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Fri, 14 June 2013 17:59  |
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Hi all,
Many of you know that Sharon and I purchased a second coach after loosing the engine in our 78 Royale rear lounge on the way to Mexico this winter. Three failed engines later it is sitting in our garage in Kerby, Oregon, with a forth rebuilt engine ready to go in when we get back.
The second coach is a Clasco that the owner of Laminart (high end industrial laminates) took to Clasco for a full redo in 1994. Both JimB and one of the guys who works with him were at Clasco when this coach was built. They both remembered the coach and the owner (now in his mid 90s and living in Naples, FL). This coach has been driven only 11k miles since coming out of Clasco and has been stored in an air conditioned building. The owner insisted on having a $300 detailing done before we took possession. it really is stunning and looks like a time capsule. You can see pics on JimBs Daily Pose.
The coach was taken to Orlando where it got new tires, tune up, belts, hoses and rubber parts where needed. All systems were checked and found functioning properly. We flew in a week or so ago to help with final preparations. We added a new 220ah 12vdc d4 AGM battery for the house and an AGM starting battery for the chassis. We left the front diode isolator in place as the .8 voltage loss across the isolator will bring the alternator output down to the correct long term charging voltage for the AGM batteries. A new three stage charger converter provides filtered 12dc to the house and proper charge for the house AGM battery. We will add a 2000w true sine wave inverter when we get home. For now a small modified square wave inverter powers the chargers for the cell phones, iPad, iPod, PowerBook and LED TV.
We are now at the end of day two of the trip home. I will use this subject as a form of a blog to share our experiences bringing this grand old lady to a new home in Oregon. She has never been to a rally so will be new to you all and I think you will like what you see when you join us for the three club rally in Coos Bay, OR, the first week in October (details on the GMCWS, GMC49ers and GMC Cascaders web sites or email me).
Tonight we are at a remote fish camp on the bayou in Mississippi. The coach is waking nicely and runs more smoothly today than when we started. She does run what I consider too hot at a gauge indicated 205 to 212 after I added a cooling system enhancer product that did reduce the temps 5 to 10 degrees right in line with claims. I can't hear the fan clutch cycling but Jim's guys said they did confirm that it was working properly. When I find the correct fan clutch somewhere on the road I will install a new one to see if that brings the temps in line. Locals say these temps are "normal" for air temps around 100 and humidity near the same. Hot here!
The coach is very solid with every surface a nicely coordinated light gray Laminart product mounted on really flat substrates. Doors close with a reassuring "snick", the counter tops are granite look solid surface, corners are all polished aluminum and light fixtures are chrome eyeball reading lights and hidden twinkly lights. Seating is all light gray leather look vinyl. The overall effect is what I call "who shrunk the Prevost" as it reminds me of pre-slide Prevost conversions of the mid90s. Floor plan is standard GMC but looks larger with all these light interior colors.
More tomorrow.
Jerry
Jerry Work
The Dovetail Joint
Fine furniture designed & hand crafted
in the 1907 former Masonic Temple building
in historic Kerby, OR
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| Re: [GMCnet] Clasco on the road [message #211134 is a reply to message #211111] |
Sat, 15 June 2013 06:41  |
Steven Ferguson
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That is just GREAT Jerry.
Steve F.
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Gerald Work <glwork@mac.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Many of you know that Sharon and I purchased a second coach after loosing
> the engine in our 78 Royale rear lounge on the way to Mexico this winter.
> Three failed engines later it is sitting in our garage in Kerby, Oregon,
> with a forth rebuilt engine ready to go in when we get back.
>
> The second coach is a Clasco that the owner of Laminart (high end
> industrial laminates) took to Clasco for a full redo in 1994. Both JimB
> and one of the guys who works with him were at Clasco when this coach was
> built. They both remembered the coach and the owner (now in his mid 90s
> and living in Naples, FL). This coach has been driven only 11k miles since
> coming out of Clasco and has been stored in an air conditioned building.
> The owner insisted on having a $300 detailing done before we took
> possession. it really is stunning and looks like a time capsule. You can
> see pics on JimBs Daily Pose.
>
> The coach was taken to Orlando where it got new tires, tune up, belts,
> hoses and rubber parts where needed. All systems were checked and found
> functioning properly. We flew in a week or so ago to help with final
> preparations. We added a new 220ah 12vdc d4 AGM battery for the house and
> an AGM starting battery for the chassis. We left the front diode isolator
> in place as the .8 voltage loss across the isolator will bring the
> alternator output down to the correct long term charging voltage for the
> AGM batteries. A new three stage charger converter provides filtered 12dc
> to the house and proper charge for the house AGM battery. We will add a
> 2000w true sine wave inverter when we get home. For now a small modified
> square wave inverter powers the chargers for the cell phones, iPad, iPod,
> PowerBook and LED TV.
>
> We are now at the end of day two of the trip home. I will use this
> subject as a form of a blog to share our experiences bringing this grand
> old lady to a new home in Oregon. She has never been to a rally so will be
> new to you all and I think you will like what you see when you join us for
> the three club rally in Coos Bay, OR, the first week in October (details on
> the GMCWS, GMC49ers and GMC Cascaders web sites or email me).
>
> Tonight we are at a remote fish camp on the bayou in Mississippi. The
> coach is waking nicely and runs more smoothly today than when we started.
> She does run what I consider too hot at a gauge indicated 205 to 212 after
> I added a cooling system enhancer product that did reduce the temps 5 to 10
> degrees right in line with claims. I can't hear the fan clutch cycling but
> Jim's guys said they did confirm that it was working properly. When I find
> the correct fan clutch somewhere on the road I will install a new one to
> see if that brings the temps in line. Locals say these temps are "normal"
> for air temps around 100 and humidity near the same. Hot here!
>
> The coach is very solid with every surface a nicely coordinated light gray
> Laminart product mounted on really flat substrates. Doors close with a
> reassuring "snick", the counter tops are granite look solid surface,
> corners are all polished aluminum and light fixtures are chrome eyeball
> reading lights and hidden twinkly lights. Seating is all light gray
> leather look vinyl. The overall effect is what I call "who shrunk the
> Prevost" as it reminds me of pre-slide Prevost conversions of the mid90s.
> Floor plan is standard GMC but looks larger with all these light interior
> colors.
>
> More tomorrow.
>
> Jerry
>
> Jerry Work
> The Dovetail Joint
> Fine furniture designed & hand crafted
> in the 1907 former Masonic Temple building
> in historic Kerby, OR
> Http://jerrywork.com
> 541-592-5360
> Cell 541-499-1027
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| Re: [GMCnet] Clasco on the road [message #211157 is a reply to message #211111] |
Sat, 15 June 2013 10:30 |
JohnL455
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Sounds very nice. Isn't the feedback to the voltage reg after the isolator on the engine side so the diode voltage drop is negated? After you check the alignment it should really drive nice!
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] Clasco on the road [message #211192 is a reply to message #211111] |
Sat, 15 June 2013 20:19 |
rallymaster
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The local Abita Amber beer is quite good.
Give it a try if you can. We sucked up a few of their suds while in
Louisana and Florida last year.
Ron & LInda Clark
On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 15:33:42 -0500 Gerald Work <glwork@mac.com> writes:
> Day three and still hotter than these western kids are used to.
> Temps are hovering around 100 and humidity is not far off the
> century mark either. Coach continues to run really well, but hotter
> than I would like, at least according to the two temp gauges. Temp
> is stable at 210 to 215 at 60 and stable at 195 to 200 at 45. I
> still can't hear the fan clutch cycling so it may not work properly.
>
>
> In waking up this old girl it is interesting to try to figure out
> which magic elixirs to use. Most of her driving took place when
> oils still had zddp so where ever we stop I have been looking for
> zddp additives or oils which say they have enhanced levels of zddp.
> When we first left Orlando I thought the oil consumption might be
> high and the coach felt sluggish with lower than expected vacuum
> readings on this gauge. In fairness, it has been a number of years
> since I drove a GMC with stock gearing so that has something to do
> with the feel. Our Royale has a 3.5 power chain and now a 3.21
> final drive, as well.
>
> Anyway, in talking with Dean Hanson (who will be the featured
> speaker at the Oct Coos Bay, OR, three club rally) a number of weeks
> ago he indicated that he was trying to help resurrect the original
> formulation of Slick 50 working with the original developer who
> licensed the name and formulation to someone else a couple of
> decades ago. since, the formula apparently has been changed. I had
> him ship a bottle of the original formula (now called Bishop's
> Original) and added that before we left Orlando as a lubricity
> enhancer. I also found some STP which said it had enhanced zddp so
> added a pint of that, too, in case the recent oils have been
> deficient.
>
> Today the engine feels much better, smoother and less labored. Hope
> that is real and not just my imagination. I also have added an
> ethanol fixer to each tank of gas following an initial bottle of Sea
> Foam to help clean things up and try to counter act the ethanol. So
> far, not a hint of vapor lock. I did have JimBs guys install one of
> his insulated fuel pump to carb flex lines so that also may be a
> positive contributor. If ever there was weather ripe to cause vapor
> lock this would be it all except for altitude. Fuel consumption
> seems normalish in the 8 range and the vacuum readings are
> increasing a little at a time.
>
> One thing that has really been critical is that we returned to JimBs
> place shortly after leaving for the first time because we could not
> keep the generator running under load. Hank, who heads up Jim's
> mechanical stuff these days sprinkled his holy water on the super
> simple carb and it now runs like a top. In use at every stop to run
> the roof air. It looks like the float seat was low initially
> causing too little fuel to enter the carb bowl. The engine would
> start and run for a while, but would soon sputter and die - sooner
> under load than not.
>
> One last thing to comment on. The way Jim's guys hook the booster
> fuel pump to the selector switch is to put the power wire right on
> top of that switch where it is powered on when the switch is in the
> aux position. He has been finding several coaches where the fuse in
> that circuit will not support the additional load of the electric
> fuel pump even though it says it only draws 3 to 5 amps. That fuse
> is the lowest on the right side when looking at the fuse block
> inside the glove compartment. Stock it is a 10 amp fuse. It needs
> to be 15 amps to carry the additional load. Be careful, however, as
> the wire feeding that switch is only 16 gauge according to the
> factory manual.
>
> More later as we seek some relief from the heat and humidity. Had
> to die for onion soup at lunch today in Abita Springs, LA, in a
> little out of the way place packed with locals.
>
> Jerry Work
> The Dovetail Joint
> Fine furniture designed & hand crafted
> in the 1907 former Masonic Temple building
> in historic Kerby, OR
> Http://jerrywork.com
> 541-592-5360
> Cell 541-499-1027
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Ron & Linda Clark
1978 Eleganza II
North Plains, ORYGUN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Clasco on the road [message #211440 is a reply to message #211111] |
Mon, 17 June 2013 19:35 |
rallymaster
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Not Jerry, but here's one place to get it
http://www.amazon.com/Happy-Campers-Organic-Holding-Treatment/dp/B005XEFA
DU
Same one we are now using. It really works.
"Always Fresh" is another one that really works.
We used to use Always Fresh, but Happy Campers was a little cheaper via
Amazon and the free shipping for the 64 oz. package.
RonC
On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 19:08:56 -0500 D C _Mac_ Macdonald
<k2gkk@hotmail.com> writes:
> Okay, Jerry, where does one find the "Five Star Happy Camper" stuff!
>
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> > From: glwork@mac.com
> > Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 18:45:45 -0500
> > To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> > Subject: [GMCnet] Clasco on the road
> >
> > Much original text exerpted here <I emptied the black tank and
> filled the water tank when we first arrived so willhold off putting
> in the only black tank chemical we ever found that really worksafter
> four years of full timing in a rolling condo and ten years in the
> Royale.Goofy name - five star happy camper- but it really works.
> Put it in and never flushthe tanks. Takes two or three applications
> to overcome all the embalming fluid thathas been resident in there
> but once it does there simply are no more smells.
> Ps - JimBs guys are a lot of fun to work with. Highly
> recommended.
>
> Jerry Work
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| Re: [GMCnet] Clasco on the road [message #211555 is a reply to message #211111] |
Tue, 18 June 2013 17:24 |
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I like the idea of the water separator.
May have to look in to that.
We have had only two vapor lock problems since we installed the aluminum diamond plate under the fuel tanks with a kick up on the leading edge.
Each time we had vapor lock was at altitude pulling on a long up grade.
Howard
74 Canyon Lands with Howell TBI.
All is well with my Lord
On Jun 18, 2013, at 2:32 PM, Gerald Work <glwork@mac.com> wrote:
> We drove out of Texas and much of the way across NM today. No issues.
>
> Question for the group-why have we not had a single vapor lock issue?
>
> It has been near or over 100 every day, the cross overs are not blocked, and with a bum fan clutch the coach runs a bit hot which should spell vapor lock. We are at low altitudes so far but will climb as we approach the Pacific.
>
> So, what is preventing it? We had JimB's guys install one of the large diesel type water separators up front on the firewall outboard of the master cyl. They also installed one of Jim's fuel pump to carb insulated flex lines and a booster electric fuel pump (which we have so far never needed). Other than that everything is dead stock. We are buying good quality regular fuel from know brand stations (shell, chevron) and have added ethanol treatment with every tank. Tried Lucas, Rislone and an enzyme based product called StarTron so really can't tell which, if any of them, might be helping.
>
> Any thoughts from the collective wisdom?
>
> Jerry
> Jerry Work
> The Dovetail Joint
> Fine furniture designed & hand crafted
> in the 1907 former Masonic Temple building
> in historic Kerby, OR
> Http://jerrywork.com
> 541-592-5360
> Cell 541-499-1027
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| Re: [GMCnet] Clasco on the road [message #211557 is a reply to message #211111] |
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For us it was always on blacktop at highway speed.
Howard
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On Jun 18, 2013, at 2:49 PM, Jared & Stefanie Kohl <vacougfan@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hasn't vapor lock more been an incident in stop and go traffic than at highway speeds?
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Gerald Work <glwork@mac.com>
> To: "gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org" <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:32 PM
> Subject: [GMCnet] Clasco on the road
>
>
> We drove out of Texas and much of the way across NM today. No issues.
>
> Question for the group-why have we not had a single vapor lock issue?
>
> It has been near or over 100 every day, the cross overs are not blocked, and with a bum fan clutch the coach runs a bit hot which should spell vapor lock. We are at low altitudes so far but will climb as we approach the Pacific.
>
> So, what is preventing it? We had JimB's guys install one of the large diesel type water separators up front on the firewall outboard of the master cyl. They also installed one of Jim's fuel pump to carb insulated flex lines and a booster electric fuel pump (which we have so far never needed). Other than that everything is dead stock. We are buying good quality regular fuel from know brand stations (shell, chevron) and have added ethanol treatment with every tank. Tried Lucas, Rislone and an enzyme based product called StarTron so really can't tell which, if any of them, might be helping.
>
> Any thoughts from the collective wisdom?
>
> Jerry
> Jerry Work
> The Dovetail Joint
> Fine furniture designed & hand crafted
> in the 1907 former Masonic Temple building
> in historic Kerby, OR
> Http://jerrywork.com
> 541-592-5360
> Cell 541-499-1027
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| Re: [GMCnet] Clasco on the road [message #211990 is a reply to message #211111] |
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Yes we also run the 3:70 from Jim K.
Works for us here in the western states.
Last summer up over Wolf Creek Pass CO over 10,000 feet
Not a problem running a max speed.
Again thanks Jim.
Howard
Alpine Ca.
2,400 feet
74 Canyon Lands
TBI and other stuff in our 455
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On Jun 23, 2013, at 1:35 PM, Jim Kanomata <jimkanomata@gmail.com> wrote:
> Carl,
> Your 100% correct in your assessment of what the manufactures use as ratio.
> Effective today, We will lower the cost of our 3.70 units to $1,598. Since
> we sell 80% 3.70 and 10% 3.55 and 10% 4.10.
> Vaccume gage tells the story. Big jump from 3,07 to 3,55 is 3".
> 3.55 to 3.70 is almost 1" more.
> When we came up with the 3.70, 10 years ago, we could not give them away,
> now we have even discussed possibly droping the 3,55.
> We now ship from Ohio as well as California.
> Jim B drove a 3.70 from Floida to Arizon last month and was surprised the
> difference over the units he drove the same road with the 3.55.
> Small hills or dips in the road, they make a difference.
>
> On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Carl Stouffer <carljr3b@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> jimk wrote on Sat, 22 June 2013 21:41
>>> I learned from people like Tom Hampton,Marvin Peck and others that
>> whether
>>> your towing or not, the 3.70 is not over gearing the coach.
>>> A comparable coach of the SOB variety run 4,10 ratio.
>>> Even on my 540 Cad, I do best in mileage with a 3.70.
>>> It is a free country so you people can do what you want, but this is
>> what I
>>> know from the feedback I have received from our customers.
>>>
>>> Jim Kanomata
>>> Applied/GMC, Fremont,CA
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim is right. Back "in the day" 3/4 ton pickups came from the factory
>> with 4.10 rear end gears and 1-tons came with 4.56s. Both usually had 16"
>> or 16.5 wheels and were 2ooo - 5000 lbs lighter than a GMC.
>>
>> When I switched to the 3.70 final, I didn't notice any change in fuel
>> economy. I DID notice an improvement in performance, especially at lower
>> speeds. My 455 seems happier at highway speeds as well.
>>
>> In case I sound like I'm contradicting myself, I have seen arguments that
>> the GMC doesn't need lower gears and it hurts your top end cruising speed.
>> That may be true, but if you want to maximize gas mileage, going really
>> fast is NOT the way to do it. Wind resistance and other forces will
>> greatly diminish fuel economy at speeds over 55 to 60. The engine will run
>> more efficiently at those speeds with a lower ratio final drive.
>> --
>> Carl S.
>> '75 ex Palm Beach
>> Tucson, AZ.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Clasco on the road [message #212022 is a reply to message #212009] |
Mon, 24 June 2013 01:48 |
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Roy,
I cannot keep track of things. I know your right.
Papers don't lye.
Larry, Marvin Peck and his group had so much problems with their gears,
they decided to have me supply them our 3.55.
They had 2 gears, 1st was around 3.46, 2nd was 3.49.
Marvin was quite a guy, we had lot of fun moments hasseling around on final
drive units and when he wanted me to purchase his inventory of spacers and
bearings, he led me to believe that he was the most underfunded person.
Later I ound out that he had so much
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Larry Davick <ljdavick@comcast.net> wrote:
> I have the Marvyn Peck gears that I believe are 3.55:1. I often use second
> gear over the Grapevine, etc. if I had to replace them I'd go with Jim's
> 3.70's
>
> The coach loves to run at 65 and I often find 70+ creeps up on me by
> surprise!
>
> Larry Davick
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