that there seems to be some confusion within the local DMV agencies about the "first-time" requirements. On another antique vehicle that was already registered in NC by the PO, I was told that a road-worthiness inspection would be required BUT I received the title in the mail.
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| Re: North Carolina title relief? [message #216254 is a reply to message #215333] |
Tue, 30 July 2013 11:00 |
rcjordan
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Update:
>NC has a somewhat draconian requirement that they have a hands-on inspection on antique vehicles before they release the title. This is even for vehicles that had valid out-of-state titles when purchased.
OK, I took the Birchaven out to the DMV office this morning to get its mug shots done and file for the title to be released. They (two inspectors) said NC wants to see two (2) instances of the VIN on the coach. Since my 23 did not have the glovebox sticker, they submitted it with only the one tag from the firewall and used the PO's previous Florida registration card as backup but told me that Raleigh might kick it back.
>I was told it was to be done within 1 year.
Yup, right after this thread I received a 6-month warning letter from them. It said they'd void the registration if they didn't see it within another 6 months.
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| Re: [GMCnet] North Carolina title relief? [message #216259 is a reply to message #216254] |
Tue, 30 July 2013 11:13 |
powerjon
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RC,
The VIN# TZE is stamped on the frame on the drivers side just a little way back from where the frame connects to the front clip. It can be upside down. Other may know the exact location. If you look you may find it. Take a wire brush and go check.
JR Wright
78 Buskirk Stretch
75 Avion
Michigan
On Jul 30, 2013, at 12:00 PM, RC Jordan <rc@rcjordan.com> wrote:
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>> NC has a somewhat draconian requirement that they have a hands-on inspection on antique vehicles before they release the title. This is even for vehicles that had valid out-of-state titles when purchased.
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> OK, I took the Birchaven out to the DMV office this morning to get its mug shots done and file for the title to be released. They (two inspectors) said NC wants to see two (2) instances of the VIN on the coach. Since my 23 did not have the glovebox sticker, they submitted it with only the one tag from the firewall and used the PO's previous Florida registration card as backup but told me that Raleigh might kick it back.
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>> I was told it was to be done within 1 year.
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> Yup, right after this thread I received a 6-month warning letter from them. It'd said they'd void the registration if they didn't see it within another 6 months.
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| Re: North Carolina title relief? [message #216276 is a reply to message #215333] |
Tue, 30 July 2013 12:57 |
rcjordan
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Thanks, guys.
>knee
Nope, not there.
>chassis
JimB's crew did a nice, thorough job of undercoating. I'll save that for the last resort.
The PO kept a folder of paperwork. On the day I took possession of the coach, I found the glovebox sticker in that folder (or perhaps in one of the cabinets). Knowing that the co-op was going to be doing a lot of work on the coach, I took the sticker back to NC and filed it away ...somewhere. I was able to find that sticker later this morning and carried it out to the DMV. So the question now is whether Raleigh cares that it technically wasn't attached to the vehicle. But even without the additional verification, the inspector said that he hadn't heard back after an hour and usually that means the home office has accepted his paperwork as-is. We'll see.
If not, it'll be wire brush time. I believe I saw a photo that showed the vin location on the inside vertical face of the chassis. Correct?
SOLD 77 Royale Coachmen Side Dry Bath
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76 Eleganza
Elizabeth City, NC
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| Re: [GMCnet] North Carolina title relief? [message #216284 is a reply to message #216254] |
Tue, 30 July 2013 13:30 |
Kudzu
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I now recall that before I could even start the title request, I had to
take it to an DMV office for them to look at the VIN stamps. The one in
the glove box was there but loose (dried glue). This was different than
an annual safety inspection which the older vehicles no longer need.
Other than having to go to 2 different DMV offices, the process was
pretty smooth.
Dan in NC
1976 Eleganza II
On 7/30/2013 12:00 PM, RC Jordan wrote:
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> Update:
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>> NC has a somewhat draconian requirement that they have a hands-on inspection on antique vehicles before they release the title. This is even for vehicles that had valid out-of-state titles when purchased.
> OK, I took the Birchaven out to the DMV office this morning to get its mug shots done and file for the title to be released. They (two inspectors) said NC wants to see two (2) instances of the VIN on the coach. Since my 23 did not have the glovebox sticker, they submitted it with only the one tag from the firewall and used the PO's previous Florida registration card as backup but told me that Raleigh might kick it back.
>
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>> I was told it was to be done within 1 year.
> Yup, right after this thread I received a 6-month warning letter from them. It'd said they'd void the registration if they didn't see it within another 6 months.
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| Re: North Carolina title relief? [message #216285 is a reply to message #215333] |
Tue, 30 July 2013 13:40 |
rcjordan
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>before I could even start the title request, I had to take it to an DMV office
Yeah, so suffice it to say that I've been amused & amazed by Robin's luck with the "mail order title" process.
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| Re: [GMCnet] North Carolina title relief? [message #216290 is a reply to message #216276] |
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IIRC it is on the outside of the frame, upside down about a couple of feet
or more back from the front clip, drivers side.
Marsh (who almost never post anymore) Wilkes
Perry Fl
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From: "RC Jordan" <rc@rcjordan.com>
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] North Carolina title relief?
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> Thanks, guys.
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>>knee
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> Nope, not there.
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>>chassis
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> JimB's crew did a nice, thorough job of undercoating. I'll save that for
> the last resort.
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> The PO kept a folder of paperwork. On the day I took possession of the
> coach, I found the glovebox sticker in that folder (or perhaps in one of
> the cabinets). Knowing that the co-op was going to be doing a lot of work
> on the coach, I took the sticker back to NC and filed it away
> ...somewhere. I was able to find that sticker later this morning and
> carried it out to the DMV. So the question now is whether Raleigh cares
> that it technically wasn't attached to the vehicle. But even without the
> additional verification, the inspector said that he hadn't heard back
> after an hour and usually that means the home office has accepted his
> paperwork as-is. We'll see.
>
> If not, it'll be wire brush time. I believe I saw a photo that showed the
> vin location on the inside vertical face of the chassis. Correct?
> --
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> 76 Birchaven Coachmen Side Wet Bath
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| Re: [GMCnet] North Carolina title relief? [message #216297 is a reply to message #216285] |
Tue, 30 July 2013 15:12 |
Robin Hood
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Yeah, the stars really aligned for me, and I was able to get notarized
bills of sale, and had to pay for two title bonds. So far, no requirement
for in-person inspections (which can be required under certain
circumstances).
I would trade wasp problems for title problems in a HEARTBEAT!
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 1:40 PM, RC Jordan <rc@rcjordan.com> wrote:
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> >before I could even start the title request, I had to take it to an DMV
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> Yeah, so suffice it to say that I've been amused & amazed by Robin's luck
> with the "mail order title" process.
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Robin Hood
Jackson, MS
2013 Subaru Outback "Top Flight"
1968 Pontiac Catalina "The Cheshire Cat"
1978 GMC Royale motorhome "Pinto Bean"
1977 GMC Palm Beach motorhome "Barn Queen"
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