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Mon, 08 July 2013 05:49  |
cadelec
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Hi
i am still trying to decide what model GMC to buy. we are tending to wards a dry side bath with twin beds in the rear so i think this includes some Royales, avion and edgmonts. as i will be bringing this to Australia and i will have to swap the door to the other side, i have had a look at the structural drawings and it appears that the framework is similar on both sides
what i need to know
is are all the side dry bath the same dimensions
i have seen at least 1 unit where the end of the bath unit closest to the driver comes forward in line of the rear door frame.
if this is the case then my new door location on the LHS of the coach will have to be moved forward.
this info my make me reconsider which model to purchase
thanks
trevor
Trevor
Brisbane Australia
Siesta Koala 76 Edgemont (old Bobby Moores)
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| Re: Dry side bath location [message #213668 is a reply to message #213666] |
Mon, 08 July 2013 06:58  |
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The Avion model, with the small coach forward of the kitchen sink may provide an easier spot to move the door. Do something similar to the door set-up of the 23', right behind the driver's door. Would, and this is a guess, not have to rearrange much of the interior. Look into getting the side window from a 23' if you go this way. Probably difficult to find down under.
I do not know about the other twins interior arrangement.
Tom, MS II
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| Re: Dry side bath location [message #213685 is a reply to message #213666] |
Mon, 08 July 2013 10:26 |
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On one hand, swapping the refrigerator with the door sounds like a lot less hassle than replumbing sinks (almost all layouts other than the Royales), or relocating the stove right next to the dinette in the rear twin bed layout.
My Royale's in storage right now, so I can't swear to whether or not the shower intrudes into the area you'd need to relocate the door, but I'm pretty sure the forward edge of the shower (rear edge of the fridge) is a bit forward of the rear of the door opening on the right side. My recollection is that the view looking straight into the door has the left (rear) side of the fridge offset slightly to the right of the door's rear edge, but perhaps someone with a Royale can take a measurement to make sure.
Mark Hickey
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| Re: Dry side bath location [message #213929 is a reply to message #213727] |
Wed, 10 July 2013 14:31 |
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mike miller
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| hal kading wrote on Mon, 08 July 2013 14:59 |
During the 77 model year some Kingsley's,and maybe other GM finished coaches had the dry bath/rear twin configuration in place of the discontinued Edgemont.
Based on our 24 years and 3 coach GMC experience the forward door location, just behind the copilot, as in the 23 foot coaches is the best.
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Any coach with a TZE starting with "TZE2..." would be a GM upfitted coach with rear twin beds and a dry bath on the (USA) drivers side. See: <http://www.gmcmhregistry.com/Trivia.html>
I am fairly sure they (and many other "non-Royale" twin bed coaches) have a small "love seat" just aft of the Driver's seat. removing it could give the space needed to install a 23 foot style door on that side of the coach. I agree that just aft of the cockpit is the best place for a door. (I own 2 23 foot coaches.)
About the Royales, If you look at the brochure: <http://www.bdub.net/publications/1978_GMC_by_Coachman/1978_GMC_Coachman6.htm>
It looks like the bath ends fairly even with the aft edge of the entrance door. The space across from the door is the cabinet containing the refrigerator. Seems that could be swapped sides with the door. You might even just leave the current door in place and use the window space for the venting.... (Just thinking)
Anyway.... the other changes needed to make a GMC "legal" down under make the worrying about the layout of the current coach a bit trivial. from all accounts, getting a GMC set up for down there, isn't cheap or for the faint of heart. More power to you if you go for it!
On that note: I wonder if it would be good to keep the controls on the OEM location and just add another set to the other side. Kind of like an airplane. Then the Co-pilot could drive when the Pilot needed to go to the loo. ... without stopping! 
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
(#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
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| Re: Dry side bath location [message #213998 is a reply to message #213929] |
Thu, 11 July 2013 04:59 |
cadelec
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About the Royales, If you look at the brochure: <http://www.bdub.net/publications/1978_GMC_by_Coachman/1978_GMC_Coachman6.htm>
thanks for the link it is good to see the origiinal list of inclusions
i have seen these layouts a few time my concern is that they may not be to scale and just indicative of the general layout
we are interested in one in Louisville which has a rear opening hatch
this will get us past registration and as the vehicle is over 30 years old we dont legally have to convert to right hand drive. so we can register it as is and then drive a bit and see how we cope with Left hand drive. My caddys are all Left hand drive and i have no problems with them but the GMC may pose a few mere problems due to size
Trevor
Brisbane Australia
Siesta Koala 76 Edgemont (old Bobby Moores)
71 Cadillac Eldo Convert
58 Cadillac Eldorado Brougham Project
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dry side bath location [message #214024 is a reply to message #213998] |
Thu, 11 July 2013 09:20 |
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USAussie
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Trevor,
In NSW the 30 year rule DOES NOT APPLY for vehicles over 4.5 Tonnes! I think you're good to go in QLD though. However, I suggest you
go see Mark Bennett's GMC and decide if you REALLY want to drive a vehicle as large as a GMC from the "wrong" seat!
Regards,
Rob M.
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From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Trevor Pordage
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 5:01 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Dry side bath location
About the Royales, If you look at the brochure: <http://www.bdub.net/publications/1978_GMC_by_Coachman/1978_GMC_Coachman6.htm>
thanks for the link it is good to see the origiinal list of inclusions
i have seen these layouts a few time my concern is that they may not be to scale and just indicative of the general layout
we are interested in one in Louisville which has a rear opening hatch
this will get us past registration and as the vehicle is over 30 years old we dont legally have to convert to right hand drive. so
we can register it as is and then drive a bit and see how we cope with Left hand drive. My caddys are all Left hand drive and i have
no problems with them but the GMC may pose a few mere problems due to size
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dry side bath location [message #214025 is a reply to message #213929] |
Thu, 11 July 2013 09:22 |
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USAussie
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Mike,
There's a guy in Sydney that does RHD conversions for $10,000. He did The Blue Streak and it's a nice job.
Regards,
Rob M.
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Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 2:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Dry side bath location
hal kading wrote on Mon, 08 July 2013 14:59
> During the 77 model year some Kingsley's,and maybe other GM finished coaches had the dry bath/rear twin configuration in place of
the discontinued Edgemont.
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> Based on our 24 years and 3 coach GMC experience the forward door location, just behind the copilot, as in the 23 foot coaches is
the best.
Any coach with a TZE starting with "TZE2..." would be a GM upfitted coach with rear twin beds and a dry bath on the (USA) drivers
side. See: <http://www.gmcmhregistry.com/Trivia.html>
I am fairly sure they (and many other "non-Royale" twin bed coaches) have a small "love seat" just aft of the Driver's seat.
removing it could give the space needed to install a 23 foot style door on that side of the coach. I agree that just aft of the
cockpit is the best place for a door. (I own 2 23 foot coaches.)
About the Royales, If you look at the brochure: <http://www.bdub.net/publications/1978_GMC_by_Coachman/1978_GMC_Coachman6.htm>
It looks like the bath ends fairly even with the aft edge of the entrance door. The space across from the door is the cabinet
containing the refrigerator. Seems that could be swapped sides with the door. You might even just leave the current door in place
and use the window space for the venting.... (Just thinking)
Anyway.... the other changes needed to make a GMC "legal" down under make the worrying about the layout of the current coach a bit
trivial. from all accounts, getting a GMC set up for down there, isn't cheap or for the faint of heart. More power to you if you
go for it!
On that note: I wonder if it would be good to keep the controls on the OEM location and just add another set to the other side.
Kind of like an airplane. Then the Co-pilot could drive when the Pilot needed to go to the loo. ... without stopping! 8o
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Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
(#1)'73 26' exPainted D. -- (#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dry side bath location [message #214081 is a reply to message #214027] |
Thu, 11 July 2013 20:01 |
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USAussie
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Matt,
There's a guy that has a LHD GNC in NSW who didn't want to convert it and was going to do what you suggest.
Driving a LHD car in a RHD country I one thing, a 26 foot long, 8 foot wide GMC is another story!
I have my Dad's 1968 Type III Squareback in Sydney and it's no problem.
Regards,
Rob M.
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From: Matt Colie
Trevor,
Idea for you consider. If you can register and drive the vehicle, you might just supplant your own vision with little cameras in
the needed locations. They are very inexpensive these days. Being able to see where the corners are would be real handy.
I have owned and driven several RHD cars in the LHD country, and don't ask how I got so good at repairing the left front fenders of
Morgans.
Matt
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| Re: Dry side bath location [message #214090 is a reply to message #213666] |
Thu, 11 July 2013 21:24 |
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Rob, driving an 8 foot wide vehicle, right or left hand drive, would be a challenge in Oz. I used to live in Killara (northern suburb of Sydney) and the Hummers literally stuck over the center line AND the shoulder line on the Pacific Highway (major highway to Sydney from the northern suburbs). That's probably one reason they didn't sell many Hummers, I suppose. My hat's off to anyone driving any RV in Australia...
Mark Hickey
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dry side bath location [message #214122 is a reply to message #214104] |
Fri, 12 July 2013 09:22 |
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USAussie
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Trevor,
There is an addendum to Peter's story. His GMC was the first coach I ever saw up close and personal. It was owned by a dentist in
Sydney. Somehow he got it registered under 4.5 tonne with car plates and without moving the door! The PO of The Blue Streak didn't
get it registered as a car BUT it was registered without moving the door. I reckon SOMEBODY got a back hander! ;-)
Under NO circumstances bring a GMC into Australia with 16.5 wheels, they are IMPOSSIBLE to get here unless you import them yourself.
It will have to go deck cargo as it will not fit into a container and you will be charged by the volume as measured. Remove the
awnings, mirrors, and spare tire / mount and you'll save money!
Peter,
We need to get pictures of what the guy in Victoria did, who knows it could be a W. Heath Robinson conversion (Rube Goldberg)!
Send me the pictures and I'll post them.
Regards,
Rob M.
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From: Peter Bailey
Trevor,
Don't worry too much about converting to RHD it is not all that difficult on a GMC Motorhome. Recently a guy from Victoria moved to
Queensland and he converted a 23' coach himself and I remember him saying it cost him $8.00 for a bolt for the idler arm plus the
engineers report (around $600) but ofcourse he did all the work himself including the dash which appears original looking and does
not have the higher section near the glass if you mirror the original straight over.
I think I advised you previously the easiest conversion of the door if you want to retain the furniture predominately down the left
had side then go for a door location in the centre of the large forward window. I have pictures of mine which I will send to Rob as
I dont think he would mind loading them on the photo site for you to see what I am talking about.
One other thing while the framing to the left where the galley window is appears to be a mirror of the righjt hand side, it is not
there is a small difference at the lower half which requires some cutting and re- welding of metal to be able to fit the door frame.
Once you have made your decision ask what you need to bring back to make it happen because it is a lot easioer and cheaper to ship
it back with the coach especially if you choose to fit a second door.
By the way it is not that difficult to get the weight under 4.5 tonne with mopst coaches except perhaps the models with solid timber
furniture are very heavy. Toss out the generator (that is most of the weight required gone)the LPG tank has to go, you will not need
a furnace where you come from and the addition of alloy wheels is half the weight of the originals.
Mine weighs 4.2 tonne with just what I mentioned gone but I was advised by the SA authorities if I want it re-rated to under
4.5tonnes I would have to get General Motors to approve it, so fat chance that is going to happen, fortunately I have a Heavy
vehicle license.
Peter Bailey
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| Re: Dry side bath location [message #214283 is a reply to message #214104] |
Sun, 14 July 2013 04:58 |
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| peter bailey wrote on Fri, 12 July 2013 15:36 |
Trevor,
Don't worry too much about converting to RHD
Peter Bailey
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thanks peter
i wont make the decision about converting the steering until we get it here .
Trevor
Brisbane Australia
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71 Cadillac Eldo Convert
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dry side bath location [message #214284 is a reply to message #214122] |
Sun, 14 July 2013 05:02 |
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| Robert Mueller wrote on Sat, 13 July 2013 00:22 |
Trevor,
Under NO circumstances bring a GMC into Australia with 16.5 wheels, they are IMPOSSIBLE to get here unless you import them yourself.
It will have to go deck cargo as it will not fit into a container and you will be charged by the volume as measured. Remove the
awnings, mirrors, and spare tire / mount and you'll save money!
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I am aware of the 16 inch wheel problems so are concentrating on ones that have already had this converted
shipping enquires have come to between 110 - 130 dollars per square metre roll on roll off my guess between 7-10k
Trevor
Brisbane Australia
Siesta Koala 76 Edgemont (old Bobby Moores)
71 Cadillac Eldo Convert
58 Cadillac Eldorado Brougham Project
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dry side bath location [message #214357 is a reply to message #214291] |
Sun, 14 July 2013 19:35 |
cadelec
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| Robert Mueller wrote on Sun, 14 July 2013 23:22 |
Trevor,
Forgot to mention that The Blue Streak came without awnings, the PO / importer told me they were stolen while in transit.
Regards,
Rob M.
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i have heard about the theft problem. maybe if i don't convert the door before i bring it back . then pull off all the external stuff and put it down the back between the beds then pile the junk second hand door and parts on top. might discourage theft as it will look like a pile of junk bits and pieces
Trevor
Brisbane Australia
Siesta Koala 76 Edgemont (old Bobby Moores)
71 Cadillac Eldo Convert
58 Cadillac Eldorado Brougham Project
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