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On May 19, 2013, at 3:46 AM, Ray Erspamer <78gmc-royale@att.net> wrote:
> After thinking quite a bit about this, I think Bob is dead on with the reason
> why Topeka has quit painting GMC's. Someone or several people may have gotten
> pissy with them and really nit picked their work, maybe enough that he finally
> said THE HECK WITH THIS. His paint jobs were very nice, not show car quality,
> but considering the price it's a great paint job for the money. I'm sure some
> people expected perfection but still at the bargain price.
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> Ray
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> Ray & Lisa
> 78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
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> Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
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> Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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> rjw wrote on Thu, 16 May 2013 11:43
>> I have been thinking about having my GMC painted. Remembering that Larry
>> Bontrager (owner of Topeka Graphics) and Byron Songer did a GMCMI seminar on
>> paint jobs a few years ago, I decided to give them a call. After explaining to
>> the woman that answered the phone that I was interested in a paint job for my
>> GMC, I was told that they don't do GMCs anymore. They only do graphics on new
>> RVs.
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>> Has anyone else heard this?
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>> Richard
>> SE Michigan
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> I suspect certain GMC owners and the interactions may be part of this issue
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| Re: Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs? [message #208266 is a reply to message #208097] |
Sun, 19 May 2013 09:20 |
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| Stick Miller wrote on Fri, 17 May 2013 18:25 |
When I had some wiring done on my coach in Panama City I asked the owner what he would charge to paint a GMC. He gave no details but said that with a "minimum of body work" it would start around $14K. Too rich for my blood. Mine looks better and better to me.
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My paint is not all that bad. It can be buffed and can look pretty good from 100 feet. The decals are another story. They are faded and the edges dirty. Now that my hoped for under $6,000 paint job has gone the way of $2.00/gallon gas, I'm thinking that I should either repaint the decals or get new ones made from a vinyl stripes/graphics place.
Anyone have a good experience repainting or getting new decals? It seems that would be a cheap way of renewing the look of my GMC while I try to save enough $$ to get a decent paint job.
Richard
76 Palm Beach
SE Michigan
www.PalmBeachGMC.com
Roller Cam 455, TBI+EBL, 3.42 FD, 4 Bag, Macerator, Lenzi (brakes, vacuum system, front end stuff), Manny Tranny, vacuum step, Tankless + OEM water heaters.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs? [message #208276 is a reply to message #208272] |
Sun, 19 May 2013 10:09 |
Ray Erspamer
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If a person could get a body shop that had a large enough booth and would work
with you, a person might be able t..o do all of the sanding and prep work,
masking etc and then just have them shoot it. When I was in college there were
shops that would do that.
Ray
Ray & Lisa
78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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From: Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
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Sent: Sun, May 19, 2013 9:34:57 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs?
Peter,
When I was attending the TAFE welding course I found out that they gave paint
and body courses too and you could bring your own
vehicle to work on. Looks like I'll be taking a paint and body course!
Regards,
Rob M.
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From: Peter Bailey
Rob,
Johnny Mac had his GMC painted here in Australia many years ago the colour is
white and done in 2 pac and the cost back then was
A$20,000 I would suggest the price now would be $25,000+.
I have a friend who just paid A$7000 for a basic 2pac paint job on a mini minor
(included preparation)
I am currently helping another friend prepare and paint his mini and I would say
all the materials needed to complete the job will
cost around $600 to $700. The good thing for me is I am doing the welding of
rust areas and knocking of dents and he is doing the
labourish filling and rubbing down.I have had to fix some of his filling due to
him being heavy handed sanding. I will be doing the
final painting which is the easiest part of any total paint job the preparation
is the key to success.
Peter
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| Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs? [message #208277 is a reply to message #208240] |
Sun, 19 May 2013 10:09 |
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C'mon Bob / Ray,
Are you guys saying that some GMCer's expect something for nothing? NAH, NO WAY, THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE! ;-)
Regards,
Rob M.
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From: Ray Erspamer
After thinking quite a bit about this, I think Bob is dead on with the reason
why Topeka has quit painting GMC's. Someone or several people may have gotten
pissy with them and really nit picked their work, maybe enough that he finally
said THE HECK WITH THIS. His paint jobs were very nice, not show car quality,
but considering the price it's a great paint job for the money. I'm sure some
people expected perfection but still at the bargain price.
Ray
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I suspect certain GMC owners and the interactions may be part of this issue
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| Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs? [message #208278 is a reply to message #208276] |
Sun, 19 May 2013 10:14 |
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I'm treating with a local one to do exactly that. Boss wasn't in Friday, I'll go back next week.
--johnny
From: Ray Erspamer <78gmc-royale@att.net>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs?
If a person could get a body shop that had a large enough booth and would work
with you, a person might be able t..o do all of the sanding and prep work,
masking etc and then just have them shoot it. When I was in college there were
shops that would do that.
Ray
Ray & Lisa
78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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From: Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Sun, May 19, 2013 9:34:57 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs?
Peter,
When I was attending the TAFE welding course I found out that they gave paint
and body courses too and you could bring your own
vehicle to work on. Looks like I'll be taking a paint and body course!
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Bailey
Rob,
Johnny Mac had his GMC painted here in Australia many years ago the colour is
white and done in 2 pac and the cost back then was
A$20,000 I would suggest the price now would be $25,000+.
I have a friend who just paid A$7000 for a basic 2pac paint job on a mini minor
(included preparation)
I am currently helping another friend prepare and paint his mini and I would say
all the materials needed to complete the job will
cost around $600 to $700. The good thing for me is I am doing the welding of
rust areas and knocking of dents and he is doing the
labourish filling and rubbing down.I have had to fix some of his filling due to
him being heavy handed sanding. I will be doing the
final painting which is the easiest part of any total paint job the preparation
is the key to success.
Peter
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| Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics ... Decals [message #208305 is a reply to message #208292] |
Sun, 19 May 2013 13:21 |
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Contact Terry Taylor, or tell us what you want and will get it for you at
same price.
As we say around here "there is not a part we can not Supply"
On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Tim Conway <mactac735@mac.com> wrote:
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> On May 19, 2013, at 10:20 AM, RJW wrote:
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> > Anyone have a good experience repainting or getting new decals?
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> I saw someone had them for sale but I haven't found the link. There's this
> at bdub...
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> http://www.bdub.net/gmc-decals/
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> and Byron had this...
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> http://www.songerconsulting.net/gmcmh/
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| Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics ... Decals [message #208312 is a reply to message #208293] |
Sun, 19 May 2013 14:55 |
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I did most of the art that Terry Taylor uses.
If you want a particular model, I can send you the vector artwork and any
vinyl sign shop can do the work. All they need is the vector art for the
cleanest job. Some place scan a graphic and, hopefully, come out with clean
art. It isn't so clean when you look at it exploded. Only something done as
a vector graphic will work. Vector art is made up of points with definitions
of the curve (tangents, etc.).
Byron Songer
Louisville, KY
gene Fisher wrote:
> here go
> http://www.dldesignstore.com/
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> gene
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> On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Tim Conway <mactac735@mac.com> wrote:
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>> On May 19, 2013, at 10:20 AM, RJW wrote:
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>>> Anyone have a good experience repainting or getting new decals?
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>> I saw someone had them for sale but I haven't found the link. There's this
>> at bdub...
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>> http://www.bdub.net/gmc-decals/
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>> and Byron had this...
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>> http://www.songerconsulting.net/gmcmh/
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>> Tim Conway
>> LI NY 78 PB
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| Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs? [message #208335 is a reply to message #208266] |
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On 5/19/2013 7:20 AM, RJW wrote:
> Anyone have a good experience repainting or getting new decals? It seems that would be a cheap way of renewing the look of my GMC while I try to save enough $$ to get a decent paint job.
I don't do the stripes, but do have most of the other logos available.
www.dldesignstore.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs? [message #208350 is a reply to message #208349] |
Sun, 19 May 2013 22:11 |
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The stripes are OK down the side or around the rear. However, if you take
them around the front the width of the stripe needs to change. Vinyl stripes
can't change width "on the fly". That's where proper masking technique comes
in. Its also how you tell the difference between an Earl Sheib paint job and
a real paint job by a professional that knows the business.
Byron Songer
Louisville, KY
Darryl Meyers wrote:
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> If you are just looking for stripes, I came across this:
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> http://www.stripeman.com/
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| Re: Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs? [message #208351 is a reply to message #207931] |
Sun, 19 May 2013 22:36 |
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As far a I know I'm the only one in the organization that had the stripes reproduced in vinyl. I did it cause they didn't exist. I borrowed some NOS GM parts stickers from GEMRECS for the dimensions especially the curve at the front corners. I also did the emblems for the EII as I didn't know of the ones others had done. Colors can be changed to PB green etc. There should be pictures if you search by me. .
John Lebetski
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| Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs? [message #208355 is a reply to message #208351] |
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On 5/19/13, John R. Lebetski <gransport@aol.com> wrote:
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> As far a I know I'm the only one in the organization that had the stripes
> reproduced in vinyl. I did it cause they didn't exist. I borrowed some NOS
> GM parts stickers from GEMRECS for the dimensions especially the curve at
> the front corners. I also did the emblems for the EII as I didn't know of
> the ones others had done. Colors can be changed to PB green etc. There
> should be pictures if you search by me. .
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| Re: Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs? [message #208362 is a reply to message #208351] |
Mon, 20 May 2013 07:14 |
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| JohnL455 wrote on Sun, 19 May 2013 23:36 |
As far a I know I'm the only one in the organization that had the stripes reproduced in vinyl. I did it cause they didn't exist. I borrowed some NOS GM parts stickers from GEMRECS for the dimensions especially the curve at the front corners. I also did the emblems for the EII as I didn't know of the ones others had done. Colors can be changed to PB green etc. There should be pictures if you search by me. .
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John,
This may be the route for me to take. Have the stripes and decals duplicated and use them to give me more time before I absolutely need it repainted.
I could not find the pictures you posted. I searched the GMC photo site but no luck. I would like to see them.
Richard
76 Palm Beach
SE Michigan
www.PalmBeachGMC.com
Roller Cam 455, TBI+EBL, 3.42 FD, 4 Bag, Macerator, Lenzi (brakes, vacuum system, front end stuff), Manny Tranny, vacuum step, Tankless + OEM water heaters.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs? [message #208372 is a reply to message #208362] |
Mon, 20 May 2013 08:01 |
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I knew some smart guy out there in GMCland did the right thing but I
couldn't remember who; I just remember why.
Byron Songer
Louisville, KY
RJW wrote:
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> JohnL455 wrote on Sun, 19 May 2013 23:36
>> As far a I know I'm the only one in the organization that had the stripes
>> reproduced in vinyl. I did it cause they didn't exist. I borrowed some NOS
>> GM parts stickers from GEMRECS for the dimensions especially the curve at the
>> front corners. I also did the emblems for the EII as I didn't know of the
>> ones others had done. Colors can be changed to PB green etc. There should
>> be pictures if you search by me. .
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> John,
>
> This may be the route for me to take. Have the stripes and decals duplicated
> and use them to give me more time before I absolutely need it repainted.
>
> I could not find the pictures you posted. I searched the GMC photo site but no
> luck. I would like to see them.
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs? [message #208374 is a reply to message #208266] |
Mon, 20 May 2013 08:24 |
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Having them made and applying them is the easy part. The real bear is
getting the old ones off. The answer used to be the Eastwood eraser
wheels. The newer kid on the block is this one: *
http://tinyurl.com/mtgmlqo*
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It is still a very labor intensive process. I have found that it works a
bit faster if the side of the coach you're working on is in the sun*.*
Using a tool with a heated, replaceable razor blade will work, but they
tend to gouge the paint and burn fingers. I found no spray on dissolver
that is effective on decals as old as our. You can find several youtube
vids showing the use of various tools but those are all on fairly new vinyl
decals.
Steve F.
On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 7:20 AM, RJW <mygmc@palmbeachgmc.com> wrote:
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> Stick Miller wrote on Fri, 17 May 2013 18:25
> > When I had some wiring done on my coach in Panama City I asked the owner
> what he would charge to paint a GMC. He gave no details but said that with
> a "minimum of body work" it would start around $14K. Too rich for my blood.
> Mine looks better and better to me.
>
>
> My paint is not all that bad. It can be buffed and can look pretty good
> from 100 feet. The decals are another story. They are faded and the edges
> dirty. Now that my hoped for under $6,000 paint job has gone the way of
> $2.00/gallon gas, I'm thinking that I should either repaint the decals or
> get new ones made from a vinyl stripes/graphics place.
>
> Anyone have a good experience repainting or getting new decals? It seems
> that would be a cheap way of renewing the look of my GMC while I try to
> save enough $$ to get a decent paint job.
>
> --
> Richard
> 76 Palm Beach
> SE Michigan
> www.PalmBeachGMC.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs? [message #208384 is a reply to message #208278] |
Mon, 20 May 2013 09:30 |
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When you were in college, you had other important aspects-- you had youth, energy, strength and the ability to just get it done. Go for it but I think you will find you really don;t want to work that hard! The best way to demoralize a painter it to put a DA in his hand and tell him to go prep a GMC, they are used to knocking out a couple of cars a day-- a GMC prep will go on-- and on-- and on. If he knows what he's doing and tries to do what's right-- if he finishes he will usually say "he'll never do that again". Sorry but it's not easy to paint these if you do it right. Shooting the paint is just a line list of a 4-6 page list of steps and labor to a full restoration. If you are going to expend the energy to do it at all you should do it right. It's said we are in Florida and you gays are everywhere else, I have 3 coaches right now in our shop from the left coast, 1 from Berkley! We're building 4 commercial machines for a customer in
Texas, we have motor projects here from New Mexico, Texas, etc.
You will find when it comes to unique vehicles and finding someone other than "Bubba" saying "Gosh, always wanted to work on one of them there" bringing is cross country may be the best and most economical alternative-- it might cost less to bring it than repairing what someone else screwed up! Hey, you had to drive it to them anyway...
Jim Bounds
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From: Johnny Bridges <jhbridges@ymail.com>
To: "gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org" <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs?
I'm treating with a local one to do exactly that. Boss wasn't in Friday, I'll go back next week.
--johnny
From: Ray Erspamer <78gmc-royale@att.net>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs?
If a person could get a body shop that had a large enough booth and would work
with you, a person might be able t..o do all of the sanding and prep work,
masking etc and then just have them shoot it. When I was in college there were
shops that would do that.
Ray
Ray & Lisa
78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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From: Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Sun, May 19, 2013 9:34:57 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Topeka Graphics no longer painting GMCs?
Peter,
When I was attending the TAFE welding course I found out that they gave paint
and body courses too and you could bring your own
vehicle to work on. Looks like I'll be taking a paint and body course!
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Bailey
Rob,
Johnny Mac had his GMC painted here in Australia many years ago the colour is
white and done in 2 pac and the cost back then was
A$20,000 I would suggest the price now would be $25,000+.
I have a friend who just paid A$7000 for a basic 2pac paint job on a mini minor
(included preparation)
I am currently helping another friend prepare and paint his mini and I would say
all the materials needed to complete the job will
cost around $600 to $700. The good thing for me is I am doing the welding of
rust areas and knocking of dents and he is doing the
labourish filling and rubbing down.I have had to fix some of his filling due to
him being heavy handed sanding. I will be doing the
final painting which is the easiest part of any total paint job the preparation
is the key to success.
Peter
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