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Mon, 08 July 2013 11:53  |
Cadillackeeper
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I been on a Mission to get the dealer sales films.I called Applied,said they were out but more on the way.I called Sirum,they said they never had them or even seen them.I called the Coop and they asked me why in the world would I want them.Cinnabar also never had or seen them Anyways I sent an E-mail I feel to the proper place and I think we will be watching them soon!
Anyone else seen them or own them already?
I just want to see how they actually justify some of the color combos.I know it was the 70's I had a leisure suit too but sheeze...
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| Re: 13 Films [message #213706 is a reply to message #213700] |
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Bill Bryant is the GMC Historian and has vast knowledge of the GMC. He personally interviewed a bunch of the key GMC designers and engineers in the 90's, and also tracked down and converted the videos you're looking for to digital.
http://bdub.net/billbryant/
Richard
'77 Birchaven TZE...777;
'76 Palm Beach under construction;
‘76 Edgemont waiting its turn
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| Re: 13 Films [message #213710 is a reply to message #213700] |
Mon, 08 July 2013 13:20 |
Cadillackeeper
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Yuup,That be the guy!!Hopefully he will respond to the mail and sell me a set! I can't wait!!
77 455 Elaganza II and 67 Animal, Built 500 Powered Eldo
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| Re: 13 Films [message #213740 is a reply to message #213710] |
Mon, 08 July 2013 20:45 |
bryant374
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Yuup,That be the guy!!Hopefully he will respond to the mail and sell me a set! I can't wait!!
Applied had run out of the DVD sales films and History CDs. I will be mailing them some replacement copies tomorrow.
Bill Bryant
PO 1976~PB (owned 34 years)
1914 Ford (owned 70 years)
1965 Corvette (owned 39 years)
GMC Motorhome History
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| Re: 13 Films [message #213751 is a reply to message #213740] |
Mon, 08 July 2013 21:42 |
Cadillackeeper
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I guess I can call and pay and wait. I Will be watching them soon! Thanks Bill.
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| Re: 13 Films [message #213764 is a reply to message #213751] |
Tue, 09 July 2013 06:50 |
hertfordnc
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How much video are we talking about? What would be the obstacle to hosting them online?
Server space is cheap.
Dave & Ellen Silva
Hertford, NC
76 Birchaven, 1-ton and other stuff
Currently planning the Great american Road Trip Summer 2021
It's gonna take a lot of Adderall to get this thing right.
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| Re: 13 Films [message #213774 is a reply to message #213700] |
Tue, 09 July 2013 09:13 |
Cadillackeeper
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Fortunatly nobody has ever uploaded them so they can still be for sale.Once something goes out its over.Pirates live like this.
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| Re: 13 Films [message #213775 is a reply to message #213774] |
Tue, 09 July 2013 09:40 |
bryant374
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13 Films
Tue, 09 July 2013 10:13
Cadillackeeper
Fortunatly nobody has ever uploaded them so they can still be for sale.Once something goes out its over.Pirates live like this.
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Yes, I am thankful that no one has pirared these films. Some of you have heard the story. The effort to find, purchase, convert & make available to the GMC MH community has been considerable.
Hopefully in a month or two I will have another rare (as in "the only one") film, "Workprint" will be available, Again, it has been a struggle to get it ready but we are nearly there. I don't expect to make a profit on this, I will consider myself fortunate if I break even.
Bill Bryant
PO 1976~PB (owned 34 years)
1914 Ford (owned 70 years)
1965 Corvette (owned 39 years)
GMC Motorhome History
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| Re: [GMCnet] 13 Films [message #213776 is a reply to message #213774] |
Tue, 09 July 2013 09:38 |
Robin Hood
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But at some point, if the data is to be preserved, it may have to be
released into the wild. It's one of the reasons that copyrights expire, so
that after a reasonable time for the content creators to have made their
profits, it can enter the public domain and be available to all rather than
being locked away in some vault by a corporation with a "if I can't profit
from it, nobody else will!" mentality *coughcoughDisneycough*. (Disney is
also a special case that I won't go into here).
There's some cheesy fun black and white sci-fi movies that have fallen into
the public domain, and it's the only reason that people have been able to
enjoy them.
I would prefer rampant piracy to content being lost forever when a
rights-holder no longer wishes to keep something available, because it
helps ensure that content never dies.
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:13 AM, anthony ezzo <ezzo@earthlink.net> wrote:
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> Fortunatly nobody has ever uploaded them so they can still be for
> sale.Once something goes out its over.Pirates live like this.
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| Re: [GMCnet] 13 Films [message #213779 is a reply to message #213775] |
Tue, 09 July 2013 09:57 |
Mr ERFisher
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These are the greatest
Wish there was a way we could sell them at the GMCWS rally
Thanks for doing this
Gene
FREE WIFI @ Mickey D
On Jul 9, 2013, at 7:40 AM, Bill Bryant <bryant374@earthlink.net> wrote:
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> Cadillackeeper
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> Fortunatly nobody has ever uploaded them so they can still be for sale.Once something goes out its over.Pirates live like this.
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> Yes, I am thankful that no one has pirared these films. Some of you have heard the story. The effort to find, purchase, convert & make available to the GMC MH community has been considerable.
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> Hopefully in a month or two I will have another rare (as in "the only one") film, "Workprint" will be available, Again, it has been a struggle to get it ready but we are nearly there. I don't expect to make a profit on this, I will consider myself fortunate if I break even.
> --
> Bill Bryant
> 1976~PB
> 1914 Ford
> 1965 Corvette
> GMC MH History CD
> GMC Showroom Films DVD
> http://bdub.net/billbryant/
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| Re: [GMCnet] 13 Films [message #213786 is a reply to message #213779] |
Tue, 09 July 2013 10:37 |
bryant374
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These are the greatest
Wish there was a way we could sell them at the GMCWS rally
Thanks for doing this
Gene
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Gene,
Check with Jim K, he is the one that is selling them now.
Bill Bryant
PO 1976~PB (owned 34 years)
1914 Ford (owned 70 years)
1965 Corvette (owned 39 years)
GMC Motorhome History
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| Re: [GMCnet] 13 Films [message #213808 is a reply to message #213776] |
Tue, 09 July 2013 13:54 |
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Richard RV
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| Robin Hood wrote on Tue, 09 July 2013 07:38 |
But at some point, if the data is to be preserved, it may have to be
released into the wild. It's one of the reasons that copyrights expire, so that after a reasonable time for the content creators to have made their profits, it can enter the public domain and be available to all rather than being locked away in some vault by a corporation with a "if I can't profit from it, nobody else will!" mentality *coughcoughDisneycough*. (Disney is also a special case that I won't go into here).
There's some cheesy fun black and white sci-fi movies that have fallen into the public domain, and it's the only reason that people have been able to enjoy them.
I would prefer rampant piracy to content being lost forever when a rights-holder no longer wishes to keep something available, because it helps ensure that content never dies.
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Hey Robin. Comparing a long-time dedicated GMC individual who invested huge amounts of time and effort to preserve and insure that the "content never dies" to a corporation (Disney?!) is bordering on the absurd. I didn't see a smiley so I'll assume you're serious in what you say.
Bill spent years tracking down the videos in question and spent a lot of blood, sweat and tears trying to get 70's era technology converted to digital media (think optical soundtracks and synchronization issues). The suggestion to pull the sheets out from under one of the smallest but most dedicated GMC vendors rankles.
The content won't be lost - Bill is seeing to that. Considering that the wealth of information he has preserved would cost you less than filling up half of your auxiliary tank, is it really such a burden to pay? Is it worth undermining a GMC resource? Those are obviously rhetorical questions, and I'm sure you meant no harm when you wrote what you did.
take care
Richard
'77 Birchaven TZE...777;
'76 Palm Beach under construction;
‘76 Edgemont waiting its turn
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| Re: 13 Films [message #213809 is a reply to message #213764] |
Tue, 09 July 2013 13:59 |
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| hertfordnc wrote on Tue, 09 July 2013 04:50 |
What would be the obstacle to hosting them online?
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Without Bill's blessings...? A conscience.
Richard
'77 Birchaven TZE...777;
'76 Palm Beach under construction;
‘76 Edgemont waiting its turn
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| Re: [GMCnet] 13 Films [message #213812 is a reply to message #213808] |
Tue, 09 July 2013 14:36 |
Robin Hood
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Certainly no harm was intended, and I definitely appreciate what he's done
and how much effort it must have been, and I hope that folks are able to
keep it available for a long time to come.
I'm tallking about a time frame of decades here. Forty years from now will
there be a GMC vendor keeping the videos available? I'd like to hope so...
but I'll be 80 years old then.
It's hard to preserve information for the long term. The best way is to
carve it into a rock or stamp it into metal, and then there's certain ways
of treating paper that makes it last a long time in a library... but film
and digital media are very susceptible to bit rot. Even compact disks will
age out. I believe that USB and compact flash disks can't hold their
memories forever. In the long term, only digital copying with error
correction will be able to make sure that our treasure trove of GMC
information survives the long haul.
Bdub's manuals will probably still be available 100 years from now, because
they're so easily and widely distributed. The GMC films (which I never even
heard of until today) risk fading away into obscurity unless they are
ultimately uploaded. Secret proprietary knowledge will die and be lost
forever; don't take things to your grave if you can help it.
That's where I'm coming from, not trying to throw a wet blanket onto the
awesome work that Mr. Bryant has done, or to suggest that he needs to start
giving away what he worked so hard to put together for free. :)
And no, there's no comparison between Disney and Bill Bryant; Disney is
EVIL. :)
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Richard <GMC77Birchaven@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Robin Hood wrote on Tue, 09 July 2013 07:38
> > But at some point, if the data is to be preserved, it may have to be
> > released into the wild. It's one of the reasons that copyrights expire,
> so that after a reasonable time for the content creators to have made their
> profits, it can enter the public domain and be available to all rather than
> being locked away in some vault by a corporation with a "if I can't profit
> from it, nobody else will!" mentality *coughcoughDisneycough*. (Disney is
> also a special case that I won't go into here).
> >
> > There's some cheesy fun black and white sci-fi movies that have fallen
> into the public domain, and it's the only reason that people have been able
> to enjoy them.
> >
> > I would prefer rampant piracy to content being lost forever when a
> rights-holder no longer wishes to keep something available, because it
> helps ensure that content never dies.
>
>
> Hey Robin. Comparing a long-time dedicated GMC individual who invested
> huge amounts of time and effort to preserve and insure that the "content
> never dies" to a corporation (Disney?!) is bordering on the absurd. I
> didn't see a smiley so I'll assume you're serious in what you say.
>
> Bill spent years tracking down the videos in question and spent a lot of
> blood, sweat and tears trying to get 70's era technology converted to
> digital media (think optical soundtracks and synchronization issues). The
> suggestion to pull the sheets out from under one of the smallest but most
> dedicated GMC vendors rankles.
>
> The content won't be lost - Bill is seeing to that. Considering that the
> wealth of information he has preserved would cost you less than filling up
> half of your auxiliary tank, is it really such a burden to pay? Is it
> worth undermining a GMC resource? Those are obviously rhetorical
> questions, and I'm sure you meant no harm when you wrote what you did.
>
> take care
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> Richard
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| Re: 13 Films [message #213832 is a reply to message #213809] |
Tue, 09 July 2013 18:17 |
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| Richard V. wrote on Tue, 09 July 2013 13:59 |
| hertfordnc wrote on Tue, 09 July 2013 04:50 |
What would be the obstacle to hosting them online?
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Without Bill's blessings...? A conscience.
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Sorry, not suggesting they be pirated. I misunderstood the problem.
Dave & Ellen Silva
Hertford, NC
76 Birchaven, 1-ton and other stuff
Currently planning the Great american Road Trip Summer 2021
It's gonna take a lot of Adderall to get this thing right.
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| Re: 13 Films [message #215088 is a reply to message #213700] |
Sat, 20 July 2013 00:51 |
George Beckman
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| Cadillackeeper wrote on Mon, 08 July 2013 09:53 |
I been on a Mission to get the dealer sales films.
Anyone else seen them or own them already?
I just want to see how they actually justify some of the color combos.I know it was the 70's I had a leisure suit too but sheeze...
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I love the films. The salesman, at the lot, is in a white lab coat. Gotta love it. The couples that take a test drive are in full 70's garb and hair. After Lab Coat drives they let the woman drive. And they show her with one hand on the wheel, delicately.
One shows the woman driving at the slalom course. With radial tires I would think the GMC would capsize. Great fun to watch.
"and look at that glass of milk!"
'74 Eleganza, SE, Howell + EBL
Best Wishes,
George
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| Re: [GMCnet] 13 Films [message #215196 is a reply to message #215088] |
Sun, 21 July 2013 08:55 |
Robin Hood
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Who do I send money to? :-)
On Saturday, July 20, 2013, George Beckman wrote:
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> Cadillackeeper wrote on Mon, 08 July 2013 09:53
> > I been on a Mission to get the dealer sales films.
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> > Anyone else seen them or own them already?
> > I just want to see how they actually justify some of the color combos.I
> know it was the 70's I had a leisure suit too but sheeze...
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> I love the films. The salesman, at the lot, is in a white lab coat. Gotta
> love it. The couples that take a test drive are in full 70's garb and hair.
> After Lab Coat drives they let the woman drive. And they show her with one
> hand on the wheel, delicately.
>
> One shows the woman driving at the slalom course. With radial tires I
> would think the GMC would capsize. Great fun to watch.
>
> "and look at that glass of milk!"
>
> --
> '74 Eleganza, SE, Howell + EBL
> Best Wishes,
> George
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1978 GMC Royale motorhome "Pinto Bean"
1977 GMC Palm Beach motorhome "Barn Queen"
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