| hotskin [message #210435] |
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appie
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So I installed a victron 12/1600/70 inverter/charger (http://www.solarshop-europe.net/product_info.php?products_id=692) and 280 A batteries in Olga only to find out I had a hotskin. about 70 volts and only a few miliamps
In Denmark we have 230 volts 1 fase, neutral and earth I found out there was a broken earthwire in the house.
That makes me think a rather new electric installation in a civilised country can a fault like this that is potential lethal, what is going to happen on small campsites in spain or portugal or marokko even ?
For the future i will make sure that any landlines are connected properly and I will make a earthing stake as a backup
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold
6 wheel discbrake
Quadrabags
Springfield stage 2 462 olds
Manny tranny
( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html
Fulltiming in Europe july 2014 til july 2016
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| Re: hotskin [message #210447 is a reply to message #210435] |
Sun, 09 June 2013 09:13  |
appie
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That´s right, but I am sure there are a lot of dodgy electric installations in the US, and what a bout Mexico
So all of you, take care out there
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold
6 wheel discbrake
Quadrabags
Springfield stage 2 462 olds
Manny tranny
( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html
Fulltiming in Europe july 2014 til july 2016
Denmark
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| Re: hotskin [message #210466 is a reply to message #210435] |
Sun, 09 June 2013 12:59 |
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mike miller
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| appie wrote on Sun, 09 June 2013 04:03 |
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That makes me think a rather new electric installation in a civilised country can a fault like this that is potential lethal, what is going to happen on small campsites in spain or portugal or marokko even ?
For the future i will make sure that any landlines are connected properly and I will make a earthing stake as a backup
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I keep an Outlet Tester plugged in in the coach. It lets me know if there is an issue.
<https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=Outlet+Tester>
In a place that i haven't plugged in before I take it and test before plugging in the coach.
I ASSUME that they are available in voltages for other countries.
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
(#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
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| Re: hotskin [message #210470 is a reply to message #210435] |
Sun, 09 June 2013 13:33 |
Ken Burton
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| appie wrote on Sun, 09 June 2013 06:03 |
So I installed a victron 12/1600/70 inverter/charger (http://www.solarshop-europe.net/product_info.php?products_id=692) and 280 A batteries in Olga only to find out I had a hotskin. about 70 volts and only a few miliamps
In Denmark we have 230 volts 1 fase, neutral and earth I found out there was a broken earthwire in the house.
That makes me think a rather new electric installation in a civilised country can a fault like this that is potential lethal, what is going to happen on small campsites in spain or portugal or marokko even ?
For the future i will make sure that any landlines are connected properly and I will make a earthing stake as a backup
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Your hot skin problem is obviously not a wiring error because you are only seeing 70 volts on the skin. Usually the problem you are seeing is caused by a shorted water heater element. This can happen even when the heater is turned off because we only turn off one side of the element.
I agree that the safety ground is a concern and needs to be properly installed and connected whenever running on shore power.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] hotskin [message #210522 is a reply to message #210515] |
Sun, 09 June 2013 20:24 |
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I keep a tester connected in an AC outlet on the overhead just behind the door to the head.
Mac in OKC
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 9, 2013, at 19:40, "Howard" <hnielsen2@cox.net> wrote:
Same here
Howard
Alpine CA
All is well with my Lord
On Jun 9, 2013, at 10:59 AM, Mike Miller <m000035@gmail.com> wrote:
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> appie wrote on Sun, 09 June 2013 04:03
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>> That makes me think a rather new electric installation in a civilised country can a fault like this that is potential lethal, what is going to happen on small campsites in spain or portugal or marokko even ?
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>> For the future i will make sure that any landlines are connected properly and I will make a earthing stake as a backup
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> I keep an Outlet Tester plugged in in the coach. It lets me know if there is an issue.
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> <https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=Outlet+Tester>
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> In a place that i haven't plugged in before I take it and test before plugging in the coach.
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> I ASSUME that they are available in voltages for other countries.
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> Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
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| Re: hotskin [message #210539 is a reply to message #210470] |
Mon, 10 June 2013 00:33 |
appie
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Ken
It was a wiring problem
the 70 V 2mA is wat we call creeping voltage. not enough to trip the safety device and might be coursed be condensation, a spiders nest or the like
the reason it could be mesearured and felt was the broken earth wire that should have let it away
I never heard about a outlet tester overhere, but will look for it, seems easyer than finding the multitester everytime
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold
6 wheel discbrake
Quadrabags
Springfield stage 2 462 olds
Manny tranny
( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html
Fulltiming in Europe july 2014 til july 2016
Denmark
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| Re: hotskin [message #210548 is a reply to message #210539] |
Mon, 10 June 2013 02:58 |
Ken Burton
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| appie wrote on Mon, 10 June 2013 00:33 |
Ken
It was a wiring problem
the 70 V 2mA is wat we call creeping voltage. not enough to trip the safety device and might be coursed be condensation, a spiders nest or the like
the reason it could be mesearured and felt was the broken earth wire that should have let it away
I never heard about a outlet tester overhere, but will look for it, seems easyer than finding the multitester everytime
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Appie,
If you have an electric water heater, DISCONNECT (not turn off, but really disconnect) both wires going to your heating element in the water heater. Then take a voltage reading again on the skin of your coach looking for that 70 Volts AC.
It could be something else causing your problem but in a GMC it is almost always the water heater electric element causing the problem.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: hotskin [message #210582 is a reply to message #210548] |
Mon, 10 June 2013 11:34 |
appie
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I do appriciate your concern Ken
Olga i striped of all apliances and I made sure the voltage came from the house.
Also there were no other connections on the group in the house other then a few lamps and outlets
It is save now
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold
6 wheel discbrake
Quadrabags
Springfield stage 2 462 olds
Manny tranny
( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html
Fulltiming in Europe july 2014 til july 2016
Denmark
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| Re: hotskin [message #210590 is a reply to message #210435] |
Mon, 10 June 2013 14:06 |
appie
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It was just a broken wire inside the house
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold
6 wheel discbrake
Quadrabags
Springfield stage 2 462 olds
Manny tranny
( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html
Fulltiming in Europe july 2014 til july 2016
Denmark
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