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Mon, 20 May 2013 09:37   |
Jim Bounds
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The trick with this tool (scary lookn critter) or whatever is used is to not "gouge" the original surface-- that creates repair labor and is not easy to feather out. One gouge into the original surface and that's it.
Jim Bounds
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From: Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs?
Having them made and applying them is the easy part. The real bear is
getting the old ones off. The answer used to be the Eastwood eraser
wheels. The newer kid on the block is this one: *
http://tinyurl.com/mtgmlqo*
**
It is still a very labor intensive process. I have found that it works a
bit faster if the side of the coach you're working on is in the sun*.*
Using a tool with a heated, replaceable razor blade will work, but they
tend to gouge the paint and burn fingers. I found no spray on dissolver
that is effective on decals as old as our. You can find several youtube
vids showing the use of various tools but those are all on fairly new vinyl
decals.
Steve F.
On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 7:20 AM, RJW <mygmc@palmbeachgmc.com> wrote:
>
>
> Stick Miller wrote on Fri, 17 May 2013 18:25
> > When I had some wiring done on my coach in Panama City I asked the owner
> what he would charge to paint a GMC. He gave no details but said that with
> a "minimum of body work" it would start around $14K. Too rich for my blood.
> Mine looks better and better to me.
>
>
> My paint is not all that bad. It can be buffed and can look pretty good
> from 100 feet. The decals are another story. They are faded and the edges
> dirty. Now that my hoped for under $6,000 paint job has gone the way of
> $2.00/gallon gas, I'm thinking that I should either repaint the decals or
> get new ones made from a vinyl stripes/graphics place.
>
> Anyone have a good experience repainting or getting new decals? It seems
> that would be a cheap way of renewing the look of my GMC while I try to
> save enough $$ to get a decent paint job.
>
> --
> Richard
> 76 Palm Beach
> SE Michigan
> www.PalmBeachGMC.com
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs? [message #208452 is a reply to message #208387] |
Tue, 21 May 2013 08:48 |
Steven Ferguson
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Jim,
I've never gouged the paint with these soft wheels. I notice though, that
the original wheels that I bought with the tool were brown and the
replacements are now red. Are you saying that there's a difference in the
wheel composition that can gouge paint? BTW, I have not tried the red yet
but they no longer offer the brown ones. I burned the paint in two very
tight areas with the edge of the wheel, but on the long flat sides, keeping
the tool right at the stalliing point works best and at those slow speeds,
it's impossible to burn the paint.
Steve F
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Jim Bounds <gmccoop@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The trick with this tool (scary lookn critter) or whatever is used is to
> not "gouge" the original surface-- that creates repair labor and is not
> easy to feather out. One gouge into the original surface and that's it.
>
> Jim Bounds
> -----------------
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 9:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs?
>
>
> Having them made and applying them is the easy part. The real bear is
> getting the old ones off. The answer used to be the Eastwood eraser
> wheels. The newer kid on the block is this one: *
> http://tinyurl.com/mtgmlqo*
> **
> It is still a very labor intensive process. I have found that it works a
> bit faster if the side of the coach you're working on is in the sun*.*
> Using a tool with a heated, replaceable razor blade will work, but they
> tend to gouge the paint and burn fingers. I found no spray on dissolver
> that is effective on decals as old as our. You can find several youtube
> vids showing the use of various tools but those are all on fairly new vinyl
> decals.
> Steve F.
>
>
> On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 7:20 AM, RJW <mygmc@palmbeachgmc.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Stick Miller wrote on Fri, 17 May 2013 18:25
> > > When I had some wiring done on my coach in Panama City I asked the
> owner
> > what he would charge to paint a GMC. He gave no details but said that
> with
> > a "minimum of body work" it would start around $14K. Too rich for my
> blood.
> > Mine looks better and better to me.
> >
> >
> > My paint is not all that bad. It can be buffed and can look pretty good
> > from 100 feet. The decals are another story. They are faded and the
> edges
> > dirty. Now that my hoped for under $6,000 paint job has gone the way of
> > $2.00/gallon gas, I'm thinking that I should either repaint the decals or
> > get new ones made from a vinyl stripes/graphics place.
> >
> > Anyone have a good experience repainting or getting new decals? It seems
> > that would be a cheap way of renewing the look of my GMC while I try to
> > save enough $$ to get a decent paint job.
> >
> > --
> > Richard
> > 76 Palm Beach
> > SE Michigan
> > www.PalmBeachGMC.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
> --
> Take care,
> Steve
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| Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs? [message #208489 is a reply to message #208452] |
Tue, 21 May 2013 17:23 |
Jim Bounds
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What I meant was the reason you use these wheels and stuff is to not gouge the paint, wanted to be sure folks knew why they needed to use them. Yea, that's a good looking gaget, wish it just came in an arbor to fit our tools. Would probably do a good job, might wear out faster-- might work faster though too.
You are certainly on track,
Jim Bounds
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From: Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs?
Jim,
I've never gouged the paint with these soft wheels. I notice though, that
the original wheels that I bought with the tool were brown and the
replacements are now red. Are you saying that there's a difference in the
wheel composition that can gouge paint? BTW, I have not tried the red yet
but they no longer offer the brown ones. I burned the paint in two very
tight areas with the edge of the wheel, but on the long flat sides, keeping
the tool right at the stalliing point works best and at those slow speeds,
it's impossible to burn the paint.
Steve F
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Jim Bounds <gmccoop@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The trick with this tool (scary lookn critter) or whatever is used is to
> not "gouge" the original surface-- that creates repair labor and is not
> easy to feather out. One gouge into the original surface and that's it.
>
> Jim Bounds
> -----------------
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 9:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs?
>
>
> Having them made and applying them is the easy part. The real bear is
> getting the old ones off. The answer used to be the Eastwood eraser
> wheels. The newer kid on the block is this one: *
> http://tinyurl.com/mtgmlqo*
> **
> It is still a very labor intensive process. I have found that it works a
> bit faster if the side of the coach you're working on is in the sun*.*
> Using a tool with a heated, replaceable razor blade will work, but they
> tend to gouge the paint and burn fingers. I found no spray on dissolver
> that is effective on decals as old as our. You can find several youtube
> vids showing the use of various tools but those are all on fairly new vinyl
> decals.
> Steve F.
>
>
> On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 7:20 AM, RJW <mygmc@palmbeachgmc.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Stick Miller wrote on Fri, 17 May 2013 18:25
> > > When I had some wiring done on my coach in Panama City I asked the
> owner
> > what he would charge to paint a GMC. He gave no details but said that
> with
> > a "minimum of body work" it would start around $14K. Too rich for my
> blood.
> > Mine looks better and better to me.
> >
> >
> > My paint is not all that bad. It can be buffed and can look pretty good
> > from 100 feet. The decals are another story. They are faded and the
> edges
> > dirty. Now that my hoped for under $6,000 paint job has gone the way of
> > $2.00/gallon gas, I'm thinking that I should either repaint the decals or
> > get new ones made from a vinyl stripes/graphics place.
> >
> > Anyone have a good experience repainting or getting new decals? It seems
> > that would be a cheap way of renewing the look of my GMC while I try to
> > save enough $$ to get a decent paint job.
> >
> > --
> > Richard
> > 76 Palm Beach
> > SE Michigan
> > www.PalmBeachGMC.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > GMCnet mailing list
> > Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
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> >
>
>
>
> --
> Take care,
> Steve
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| Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs? [message #208535 is a reply to message #208489] |
Wed, 22 May 2013 07:21 |
Steven Ferguson
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The wheels seem to be quite durable and I would say that they outlast the
Eastwood wheels 4:1. I removed the graphics on the front, and rear using
just one. The new ones are red and no one can beat the cost on Amazon.
Quick to change. The price of the tool is a bit of a pain though.
Steve F.
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Jim Bounds <gmccoop@yahoo.com> wrote:
> What I meant was the reason you use these wheels and stuff is to not gouge
> the paint, wanted to be sure folks knew why they needed to use them. Yea,
> that's a good looking gaget, wish it just came in an arbor to fit our
> tools. Would probably do a good job, might wear out faster-- might work
> faster though too.
>
> You are certainly on track,
>
> Jim Bounds
> ------------------
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 9:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs?
>
>
> Jim,
> I've never gouged the paint with these soft wheels. I notice though, that
> the original wheels that I bought with the tool were brown and the
> replacements are now red. Are you saying that there's a difference in the
> wheel composition that can gouge paint? BTW, I have not tried the red yet
> but they no longer offer the brown ones. I burned the paint in two very
> tight areas with the edge of the wheel, but on the long flat sides, keeping
> the tool right at the stalliing point works best and at those slow speeds,
> it's impossible to burn the paint.
> Steve F
>
>
> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Jim Bounds <gmccoop@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > The trick with this tool (scary lookn critter) or whatever is used is to
> > not "gouge" the original surface-- that creates repair labor and is not
> > easy to feather out. One gouge into the original surface and that's it.
> >
> > Jim Bounds
> > -----------------
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com>
> > To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 9:24 AM
> > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs?
> >
> >
> > Having them made and applying them is the easy part. The real bear is
> > getting the old ones off. The answer used to be the Eastwood eraser
> > wheels. The newer kid on the block is this one: *
> > http://tinyurl.com/mtgmlqo*
> > **
> > It is still a very labor intensive process. I have found that it works a
> > bit faster if the side of the coach you're working on is in the sun*.*
> > Using a tool with a heated, replaceable razor blade will work, but they
> > tend to gouge the paint and burn fingers. I found no spray on dissolver
> > that is effective on decals as old as our. You can find several youtube
> > vids showing the use of various tools but those are all on fairly new
> vinyl
> > decals.
> > Steve F.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 7:20 AM, RJW <mygmc@palmbeachgmc.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Stick Miller wrote on Fri, 17 May 2013 18:25
> > > > When I had some wiring done on my coach in Panama City I asked the
> > owner
> > > what he would charge to paint a GMC. He gave no details but said that
> > with
> > > a "minimum of body work" it would start around $14K. Too rich for my
> > blood.
> > > Mine looks better and better to me.
> > >
> > >
> > > My paint is not all that bad. It can be buffed and can look pretty good
> > > from 100 feet. The decals are another story. They are faded and the
> > edges
> > > dirty. Now that my hoped for under $6,000 paint job has gone the way of
> > > $2.00/gallon gas, I'm thinking that I should either repaint the decals
> or
> > > get new ones made from a vinyl stripes/graphics place.
> > >
> > > Anyone have a good experience repainting or getting new decals? It
> seems
> > > that would be a cheap way of renewing the look of my GMC while I try to
> > > save enough $$ to get a decent paint job.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Richard
> > > 76 Palm Beach
> > > SE Michigan
> > > www.PalmBeachGMC.com
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > GMCnet mailing list
> > > Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
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> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Take care,
> > Steve
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>
>
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> Steve
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| Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs? [message #208589 is a reply to message #208535] |
Wed, 22 May 2013 08:44 |
Jim Bounds
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I'll look into it, price is what the tool does-- Kevin is very conservative in that he knows what does work but you can't live in a vacuum. Thanks for the tip,
Jim Bounds
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From: Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs?
The wheels seem to be quite durable and I would say that they outlast the
Eastwood wheels 4:1. I removed the graphics on the front, and rear using
just one. The new ones are red and no one can beat the cost on Amazon.
Quick to change. The price of the tool is a bit of a pain though.
Steve F.
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Jim Bounds <gmccoop@yahoo.com> wrote:
> What I meant was the reason you use these wheels and stuff is to not gouge
> the paint, wanted to be sure folks knew why they needed to use them. Yea,
> that's a good looking gaget, wish it just came in an arbor to fit our
> tools. Would probably do a good job, might wear out faster-- might work
> faster though too.
>
> You are certainly on track,
>
> Jim Bounds
> ------------------
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 9:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs?
>
>
> Jim,
> I've never gouged the paint with these soft wheels. I notice though, that
> the original wheels that I bought with the tool were brown and the
> replacements are now red. Are you saying that there's a difference in the
> wheel composition that can gouge paint? BTW, I have not tried the red yet
> but they no longer offer the brown ones. I burned the paint in two very
> tight areas with the edge of the wheel, but on the long flat sides, keeping
> the tool right at the stalliing point works best and at those slow speeds,
> it's impossible to burn the paint.
> Steve F
>
>
> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Jim Bounds <gmccoop@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > The trick with this tool (scary lookn critter) or whatever is used is to
> > not "gouge" the original surface-- that creates repair labor and is not
> > easy to feather out. One gouge into the original surface and that's it.
> >
> > Jim Bounds
> > -----------------
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com>
> > To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 9:24 AM
> > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs?
> >
> >
> > Having them made and applying them is the easy part. The real bear is
> > getting the old ones off. The answer used to be the Eastwood eraser
> > wheels. The newer kid on the block is this one: *
> > http://tinyurl.com/mtgmlqo*
> > **
> > It is still a very labor intensive process. I have found that it works a
> > bit faster if the side of the coach you're working on is in the sun*.*
> > Using a tool with a heated, replaceable razor blade will work, but they
> > tend to gouge the paint and burn fingers. I found no spray on dissolver
> > that is effective on decals as old as our. You can find several youtube
> > vids showing the use of various tools but those are all on fairly new
> vinyl
> > decals.
> > Steve F.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 7:20 AM, RJW <mygmc@palmbeachgmc.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Stick Miller wrote on Fri, 17 May 2013 18:25
> > > > When I had some wiring done on my coach in Panama City I asked the
> > owner
> > > what he would charge to paint a GMC. He gave no details but said that
> > with
> > > a "minimum of body work" it would start around $14K. Too rich for my
> > blood.
> > > Mine looks better and better to me.
> > >
> > >
> > > My paint is not all that bad. It can be buffed and can look pretty good
> > > from 100 feet. The decals are another story. They are faded and the
> > edges
> > > dirty. Now that my hoped for under $6,000 paint job has gone the way of
> > > $2.00/gallon gas, I'm thinking that I should either repaint the decals
> or
> > > get new ones made from a vinyl stripes/graphics place.
> > >
> > > Anyone have a good experience repainting or getting new decals? It
> seems
> > > that would be a cheap way of renewing the look of my GMC while I try to
> > > save enough $$ to get a decent paint job.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Richard
> > > 76 Palm Beach
> > > SE Michigan
> > > www.PalmBeachGMC.com
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > GMCnet mailing list
> > > Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
> > > http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Take care,
> > Steve
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>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs? [message #208590 is a reply to message #208535] |
Wed, 22 May 2013 12:01 |
Jim Bounds
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One last "PS" to this thread if I may:
My guess is the GMC community helped keep Topeka Graphics viable through the the RV economy downturn-- many RV related suppliers went away. Though the profit was not as much as they could make doing their main work still, keeping the lights on is a desirable goal when many other people had their phone simply stop ringing. I have found we stayed busy through whatever economic condition, renovating a GMC always ends up being the "cheapest toy in the box" anyway so this community, specifically the GMCnet should probably get a big thank you from Topeka Graphics. It was a niche that kept them going.
RV sales are up and my guess is they no longer need to be propped up from doing GMC's and they are now going great guns supplying work to their main focus business which is not beating up old war horses which is very labor intensive.
In an effort to give folks a comparison "apples to apples"-- the work Topeka Graphics did to the process we do, I have restated the explaination of our exterior refinishing cost to make it more understandable:
We will paint a coach with no body work or assembly for $4300.00. That is:
breaking the coach down-- taking the stuff off that will come off (actually they bagged more of it) and bagging the rest. We will DA (dual action) sand the body to a good bite surface, prime/seal the entire coach (not sure if they did that but we feel it must happen), base 2 colors with a simple lay out (quality materials 3 coats) then clear the coach with high solids clear 4 coats.
This does not cover any body repair, filling holes, accessory painting, new lights, new vents, pulling the rails, resealing seams, wet sand and buff or assembly. Obviously much of that must be done, you can choose to do it yourself or we will do that for additional expense. I feel this would be a better comparision to the work they were doing. I do not know what Topeka Graphics charged for their work exactly but work is work and I feel this is comparable. Final cost on each coach will be different depending on how much body repair and modifications each needs.
Distance to bring the coach to us is relative, you would need to take it to them anyway. If you like, I will pick up and deliver your coach, we do a lote of that-- pay expenses, a return ticket if it's too far away to drive home and $100 a day. I sleep on the sofa, eat at Taco Bell and drive straight through! There will be a line list for the Red Bull! I picked up a coach in LA recently for an exterior refinish, drove it here non stop.
The GMC community IS our main customer, it's not fill in work on the side, we are here to keep the GMC on the road. We have been involved in the GMC community for over 20 years, we do our work in house and have the experience to do the right job. If you want something wild or basic, we can do it-- folks at the GMCMI convention saw what I mean by that-- folks at the WS rally saw the delivery of a coach to a customer from Arizona, we delivered it to the rally. Don't think we are too far away or too expensive. It really is all the same if someone is honest. This is what we do and I feel we do a pretty good job of it.
Call me direct if you have other questions, July 4th we are delivering a coach to a Berkley California owner. I wish Texas wasn't sooooo big but hey, all roads lead...
Jim Bounds
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From: Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs?
The wheels seem to be quite durable and I would say that they outlast the
Eastwood wheels 4:1. I removed the graphics on the front, and rear using
just one. The new ones are red and no one can beat the cost on Amazon.
Quick to change. The price of the tool is a bit of a pain though.
Steve F.
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Jim Bounds <gmccoop@yahoo.com> wrote:
> What I meant was the reason you use these wheels and stuff is to not gouge
> the paint, wanted to be sure folks knew why they needed to use them. Yea,
> that's a good looking gaget, wish it just came in an arbor to fit our
> tools. Would probably do a good job, might wear out faster-- might work
> faster though too.
>
> You are certainly on track,
>
> Jim Bounds
> ------------------
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 9:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs?
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>
> Jim,
> I've never gouged the paint with these soft wheels. I notice though, that
> the original wheels that I bought with the tool were brown and the
> replacements are now red. Are you saying that there's a difference in the
> wheel composition that can gouge paint? BTW, I have not tried the red yet
> but they no longer offer the brown ones. I burned the paint in two very
> tight areas with the edge of the wheel, but on the long flat sides, keeping
> the tool right at the stalliing point works best and at those slow speeds,
> it's impossible to burn the paint.
> Steve F
>
>
> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Jim Bounds <gmccoop@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > The trick with this tool (scary lookn critter) or whatever is used is to
> > not "gouge" the original surface-- that creates repair labor and is not
> > easy to feather out. One gouge into the original surface and that's it.
> >
> > Jim Bounds
> > -----------------
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com>
> > To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 9:24 AM
> > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs?
> >
> >
> > Having them made and applying them is the easy part. The real bear is
> > getting the old ones off. The answer used to be the Eastwood eraser
> > wheels. The newer kid on the block is this one: *
> > http://tinyurl.com/mtgmlqo*
> > **
> > It is still a very labor intensive process. I have found that it works a
> > bit faster if the side of the coach you're working on is in the sun*.*
> > Using a tool with a heated, replaceable razor blade will work, but they
> > tend to gouge the paint and burn fingers. I found no spray on dissolver
> > that is effective on decals as old as our. You can find several youtube
> > vids showing the use of various tools but those are all on fairly new
> vinyl
> > decals.
> > Steve F.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 7:20 AM, RJW <mygmc@palmbeachgmc.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Stick Miller wrote on Fri, 17 May 2013 18:25
> > > > When I had some wiring done on my coach in Panama City I asked the
> > owner
> > > what he would charge to paint a GMC. He gave no details but said that
> > with
> > > a "minimum of body work" it would start around $14K. Too rich for my
> > blood.
> > > Mine looks better and better to me.
> > >
> > >
> > > My paint is not all that bad. It can be buffed and can look pretty good
> > > from 100 feet. The decals are another story. They are faded and the
> > edges
> > > dirty. Now that my hoped for under $6,000 paint job has gone the way of
> > > $2.00/gallon gas, I'm thinking that I should either repaint the decals
> or
> > > get new ones made from a vinyl stripes/graphics place.
> > >
> > > Anyone have a good experience repainting or getting new decals? It
> seems
> > > that would be a cheap way of renewing the look of my GMC while I try to
> > > save enough $$ to get a decent paint job.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Richard
> > > 76 Palm Beach
> > > SE Michigan
> > > www.PalmBeachGMC.com
> > >
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That is a VERY fair price Jim. Very reasonable. What kind of time frame could someone expect if they wanted to drop off a coach ready to break down, scuff, and shoot. The reason I'm asking is that for some of us, it might make sense to schedule the event, pull a toad to Mickey land and goof off for ??? days.
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That is a VERY fair price Jim. Very reasonable. What kind of time frame could someone expect if they wanted to drop off a coach ready to break down, scuff, and shoot. The reason I'm asking is that for some of us, it might make sense to schedule the event, pull a toad to Mickey land and goof off for ??? days.
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I doubt a few days at Mickey land would be enough... but they do run cruises out of Florida.... hmmm.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs? [message #208598 is a reply to message #208590] |
Wed, 22 May 2013 20:28 |
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That's a bargain.
From: Jim Bounds <gmccoop@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs?
We will paint a coach with no body work or assembly for $4300.00. That is:
breaking the coach down-- taking the stuff off that will come off (actually they bagged more of it) and bagging the rest. We will DA (dual action) sand the body to a good bite surface, prime/seal the entire coach (not sure if they did that but we feel it must happen), base 2 colors with a simple lay out (quality materials 3 coats) then clear the coach with high solids clear 4 coats.
This does not cover any body repair, filling holes, accessory painting, new lights, new vents, pulling the rails, resealing seams, wet sand and buff or assembly. Obviously much of that must be done, you can choose to do it yourself or we will do that for additional expense. I feel this would be a better comparision to the work they were doing. I do not know what Topeka Graphics charged for their work exactly but work is work and I feel this is comparable. Final cost on each coach will be different depending on how much body repair and modifications each needs.
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The Eukanuba is the seond week in December..... Drop off the coach, do the show, chuck the tack inside the coach, haul the dog home in the toad, and come back after the first of the year. Hmmm... I'm not sure it'll be seaworthy by December.... I may need a requote for '14.
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Kerry Pinkerton wrote on Wed, 22 May 2013 17:22
> That is a VERY fair price Jim. Very reasonable. What kind of time frame could someone expect if they wanted to drop off a coach ready to break down, scuff, and shoot. The reason I'm asking is that for some of us, it might make sense to schedule the event, pull a toad to Mickey land and goof off for ??? days.
I doubt a few days at Mickey land would be enough... but they do run cruises out of Florida.... hmmm.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs? [message #208615 is a reply to message #208590] |
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I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble, but don't assume that Topeka
Graphics was helped through the economic downturn by painting GMCs. If
anyone knows the business at all and has any business sense, they'd
understand.
For instance, Topeka Graphics never did more than ten coaches in a year.
Since he seldom charged more than $6,000 per coach, the total income would
be $60,000. Now, you do the math. Would that make a dent in what an owner,
a secretary, and six employees would need in addition to the building,
utilities, and taxes?
The truth is, Topeka Graphics doubled their space by 2009, the worst time
of the slump, in order to handle the business that was coming in. Larry's
business is an American success story. I would tend to believe that the
decision to discontinue was made on other factors one of which could be
people expecting a $12K job for $6K. Painting GMCs weren't the priority,
not to a company that generated in excess of a couple of million dollars a
year even in the midst of the RV slump.
OK, for the answer. Using the information I just provided (which I know to
be true), painting GMCs was 3% of his business. Folks, that's an easy
percentage to replace if your main customer's business increased by 1%.
The decision was a business decision.
Personally, higher standards aside, the paint jobs by Topeka Graphics were
always of good quality. I've seen a few better and a lot more worse. No
other paint shop did as well over the last dozen years or so. My hat's off
to them.
Byron Songer
Louisville, KY
PS. By the way, I have no tie to Topeka Graphics; never did and never
will. Larry was kind enough to show up for the first design presentation I
did at Goshen in the fall of 2011.
ATTENTION: This reply is in reference to what is provided belowŠ
>My guess is the GMC community helped keep Topeka Graphics viable through
>the the RV economy downturn-- many RV related suppliers went away.
>Though the profit was not as much as they could make doing their main
>work still, keeping the lights on is a desirable goal when many other
>people had their phone simply stop ringing. I have found we stayed busy
>through whatever economic condition, renovating a GMC always ends up
>being the "cheapest toy in the box" anyway so this community,
>specifically the GMCnet should probably get a big thank you from Topeka
>Graphics. It was a niche that kept them going.
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Byron,
Makes sense to me!
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Byron Songer
I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble, but don't assume that Topeka
Graphics was helped through the economic downturn by painting GMCs. If
anyone knows the business at all and has any business sense, they'd
understand.
For instance, Topeka Graphics never did more than ten coaches in a year.
Since he seldom charged more than $6,000 per coach, the total income would
be $60,000. Now, you do the math. Would that make a dent in what an owner,
a secretary, and six employees would need in addition to the building,
utilities, and taxes?
The truth is, Topeka Graphics doubled their space by 2009, the worst time
of the slump, in order to handle the business that was coming in. Larry's
business is an American success story. I would tend to believe that the
decision to discontinue was made on other factors one of which could be
people expecting a $12K job for $6K. Painting GMCs weren't the priority,
not to a company that generated in excess of a couple of million dollars a
year even in the midst of the RV slump.
OK, for the answer. Using the information I just provided (which I know to
be true), painting GMCs was 3% of his business. Folks, that's an easy
percentage to replace if your main customer's business increased by 1%.
The decision was a business decision.
Personally, higher standards aside, the paint jobs by Topeka Graphics were
always of good quality. I've seen a few better and a lot more worse. No
other paint shop did as well over the last dozen years or so. My hat's off
to them.
Byron Songer
Louisville, KY
PS. By the way, I have no tie to Topeka Graphics; never did and never
will. Larry was kind enough to show up for the first design presentation I
did at Goshen in the fall of 2011.
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Thu, 23 May 2013 08:30 |
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>people expecting a $12K job for $6K.
Exactly.
That's the biggest factor, I suspect, regardless of the state of Topeka's business. In my other life, my peers regularly "fire clients" from their consultancies. Invariably, the root of the problem is wanting something for (nearly) nothing.
From gmcnet's reaction, we've lost a vendor that provided nice work. Too bad, really.
There are times when an Earl Scheib paint job is good enough. Scuff it, mask it, blow it. Roll it out the door. Just don't look too closely. I'm not interested in that for the coaches we're having built currently, but I'm not opposed to doing it if that works for the intended use of a coach.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs? [message #208625 is a reply to message #208615] |
Thu, 23 May 2013 08:40 |
Jim Bounds
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For whatever the reason, something changed and usually it's all about the money. Everyone is always looking for the "BBD" (bigger, better deal). Too much it's only about price and the way people conceal the way they do and do not offer a superior value. I have always chosen to not comprimize or play the game. I hate buying a new car, just can't understand why they don;t just tell me what the car costs! Perception may be reality but reality my not be what you percieve. Labor is not cheap, people deserve an honest wage-- we don't live in Bangladesh. It's only fair to pay someone for their hard work but not for substandard coverups. And that's pretty much what it's about.
Â
Jim Bounds
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From: Byron Songer <bsonger@songerconsulting.net>
To: GMC List <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs?
I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble, but don't assume that Topeka
Graphics was helped through the economic downturn by painting GMCs. If
anyone knows the business at all and has any business sense, they'd
understand.
For instance, Topeka Graphics never did more than ten coaches in a year.
Since he seldom charged more than $6,000 per coach, the total income would
be $60,000. Now, you do the math. Would that make a dent in what an owner,
a secretary, and six employees would need in addition to the building,
utilities, and taxes?
The truth is, Topeka Graphics doubled their space by 2009, the worst time
of the slump, in order to handle the business that was coming in. Larry's
business is an American success story. I would tend to believe that the
decision to discontinue was made on other factors one of which could be
people expecting a $12K job for $6K. Painting GMCs weren't the priority,
not to a company that generated in excess of a couple of million dollars a
year even in the midst of the RV slump.
OK, for the answer. Using the information I just provided (which I know to
be true), painting GMCs was 3% of his business. Folks, that's an easy
percentage to replace if your main customer's business increased by 1%.
The decision was a business decision.
Personally, higher standards aside, the paint jobs by Topeka Graphics were
always of good quality. I've seen a few better and a lot more worse. No
other paint shop did as well over the last dozen years or so. My hat's off
to them.
Byron Songer
Louisville, KY
PS. By the way, I have no tie to Topeka Graphics; never did and never
will. Larry was kind enough to show up for the first design presentation I
did at Goshen in the fall of 2011.
ATTENTION: This reply is in reference to what is provided belowÅ
>My guess is the GMC community helped keep Topeka Graphics viable through
>the the RV economy downturn-- many RV related suppliers went away.
>Though the profit was not as much as they could make doing their main
>work still, keeping the lights on is a desirable goal when many other
>people had their phone simply stop ringing. I have found we stayed busy
>through whatever economic condition, renovating a GMC always ends up
>being the "cheapest toy in the box" anyway so this community,
>specifically the GMCnet should probably get a big thank you from Topeka
>Graphics. It was a niche that kept them going.
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wrote another post explaining some things but guess what-- it was too long. Me--- what--- too longgggg-- yea, I'm guilty. The big thing I wanted to say is there are many details to an exterior refinish, each one add to the final cost. Example, there are 10 (countm) top clearance lights-- each one has to be taken off (soooo darn rusty), silocone cleaned up, holes filled then the coach painted. After that, you wire, test, seal and secure each. Many shops will just bag off the rusty light and smeared silocone-- paint it and that's what you have. There is a cost doing new LED ($12 each) lights up there-- it all costs so no exterior refinish will ever stop at $4300. Don't fixate on that 1 number, it will not be that.
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Jim Bounds
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From: Jim Bounds <gmccoop@yahoo.com>
To: "gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org" <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs?
For whatever the reason, something changed and usually it's all about the money. Everyone is always looking for the "BBD" (bigger, better deal). Too much it's only about price and the way people conceal the way they do and do not offer a superior value. I have always chosen to not comprimize or play the game. I hate buying a new car, just can't understand why they don;t just tell me what the car costs! Perception may be reality but reality my not be what you percieve. Labor is not cheap, people deserve an honest wage-- we don't live in Bangladesh. It's only fair to pay someone for their hard work but not for substandard coverups. And that's pretty much what it's about.
Â
Jim Bounds
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From: Byron Songer <bsonger@songerconsulting.net>
To: GMC List <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs?
I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble, but don't assume that Topeka
Graphics was helped through the economic downturn by painting GMCs. If
anyone knows the business at all and has any business sense, they'd
understand.
For instance, Topeka Graphics never did more than ten coaches in a year.
Since he seldom charged more than $6,000 per coach, the total income would
be $60,000. Now, you do the math. Would that make a dent in what an owner,
a secretary, and six employees would need in addition to the building,
utilities, and taxes?
The truth is, Topeka Graphics doubled their space by 2009, the worst time
of the slump, in order to handle the business that was coming in. Larry's
business is an American success story. I would tend to believe that the
decision to discontinue was made on other factors one of which could be
people expecting a $12K job for $6K. Painting GMCs weren't the priority,
not to a company that generated in excess of a couple of million dollars a
year even in the midst of the RV slump.
OK, for the answer. Using the information I just provided (which I know to
be true), painting GMCs was 3% of his business. Folks, that's an easy
percentage to replace if your main customer's business increased by 1%.
The decision was a business decision.
Personally, higher standards aside, the paint jobs by Topeka Graphics were
always of good quality. I've seen a few better and a lot more worse. No
other paint shop did as well over the last dozen years or so. My hat's off
to them.
Byron Songer
Louisville, KY
PS. By the way, I have no tie to Topeka Graphics; never did and never
will. Larry was kind enough to show up for the first design presentation I
did at Goshen in the fall of 2011.
ATTENTION: This reply is in reference to what is provided belowÅ
>My guess is the GMC community helped keep Topeka Graphics viable through
>the the RV economy downturn-- many RV related suppliers went away.
>Though the profit was not as much as they could make doing their main
>work still, keeping the lights on is a desirable goal when many other
>people had their phone simply stop ringing. I have found we stayed busy
>through whatever economic condition, renovating a GMC always ends up
>being the "cheapest toy in the box" anyway so this community,
>specifically the GMCnet should probably get a big thank you from Topeka
>Graphics. It was a niche that kept them going.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs? [message #208636 is a reply to message #208633] |
Thu, 23 May 2013 11:58 |
kelvin
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Location: Eugene, OR
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On 5/23/2013 9:02 AM, Jim Bounds wrote:
> wrote another post explaining some things but guess what-- it was too long. Me--- what--- too longgggg-- yea, I'm guilty. The big thing I wanted to say is there are many details to an exterior refinish, each one add to the final cost. Example, there are 10 (countm) top clearance lights-- each one has to be taken off (soooo darn rusty), silocone cleaned up, holes filled then the coach painted. After that, you wire, test, seal and secure each. Many shops will just bag off the rusty light and smeared silocone-- paint it and that's what you have. There is a cost doing new LED ($12 each) lights up there-- it all costs so no exterior refinish will ever stop at $4300. Don't fixate on that 1 number, it will not be that.
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> Jim Bounds
Just went thru all of this on my coach. I didn't do any of the actual
body and paint work but I did almost all of the preperation other than
sanding. Being an Oregon coach rust isn't as much of an issue so most of
the clearance lights came off ok. POs had slathered a couple gallons of
silicone over the coach. That all has to come off, of course.
Just stripping all the pieces off is a task. If you don't want them to
just tape everything off then it's best to remove the parts. There are a
LOT of parts on a GMC that you want to paint under. The AC is a big
one. The idea of old paint under that assembly didn't sit well.
Do you want the old (insert your OEM color here) on the undersides of
all the hatches? No... I wanted the new color. Hatches come off. Both
the propane and generator doors had cracks from 40 years of use. Those
had to be fixed.
And my paint was so wasted that painting over it would have been folly.
All of it needed to come off.
The final paint looks awesome from 20 feet away. There was almost no
bodywork so there are waves and ripples but I'm confident the paint will
stick on there for decades.
The guy who did this quoted $6000 and stuck to it. I got a deal because
he didn't know better.
He said he'd do another of for $7500 and I think that's a steal.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kelvins_pics/sets/72157632335982130/
Kelvin
'73 23' in Eugene, OR
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| Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs? [message #208640 is a reply to message #208633] |
Thu, 23 May 2013 13:37 |
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USAussie
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Jim,
I hate to tell you this but in my OPINION you and Kevin may have shot yourselves in the foot with that $4300 number. I ga-ron-tee no
matter what you say from this point forward THE number that WILL stick in anyone's, er, make that EVERYONE'S mind is FOUR THOUSAND
THREE HUNDRED for a paint job. The disclaimer below will quickly be forgotten!
I'll bet the phrase you will hear after handing someone a bill for a paint job will be; "BUT YOU SAID!"
I reckon to save your self a lot of grief it might be a good idea to put together a quote sheet that has two columns; one column
lists what the $4300 paint job includes in detail. The second column lists what does not include. If possible list a budgetary cost
for each item that it does not include.
Quite frankly what I perceive is that it could be what someone like me (anally retentive perfectionist) IF and that's a big IF I do
all the prep work and bring you Double Trouble ready to finish sand and paint.
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Bounds
wrote another post explaining some things but guess what-- it was too long. Me--- what--- too longgggg-- yea, I'm guilty. The big
thing I wanted to say is there are many details to an exterior refinish, each one add to the final cost. Example, there are 10
(countm) top clearance lights-- each one has to be taken off (soooo darn rusty), silocone cleaned up, holes filled then the coach
painted. After that, you wire, test, seal and secure each. Many shops will just bag off the rusty light and smeared silocone--
paint it and that's what you have. There is a cost doing new LED ($12 each) lights up there-- it all costs so no exterior refinish
will ever stop at $4300. Don't fixate on that 1 number, it will not be that.
Jim Bounds
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
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'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs? [message #208667 is a reply to message #208640] |
Thu, 23 May 2013 19:57 |
jhbridges
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It's still a bargain, if he scuffs and paints whatever I didn't take off the coach and clear coats it.
Now, to take this a bit further, nobody in his right mind will guarantee the adhesion if I prepped it... and ya can't blame him. He who preps the surface owns the fisheyes. And (depending on the coating) the filiform worms too.
Now, cheeep basset that I am, I am likely to do the disassembly and prep, go for the lowball, and figure it'll look passable from twenty feet away. For a concors piece, you're gonna push 20 Large real hard... and I'd be scared to get it on the road for fear I'd dirt it up. I rather spend limited funds on mechanicals and systems. I can't see the outside when I'm in it anyhow.
--johnny
From: Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs?
Jim,
I hate to tell you this but in my OPINION you and Kevin may have shot yourselves in the foot with that $4300 number. I ga-ron-tee no
matter what you say from this point forward THE number that WILL stick in anyone's, er, make that EVERYONE'S mind is FOUR THOUSAND
THREE HUNDRED for a paint job. The disclaimer below will quickly be forgotten!
I'll bet the phrase you will hear after handing someone a bill for a paint job will be; "BUT YOU SAID!"
I reckon to save your self a lot of grief it might be a good idea to put together a quote sheet that has two columns; one column
lists what the $4300 paint job includes in detail. The second column lists what does not include. If possible list a budgetary cost
for each item that it does not include.
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