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| [GMCnet] Kitchen Window Removal [message #208067] |
Fri, 17 May 2013 13:26  |
Peter Garry
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Hi all,
I am considering removing the kitchen window in my 23' side bath. Has anybody done this? What sort of panel can be used to fill the hole? Or is just painting the inside of the glass look ok? The present window is a slider, so can the glass be replaced with a single pane? A lot of questions I know, but who better to ask than the sages of the GMC net.
PeterG
Calgary Alberta
'73 - 23' (once a painted desert)
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| Re: [GMCnet] Kitchen Window Removal [message #208071 is a reply to message #208067] |
Fri, 17 May 2013 14:34  |
tphipps
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Peter, removing is easy, covering the hole may be not so much. Do not dispose of the sliding window, they were an option and hard to come by. Mainly from parts coaches.
You could attempt to get a non-sliding window, remove the glass, replace the glass with a panel, then re-install your now non-window. This allows you to reverse the project more easily than "filling" the resulting hole from the window removal.
I have not seen any coaches where this has been down, but there might be some.
Tom, MS II
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| Re: [GMCnet] Kitchen Window Removal [message #208076 is a reply to message #208067] |
Fri, 17 May 2013 15:04 |
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You could tint the window with black tint and cover it on the inside with another piece of wall panelling pretty easily and it will be much more reversible than removing the window.
Jwit
Sully
77 royale
Seattle
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On May 17, 2013, at 11:26 AM, Peter Garry <petergarry@me.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
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> I am considering removing the kitchen window in my 23' side bath. Has anybody done this? What sort of panel can be used to fill the hole? Or is just painting the inside of the glass look ok? The present window is a slider, so can the glass be replaced with a single pane? A lot of questions I know, but who better to ask than the sages of the GMC net.
>
> PeterG
> Calgary Alberta
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| Re: [GMCnet] Kitchen dish washer Van Dyke [message #208096 is a reply to message #208086] |
Fri, 17 May 2013 17:25 |
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Does anyone know what kind of dishwasher this is in Van Dykes show off gmc. What a rig, great stuff.
mickey :-) anaheim ca. 77 palm beach
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/van-dyck-s-higher-tech-coach/p11895.html
On May 17, 2013, at 2:08 PM, Howard and Sue wrote:
> Steve Ferguson installed a panel on the inside.
> You and other will not notice the change from the outside.
> This is one of my to do things.
> Using a S S panel with a shelf across the panel for the stuff we need for
> cooking.
> Howard
> Alpine Ca
> 26' Canyon Lands
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> From: "Peter Garry" <petergarry@me.com>
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> Subject: [GMCnet] Kitchen Window Removal
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>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am considering removing the kitchen window in my 23' side bath. Has
>> anybody done this? What sort of panel can be used to fill the hole? Or is
>> just painting the inside of the glass look ok? The present window is a
>> slider, so can the glass be replaced with a single pane? A lot of
>> questions I know, but who better to ask than the sages of the GMC net.
>>
>> PeterG
>> Calgary Alberta
>> '73 - 23' (once a painted desert)
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| Re: [GMCnet] Kitchen Window Removal [message #208110 is a reply to message #208067] |
Fri, 17 May 2013 18:30 |
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| Peter Garry wrote on Fri, 17 May 2013 11:26 |
Hi all,
I am considering removing the kitchen window in my 23' side bath. Has anybody done this? What sort of panel can be used to fill the hole? Or is just painting the inside of the glass look ok? The present window is a slider, so can the glass be replaced with a single pane? A lot of questions I know, but who better to ask than the sages of the GMC net.
PeterG
Calgary Alberta
'73 - 23' (once a painted desert)
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Steve Ferguson and Armand Minnie did this before I did, but what I did was to clean and paint the inside of the glass (black Krylon Fusion), and leave it in. Then I insulated it thoroughly and covered up the inside. It is virtually nu-noticeable from the outside and un-thought about on the inside.
Steve and Armand used 'Limo Tint' on their windows and it is indistinguishable from their other windows.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/counter-top-etc/p40848-outside-of-covered-win.html
The other suggestions are good too. Whatever you do, it will work best to leave a window frame in there. Jim Bounds is working on a project where the side windows are being eliminated on the coach. They accomplished this by removing the aluminum skin on the sides of the coach and replacing it with a solid aluminum sheet. Jim says that is the 'only way' to do this seamlessly.
Take Rob up on his offer to swap a fixed window for the openable window as well. You don't want to take a chance of introducing moisture into that area.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Kitchen Window Removal [message #208208 is a reply to message #208079] |
Sat, 18 May 2013 20:55 |
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Isn't the Kitchen window for a 1973 23 foot side bath the one "odd ball" sized window?
This is the one just aft the door, and IIRC it is between the "bedroom" and "door" windows in size. The kitchen window in a 26 foot coach is the same size as the door window.
I would not try to remove the window to replace with sheet of aluminum.. unless you want to re-skin your coach. I have never seen this work out well without a re-skin. I also wouldn't cover up a window with ensuring the window is completely sealed.... hard to to with a window that opens.
BUT being a 1973, the window frame can be dissembled and a single pane window installed... if you can find one that fits.
I know, it sounds like "It'll never work... I just know it! It'll never work!" but I am just pointing out some issues you should think of BEFORE starting.
| Robert Mueller wrote on Fri, 17 May 2013 13:19 |
If the window you want to remove is cut horizontally and the bottom slides upwards I would be happy to provide you with one that is solid and throw in some cash as well.
I reckon the easiest thing to do is just swap windows and paint the non sliding window the same color as your coach. Probably would look best if you left the frame black.
-----Original Message-----
I am considering removing the kitchen window in my 23' side bath. Has anybody done this? What sort of panel can be used to fill the hole? Or is just painting the inside of the glass look ok? The present window is a slider, so can the glass be replaced with a single pane? A lot of questions I know, but who better to ask than the sages of the GMC net.
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Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
(#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
More Sidekicks than GMC's and a late model Malibu called 'Boo'
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| Re: [GMCnet] Kitchen Window Removal [message #208252 is a reply to message #208067] |
Sun, 19 May 2013 08:11 |
Steven Ferguson
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When I rebopped the interior of my EII, I paneled over the kit window.
Before doing that, I limo tinted the glass, then installed an insulation
between the glass and the FRP panel I used on the walls. Came out very
nice and added, rather than subtracted from the appearance. Looking at the
outside, you could not tell that what was behind the window. That window
was a real PITA in it's original configuration. Always helped heat up the
kitchen area on sunny days, difficult to clean etc.
Here's a couple of pix, you decide:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/gmc-interior/p19321.html
Steve
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Peter Garry <petergarry@me.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am considering removing the kitchen window in my 23' side bath. Has
> anybody done this? What sort of panel can be used to fill the hole? Or is
> just painting the inside of the glass look ok? The present window is a
> slider, so can the glass be replaced with a single pane? A lot of questions
> I know, but who better to ask than the sages of the GMC net.
>
> PeterG
> Calgary Alberta
> '73 - 23' (once a painted desert)
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| Re: [GMCnet] Kitchen Window Removal [message #208256 is a reply to message #208252] |
Sun, 19 May 2013 08:27 |
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wow what a great rig you have said the big bad wolf to little red riding hood.
That looks good with the window done like that and insulates well as well.
You have done a lot of work on that one, really looks great, lots of good ideas thanks for the pictures.
mickey :-)
anaheim ca. 77palm beach
It is surprising what some of you all have done, Inspiring!
On May 19, 2013, at 6:11 AM, Steven Ferguson wrote:
> When I rebopped the interior of my EII, I paneled over the kit window.
> Before doing that, I limo tinted the glass, then installed an insulation
> between the glass and the FRP panel I used on the walls. Came out very
> nice and added, rather than subtracted from the appearance. Looking at the
> outside, you could not tell that what was behind the window. That window
> was a real PITA in it's original configuration. Always helped heat up the
> kitchen area on sunny days, difficult to clean etc.
> Here's a couple of pix, you decide:
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/gmc-interior/p19321.html
> Steve
>
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Peter Garry <petergarry@me.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am considering removing the kitchen window in my 23' side bath. Has
>> anybody done this? What sort of panel can be used to fill the hole? Or is
>> just painting the inside of the glass look ok? The present window is a
>> slider, so can the glass be replaced with a single pane? A lot of questions
>> I know, but who better to ask than the sages of the GMC net.
>>
>> PeterG
>> Calgary Alberta
>> '73 - 23' (once a painted desert)
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| Re: [GMCnet] Kitchen dish washer Van Dyke [message #233532 is a reply to message #233530] |
Fri, 20 December 2013 07:36 |
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Mickey,
Be careful, subsequent research into this subject turned up something that may be overlooked; these counter top dishwashers are
limited in the diameter of dishes they can wash. All the ones I found could wash dishes that were 10 inches OD max.
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mickey Space Ship Shuttle
Your right Rob, it takes less water in this thing than doing them by hand. I be looking hard at this thing. I hate washing dishes
but i am trying to stop eating which helps with the dishes as well. this one looks best, only about 5;8 amps or 700 watts.
SPT Countertop Dishwasher in White with 6 wash cycles
http://www.homedepot.com/p/SPT-Countertop-Dishwasher-in-White-with-6-wash-cycles-SD-2201W/202677504?MERCH=REC-_-SearchPLPHorizontal1
-1-_-NA-_-202677504-_-N#
On May 17, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Rob Mueller wrote:
> Mickey,
>
> Just go to eBay and search for "Counter top dishwasher" and a number of them will pop up. They're quite inexpensive and actually
> water efficient. You'll note that they take about 12 quarts of water to was four piece place settings. Therefore a couple in a GMC
> could wipe down dishes used with a damp cloth for two days and then wash them. I'll bet dollars to donuts 12 quarts will be a lot
> less than if you washed and rinsed them by hand!
>
> There are ones made for RV's and yachts that use less water (8 quarts IIRC) but the price reflects that they are for RV's and
> yachts!
>
> You ask how come I am so well versed in this subject - I'll give you two guesses!
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Kitchen dish washer Van Dyke [message #233537 is a reply to message #233532] |
Fri, 20 December 2013 11:05 |
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right rob. I saw that in some of the messages from others that used it. Most are impressed with it. The gray water tank or lack of one
is what worries me about washing dishes but as you have stated before, it uses less water than hand wash at 3.5 gallons. It seems
to reuse the water a little. A 40 gallon black water and gray water tank like i have, It would be only a few days with shower and dishes
that 40 gallons would be used. THis means that having an extra drain to a bucket like Dan has for the shower while camping
would be a good design. Either that or let the dish washer drain not into the sink but into a 5 gallon plastic bottle on the floor to keep
the black tank empty as possible. It attaches to the sink water faucet and a hose is suppose to go to the sink drain. If you put this hose
into a bottle on the floor this would make a better source to keep the black tank empty as possible for as long as possible.
Mickey anaheim ca. 77 palm beach. I wonder what Mr. Van Dyke did for a gray water tank with a dish washer and clothes washer?
On Dec 20, 2013, at 5:36 AM, Robert Mueller wrote:
> Mickey,
>
> Be careful, subsequent research into this subject turned up something that may be overlooked; these counter top dishwashers are
> limited in the diameter of dishes they can wash. All the ones I found could wash dishes that were 10 inches OD max.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mickey Space Ship Shuttle
>
> Your right Rob, it takes less water in this thing than doing them by hand. I be looking hard at this thing. I hate washing dishes
>
> but i am trying to stop eating which helps with the dishes as well. this one looks best, only about 5;8 amps or 700 watts.
>
> SPT Countertop Dishwasher in White with 6 wash cycles
>
> http://www.homedepot.com/p/SPT-Countertop-Dishwasher-in-White-with-6-wash-cycles-SD-2201W/202677504?MERCH=REC-_-SearchPLPHorizontal1
> -1-_-NA-_-202677504-_-N#
>
>
> On May 17, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Rob Mueller wrote:
>
>> Mickey,
>>
>> Just go to eBay and search for "Counter top dishwasher" and a number of them will pop up. They're quite inexpensive and actually
>> water efficient. You'll note that they take about 12 quarts of water to was four piece place settings. Therefore a couple in a GMC
>> could wipe down dishes used with a damp cloth for two days and then wash them. I'll bet dollars to donuts 12 quarts will be a lot
>> less than if you washed and rinsed them by hand!
>>
>> There are ones made for RV's and yachts that use less water (8 quarts IIRC) but the price reflects that they are for RV's and
>> yachts!
>>
>> You ask how come I am so well versed in this subject - I'll give you two guesses!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob M.
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Kitchen dish washer Van Dyke [message #233557 is a reply to message #233537] |
Fri, 20 December 2013 17:55 |
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Mickey,
I don't think these small, cheap counter top dishwashers reuse the water (I haven't re-checked the specs) like the hi-end Bosch
dishwashers do. They save the final rinse water and use it for the next pre-wash cycle.
As far as water consumption goes I think you're a bit high, IIRC Dan and Teri can go for two weeks on one tank of water when
boondocking.
Maybe Dan can share their secrets.
OK, I'll beat everybody else to the punch and note; "maybe they shower together!" ;-)
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mickey Space Ship Shuttle
right rob. I saw that in some of the messages from others that used it. Most are impressed with it. The gray water tank or lack of
one
is what worries me about washing dishes but as you have stated before, it uses less water than hand wash at 3.5 gallons. It seems
to reuse the water a little. A 40 gallon black water and gray water tank like i have, It would be only a few days with shower and
dishes
that 40 gallons would be used. THis means that having an extra drain to a bucket like Dan has for the shower while camping
would be a good design. Either that or let the dish washer drain not into the sink but into a 5 gallon plastic bottle on the floor
to keep
the black tank empty as possible. It attaches to the sink water faucet and a hose is suppose to go to the sink drain. If you put
this hose
into a bottle on the floor this would make a better source to keep the black tank empty as possible for as long as possible.
Mickey anaheim ca. 77 palm beach. I wonder what Mr. Van Dyke did for a gray water tank with a dish washer and clothes washer?
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| Re: [GMCnet] Kitchen dish washer Van Dyke [message #233566 is a reply to message #233532] |
Fri, 20 December 2013 19:52 |
Steve Jess
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I've been mulling over dishwasher options for a while. One thing I've determined: the six place setting models, like the one in the Home Depot link below, will fit exactly into the space used by the two drawers right above the where the "buzz box" lives in most models. The four place setting models are actually wider and will not fit.
The various models you will find are basically "badge engineered" from the same two or three items, just like some other appliances.
Steve Jess - Aguanga, CA
1977 GMC Palm Beach "The DreamLiner"The 10,000 pound antique Home Theater with plumbing
> From: robmueller@iinet.net.au
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 00:36:36 +1100
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Kitchen dish washer Van Dyke
>
> Mickey,
>
> Be careful, subsequent research into this subject turned up something that may be overlooked; these counter top dishwashers are
> limited in the diameter of dishes they can wash. All the ones I found could wash dishes that were 10 inches OD max.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mickey Space Ship Shuttle
>
> Your right Rob, it takes less water in this thing than doing them by hand. I be looking hard at this thing. I hate washing dishes
>
> but i am trying to stop eating which helps with the dishes as well. this one looks best, only about 5;8 amps or 700 watts.
>
> SPT Countertop Dishwasher in White with 6 wash cycles
>
> http://www.homedepot.com/p/SPT-Countertop-Dishwasher-in-White-with-6-wash-cycles-SD-2201W/202677504?MERCH=REC-_-SearchPLPHorizontal1
> -1-_-NA-_-202677504-_-N#
>
>
> On May 17, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Rob Mueller wrote:
>
> > Mickey,
> >
> > Just go to eBay and search for "Counter top dishwasher" and a number of them will pop up. They're quite inexpensive and actually
> > water efficient. You'll note that they take about 12 quarts of water to was four piece place settings. Therefore a couple in a GMC
> > could wipe down dishes used with a damp cloth for two days and then wash them. I'll bet dollars to donuts 12 quarts will be a lot
> > less than if you washed and rinsed them by hand!
> >
> > There are ones made for RV's and yachts that use less water (8 quarts IIRC) but the price reflects that they are for RV's and
> > yachts!
> >
> > You ask how come I am so well versed in this subject - I'll give you two guesses!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rob M.
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Kitchen dish washer Van Dyke [message #233601 is a reply to message #233566] |
Sat, 21 December 2013 10:51 |
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You need one of those big bags of chinette plates, bowls and dishes and a bag of genuine plastic chrome utinsils for Christmas. Heck, I'll do the dishes with those! When you are out loving your coach, there's no time to deal with silverwear!
Thats what I do...
Jim Bounds
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On Friday, December 20, 2013 8:52 PM, Steve Jess <stevejess@msn.com> wrote:
I've been mulling over dishwasher options for a while. One thing I've determined: the six place setting models, like the one in the Home Depot link below, will fit exactly into the space used by the two drawers right above the where the "buzz box" lives in most models. The four place setting models are actually wider and will not fit.
The various models you will find are basically "badge engineered" from the same two or three items, just like some other appliances.
Steve Jess - Aguanga, CA
1977 GMC Palm Beach "The DreamLiner"The 10,000 pound antique Home Theater with plumbing
> From: robmueller@iinet.net.au
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 00:36:36 +1100
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Kitchen dish washer Van Dyke
>
> Mickey,
>
> Be careful, subsequent research into this subject turned up something that may be overlooked; these counter top dishwashers are
> limited in the diameter of dishes they can wash. All the ones I found could wash dishes that were 10 inches OD max.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mickey Space Ship Shuttle
>
> Your right Rob, it takes less water in this thing than doing them by hand. I be looking hard at this thing. I hate washing dishes
>
> but i am trying to stop eating which helps with the dishes as well. this one looks best, only about 5;8 amps or 700 watts.
>
> SPT Countertop Dishwasher in White with 6 wash cycles
>
> http://www.homedepot.com/p/SPT-Countertop-Dishwasher-in-White-with-6-wash-cycles-SD-2201W/202677504?MERCH=REC-_-SearchPLPHorizontal1
> -1-_-NA-_-202677504-_-N#
>
>
> On May 17, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Rob Mueller wrote:
>
> > Mickey,
> >
> > Just go to eBay and search for "Counter top dishwasher" and a number of them will pop up. They're quite inexpensive and actually
> > water efficient. You'll note that they take about 12 quarts of water to was four piece place settings. Therefore a couple in a GMC
> > could wipe down dishes used with a damp cloth for two days and then wash them. I'll bet dollars to donuts 12 quarts will be a lot
> > less than if you washed and rinsed them by hand!
> >
> > There are ones made for RV's and yachts that use less water (8 quarts IIRC) but the price reflects that they are for RV's and
> > yachts!
> >
> > You ask how come I am so well versed in this subject - I'll give you two guesses!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rob M.
>
>
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