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| american eagle hub caps and nuts rusting [message #210886] |
Wed, 12 June 2013 20:37  |
tgeiger
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I've got some rusting going on and will be contacting Jim K on this. Meanwhile I did try the windex trick and it did remove the rust with a little elbow grease, but I found a better trick. Looked this up on line and read it but couldn't believe it so I tried it. By god it worked. It told me to take aluminum foil and water and use the foil to take the rust off and walla! it worked, and with ease. Very amazing...but shiney things entertain me anyhow.
Tom Geiger
76 Eleganza II
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| Re: american eagle hub caps and nuts rusting [message #210895 is a reply to message #210887] |
Wed, 12 June 2013 22:14  |
C Boyd
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Hi Dan, aluminum foil is softer than chrome and will not scratch it and cleans great with a good detergent. It does not stop it from rusting again. Wax helps or spraying with clear but as truckers say "chrome is rust and stainless is forever".
| WD0AFQ wrote on Wed, 12 June 2013 21:42 |
| tgeiger wrote on Wed, 12 June 2013 20:37 |
I've got some rusting going on and will be contacting Jim K on this. Meanwhile I did try the windex trick and it did remove the rust with a little elbow grease, but I found a better trick. Looked this up on line and read it but couldn't believe it so I tried it. By god it worked. It told me to take aluminum foil and water and use the foil to take the rust off and walla! it worked, and with ease. Very amazing...but shiney things entertain me anyhow.
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So, you wet the lug nuts then rub them with alum foil? Never heard of that. My Alcoa lug nuts are a real pain. Rust all over the suckers. I use steel wool on them and try to keep them polished. Do this often. Will try the aluminum foil.
Thanks,
Dan
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C. Boyd
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East Tennessee
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| Re: american eagle hub caps and nuts rusting [message #210899 is a reply to message #210895] |
Wed, 12 June 2013 22:57 |
George B.
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I have the Eagle rims,caps, nuts & washers and see rust on them but I really think the rust originates from the steel studs.
George Butts
Las Vegas Nevada
73 "Custom 26' Q" & 76 23' Birchaven
71 Honda 600 Coupe & 01 Tracker Toads
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| Re: [GMCnet] american eagle hub caps and nuts rusting [message #210911 is a reply to message #210906] |
Thu, 13 June 2013 03:10 |
Ken Burton
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| jimk wrote on Thu, 13 June 2013 01:42 |
We have been selling our wheels for the last 3 ears with all SS nuts and
center caps.
Those that have acquired the wheels from us need to contact us as we have a
program to replace them at our cost as American Eagle claims that we are
the only ones to complain of rust.
The younger customers tend to wash and wax their wheels more.
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I'll call you as mine are badly rusted. I mentioned it to you a few years back but I never followed up on it.
Ken B.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] american eagle hub caps and nuts rusting [message #210926 is a reply to message #210914] |
Thu, 13 June 2013 07:45 |
tphipps
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JmK, the American Eagles that Robin put on his coach looks great. A little fun to line up the studs, wheels, center cap, washers and the shouldered lug nuts, but done carefully, is easy. By the time you do all six wheels, you get pretty good at it.
Tom, with plain old steel 16" wheels
2012 Phoenix Cruiser model 2552
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| Re: [GMCnet] american eagle hub caps and nuts rusting [message #210947 is a reply to message #210944] |
Thu, 13 June 2013 10:00 |
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My hotshots have chromed plastic acorn snap on covers. No rust. I just occasionally hit them with #0000 steel wool to remove deposits. The covers can be had at Applied. The wool works wonders on cleaning the backsides of the wheels where the rusty brake filing residue stains the wheels too.
Todd Sullivan
Sully
77 royale
Seattle
On Jun 13, 2013, at 7:36 AM, Dan Gregg <gregg_dan@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Thanks Chuck. The tire changers over the years have ruined the nuts on my wheels so they rust bad. Also they were really neglected by PO. As you know, I keep my wheels shiny since finding the polish from you. Wish I had stainless nuts for my Alcoas but I have never heard of them. Some of my nuts are stripping so I replace them with standard Alcoa nuts. Only have one left so I got to get on the ball and find some more spares. Did not see any at last two conventions or I would have bought them. Not a big deal. I just have to work on mine more than others to keep them looking good. Certainly going to try the aluminum though.
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| Re: [GMCnet] american eagle hub caps and nuts rusting [message #210972 is a reply to message #210948] |
Thu, 13 June 2013 12:45 |
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They do need to be carefully aligned and tapped into place with a plastic hammer over the correct lug nut for sure. If they go on without the hammer they are not snug enough and could be split. They are inexpensive however.
Todd Sullivan
Sully
77 royale
Seattle
On Jun 13, 2013, at 8:07 AM, Dan Gregg <gregg_dan@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> sgltrac wrote on Thu, 13 June 2013 10:00
>> My hotshots have chromed plastic acorn snap on covers. No rust. I just occasionally hit them with #0000 steel wool to remove deposits. The covers can be had at Applied. The wool works wonders on cleaning the backsides of the wheels where the rusty brake filing residue stains the wheels too.
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>> Sully
>> 77 royale
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>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 7:36 AM, Dan Gregg <gregg_dan@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Thanks Chuck. The tire changers over the years have ruined the nuts on my wheels so they rust bad. Also they were really neglected by PO. As you know, I keep my wheels shiny since finding the polish from you. Wish I had stainless nuts for my Alcoas but I have never heard of them. Some of my nuts are stripping so I replace them with standard Alcoa nuts. Only have one left so I got to get on the ball and find some more spares. Did not see any at last two conventions or I would have bought them. Not a big deal. I just have to work on mine more than others to keep them looking good. Certainly going to try the aluminum though.
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> I sell a lot of those and the stainless ones for Jim. Folks tend to lose them a lot, that is why I am not running the "caps".
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| Re: [GMCnet] american eagle hub caps and nuts rusting [message #210981 is a reply to message #210914] |
Thu, 13 June 2013 13:48 |
Ken Burton
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| Mickey Szilagyi wrote on Thu, 13 June 2013 06:20 |
You guys are referring to the chrome lug nuts, right? We bought the SS lug nuts and center caps hoping to avoid this problem. We will be putting them on in the next few weeks.
Mickey
77 Kingsley, 403, Lansing, MI
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I bought one of the first set of Eagle wheels when Jim just started selling them. SS nuts were not an option. Over the years the chrome nuts have really turn out bad. Jim has since starting selling stainless ones.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] american eagle hub caps and nuts rusting [message #211015 is a reply to message #211002] |
Thu, 13 June 2013 18:59 |
sgltrac
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Yeah I know Hal but 0000 steel wool is what we have at the body shop and compared to the iron rotor deposits left on the inside of my wheels I'm not really sweating the wool fibers. So far so good.
Todd Sullivan
Sully
77 royale
Seattle
On Jun 13, 2013, at 3:09 PM, Hal Kading <halkading@fastwave.biz> wrote:
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> We have learned in the aircraft industry that steel wool and aluminum don't mix well. The steel particles can cause corrosion of the aluminum. Aluminum wool is recommended.
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> "My hotshots have chromed plastic acorn snap on covers. No rust. I just occasionally hit them with #0000 steel wool to remove deposits. The covers can be had at Applied. The wool works wonders on cleaning the backsides of the wheels where the rusty brake filing residue stains the wheels too."
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> Hal Kading 78 Buskirk Las Cruces NM
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| Re: [GMCnet] american eagle hub caps and nuts rusting [message #211104 is a reply to message #211015] |
Fri, 14 June 2013 08:27 |
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Todd,
I'll expand on Hal's info. If you don't sweat the corrosion caused by the steel wool on the inside it is quite possible that from
the tiny points of corrosion in the surface of the aluminum a stress crack will develop. It happens all the time on aluminum
propellers.
Here's an example. Hamilton Standard makes composite propeller blades; the center of the blade is an aluminum spar. At the barrel
end of the spar is the taper bore; lead wool is put in the taper bore to balance each blade against a master blade. A cork "stopper"
is inserted on top of the lead wool then an aluminum plug with an o-ring goes on top of the cork plug and is retained with a snap
ring.
Ever since HS had been making propeller blades (Spirit of Saint Louis had a HS prop - well actually it had a Standard Steel prop but
that's another story) after the taper bore was "bored" it would be shot peened with steel shot. Well some bright young spark
engineer convinced management that the shot peening process was a waste of time and money and could eliminated removing 30 minutes
or so from the production time. Since management ALWAYS likes to save time and make money they approved it. Well about a year or so
after the shot peening process ceased a blade separated from a prop, luckily the aircraft was taxing and the loose blade didn't hit
anything. The FAA ordered an immediate investigation (naturally) and all commuter aircraft with these types of blades had to be
inspected.
Turns out that when the cork used to make the plugs was processed it was bleached with chlorine bleach. The humidity levels at the
HS factory in Windsor Locks, CT during the summer is very high and the corks absorbed some moisture before they got stuck into the
taper bores. Once they were in there the Chlorine (CL) reacted with the absorbed water (H2O) and formed HCL - hydrochloric acid.
Tiny amounts but enough to cause tiny spots of corrosion from which stress risers and cracks developed. The end result being the
blades cracking and flying off! Fortunately there were no in flight accidents caused by this problem but the amount of money it cost
HS to inspect and fix or replace the blades was in the tens of millions.
Still not sweating the steel fibers stuck to the inside of your Hot Shots? ;-)
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Sullivan
Yeah I know Hal but 0000 steel wool is what we have at the body shop and compared to the iron rotor deposits left on the inside of
my wheels I'm not really sweating the wool fibers. So far so good.
Todd
On Jun 13, 2013, at 3:09 PM, Hal Kading <halkading@fastwave.biz> wrote:
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> Todd,
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> We have learned in the aircraft industry that steel wool and aluminum don't mix well. The steel particles can cause corrosion of
the aluminum. Aluminum wool is recommended.
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> "My hotshots have chromed plastic acorn snap on covers. No rust. I just occasionally hit them with #0000 steel wool to remove
deposits. The covers can be had at Applied. The wool works wonders on cleaning the backsides of the wheels where the rusty brake
filing residue stains the wheels too."
>
> Hal
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| Re: [GMCnet] american eagle hub caps and nuts rusting [message #211117 is a reply to message #211104] |
Sat, 15 June 2013 00:30 |
sgltrac
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No Rob, I'm not.
Todd Sullivan
Sully
77 royale
Seattle
On Jun 14, 2013, at 6:27 AM, "Rob Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> Todd,
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> I'll expand on Hal's info. If you don't sweat the corrosion caused by the steel wool on the inside it is quite possible that from
> the tiny points of corrosion in the surface of the aluminum a stress crack will develop. It happens all the time on aluminum
> propellers.
>
> Here's an example. Hamilton Standard makes composite propeller blades; the center of the blade is an aluminum spar. At the barrel
> end of the spar is the taper bore; lead wool is put in the taper bore to balance each blade against a master blade. A cork "stopper"
> is inserted on top of the lead wool then an aluminum plug with an o-ring goes on top of the cork plug and is retained with a snap
> ring.
>
> Ever since HS had been making propeller blades (Spirit of Saint Louis had a HS prop - well actually it had a Standard Steel prop but
> that's another story) after the taper bore was "bored" it would be shot peened with steel shot. Well some bright young spark
> engineer convinced management that the shot peening process was a waste of time and money and could eliminated removing 30 minutes
> or so from the production time. Since management ALWAYS likes to save time and make money they approved it. Well about a year or so
> after the shot peening process ceased a blade separated from a prop, luckily the aircraft was taxing and the loose blade didn't hit
> anything. The FAA ordered an immediate investigation (naturally) and all commuter aircraft with these types of blades had to be
> inspected.
>
> Turns out that when the cork used to make the plugs was processed it was bleached with chlorine bleach. The humidity levels at the
> HS factory in Windsor Locks, CT during the summer is very high and the corks absorbed some moisture before they got stuck into the
> taper bores. Once they were in there the Chlorine (CL) reacted with the absorbed water (H2O) and formed HCL - hydrochloric acid.
> Tiny amounts but enough to cause tiny spots of corrosion from which stress risers and cracks developed. The end result being the
> blades cracking and flying off! Fortunately there were no in flight accidents caused by this problem but the amount of money it cost
> HS to inspect and fix or replace the blades was in the tens of millions.
>
> Still not sweating the steel fibers stuck to the inside of your Hot Shots? ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Todd Sullivan
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> Yeah I know Hal but 0000 steel wool is what we have at the body shop and compared to the iron rotor deposits left on the inside of
> my wheels I'm not really sweating the wool fibers. So far so good.
>
> Todd
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> On Jun 13, 2013, at 3:09 PM, Hal Kading <halkading@fastwave.biz> wrote:
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>> Todd,
>>
>> We have learned in the aircraft industry that steel wool and aluminum don't mix well. The steel particles can cause corrosion of
> the aluminum. Aluminum wool is recommended.
>>
>> "My hotshots have chromed plastic acorn snap on covers. No rust. I just occasionally hit them with #0000 steel wool to remove
> deposits. The covers can be had at Applied. The wool works wonders on cleaning the backsides of the wheels where the rusty brake
> filing residue stains the wheels too."
>>
>> Hal
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