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Going through "Olga" and redoing the kitchen I am wondering : do I really need 3 vents from the black tank ?
Would make my life easier to omit the one at the kitchen


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Re: [GMCnet] do I really need 3 vents [message #207438 is a reply to message #207437] Sun, 12 May 2013 05:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Why do you want to eliminate that one?

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On May 12, 2013, at 3:24 AM, lenze middelberg <lenze@middelberg.dk> wrote:

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> Going through "Olga" and redoing the kitchen I am wondering : do I really need 3 vents from the black tank ?
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Re: [GMCnet] do I really need 3 vents [message #207442 is a reply to message #207438] Sun, 12 May 2013 07:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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How about using a ventless adapter, available at home depot...about twenty
bucks...it will allow air to enter the piping to prevent gurgling and
possibly draining the trap, while preventing the smells from entering the
coach.

adapter
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> Why do you want to eliminate that one?
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> On May 12, 2013, at 3:24 AM, lenze middelberg <lenze@middelberg.dk> wrote:
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> > Going through "Olga" and redoing the kitchen I am wondering : do I
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Re: do I really need 3 vents [message #207443 is a reply to message #207437] Sun, 12 May 2013 07:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You want to keep that vent in the kitchen because it's not a black tank vent, it's a 'siphon breaker' for the kitchen sink drain plumbing.

If you don't vent the drain plumbing what happens is when you let the water out of the sink it creates a siphon action and when the sink empties the p-trap will empty also. An empty p-trap would then let sewer gasses come back up the sink drain and cause a bad smell in the coach. The siphon action that is created in the p-trap is just like hpw a toilet works, only a toilet is refilled with water to keep it's trap full.

http://www.ehow.com/about_4673213_plumbing-vents.html


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Re: do I really need 3 vents [message #207444 is a reply to message #207437] Sun, 12 May 2013 07:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You've always got to have "Air behind Water" or things won't drain properly or even drain at all. You could combine the vents INSIDE the coach and have fewer holes in the roof but you have to vent every drain. My house has lots of plumbing but due to some careful planning and good advice by my plumbing inspector, I only have two vents going through the roof.

Some of the ventless adapters could be used.


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Re: do I really need 3 vents [message #207463 is a reply to message #207444] Sun, 12 May 2013 10:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks for all the sensible answers I will let it in. The reason I'd rather be without is that the Y connection is missing and ofcourse it is difficult to find the right (inch) stuff overhere

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Re: [GMCnet] do I really need 3 vents [message #207468 is a reply to message #207463] Sun, 12 May 2013 10:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You can eliminate some of the parts with rubber couplers. Are they available where ou are?

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3276-kitchen-sink-drain-to-holding-tank.html

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Re: [GMCnet] do I really need 3 vents [message #207472 is a reply to message #207444] Sun, 12 May 2013 11:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi

You could use a HepvO waterless trap and get rid of the kitchen vent, it might work for the shower and bathroom sink as well. It
looks like freezing would not be a problem.

http://www.hepvo.com/
http://www.vintagetrailersupply.com/HepvO_Waterless_Trap_p/vts-017.htm
http://www.dyersonline.com/hepvo-1-1-2-waterless-trap.html


> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] do I really need 3 vents
>
> You've always got to have "Air behind Water" or things won't drain properly or even drain at all. You could combine the vents
INSIDE the coach and have fewer holes in the roof but you have to vent every drain. My house has lots of plumbing but due to some
careful planning and good advice by my plumbing inspector, I only have two vents going through the roof.
>
> Some of the ventless adapters could be used.
> --
> Kerry Pinkerton
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Re: [GMCnet] do I really need 3 vents [message #207476 is a reply to message #207468] Sun, 12 May 2013 12:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes I will have to look into that. hoses should be possible

Appie
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Re: [GMCnet] do I really need 3 vents [message #207561 is a reply to message #207476] Mon, 13 May 2013 11:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Speaking of vents, all three of mine are completely deteriorated and need to be replaced (vent caps). Anyone have a source for these. I looked at campersworld.com but I'm not sure they will fit properly.

Jon



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Re: [GMCnet] do I really need 3 vents [message #207564 is a reply to message #207561] Mon, 13 May 2013 11:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jon,
The vent caps are available at most RV stores. I know that my local RV dealer has the replacement cap that fit. You need to check our your local RV dealers parts.

JR Wright
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> Speaking of vents, all three of mine are completely deteriorated and need to be replaced (vent caps). Anyone have a source for these. I looked at campersworld.com but I'm not sure they will fit properly.
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> Jon
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Re: [GMCnet] do I really need 3 vents [message #207566 is a reply to message #207561] Mon, 13 May 2013 11:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jon Payne wrote on Mon, 13 May 2013 11:31

Speaking of vents, all three of mine are completely deteriorated and need to be replaced (vent caps). Anyone have a source for these. I looked at campersworld.com but I'm not sure they will fit properly.

Jon




Jon

Danco makes both metal and plastic vent caps.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/DANCO-Plastic-Mobile-Home-Plumbing-Vent-Cap-88181X/100585822

Dennis


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Re: do I really need 3 vents [message #207577 is a reply to message #207444] Mon, 13 May 2013 12:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kerry Pinkerton wrote on Sun, 12 May 2013 07:36

You've always got to have "Air behind Water" or things won't drain properly or even drain at all. You could combine the vents INSIDE the coach and have fewer holes in the roof but you have to vent every drain. My house has lots of plumbing but due to some careful planning and good advice by my plumbing inspector, I only have two vents going through the roof.

Some of the ventless adapters could be used.
Any "guidance" on how far the drain can be from the vent? My hall bathroom sink drain is about 5 feet from the vent. The kitchen is 25 feet from the bathroom and the sink has its own vent. The washing machine is about 5 feet from the kitchen sink and appears to share the kitchen sink vent. Everything works fine, so obviously 5 feet is not a problem. But how much is too much?
Re: do I really need 3 vents [message #207579 is a reply to message #207577] Mon, 13 May 2013 12:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No vents at all in Danish houses ?

Appie eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold 6 wheel discbrake Quadrabags Springfield stage 2 462 olds Manny tranny ( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html Fulltiming in Europe july 2014 til july 2016 Denmark
Re: [GMCnet] do I really need 3 vents [message #207583 is a reply to message #207566] Mon, 13 May 2013 13:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi

You could use a HepvO waterless trap and get rid of the kitchen vent, it might work for the shower and bathroom sink as well. It
looks like freezing would not be a problem.

http://www.hepvo.com/
http://www.vintagetrailersupply.com/HepvO_Waterless_Trap_p/vts-017.htm
http://www.dyersonline.com/hepvo-1-1-2-waterless-trap.html

Dave Mumert


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> Jon Payne wrote on Mon, 13 May 2013 11:31
> > Speaking of vents, all three of mine are completely deteriorated and need to be replaced (vent caps). Anyone have a source for
> these. I looked at campersworld.com but I'm not sure they will fit properly.
> >
> > Jon
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Re: [GMCnet] do I really need 3 vents [message #207587 is a reply to message #207566] Mon, 13 May 2013 14:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Perfect! Thanks Dennis!

Jon


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Re: do I really need 3 vents [message #207588 is a reply to message #207437] Mon, 13 May 2013 14:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I won't get this quite right, but in a combination vent (waste and vent combined in the same pipe), the highest part of the pipe where it joins an air only vent line has to be above the lowest part of the pipe where it meets the trap. So, with a traditional 1/4" per foot slope, and a 1-1/2" combined vent, it would have to be located less than 6' away from where the nearest air only vent pipe meets it.

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Re: do I really need 3 vents [message #207600 is a reply to message #207588] Mon, 13 May 2013 15:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Craig Lechowicz wrote on Mon, 13 May 2013 14:32

I won't get this quite right, but in a combination vent (waste and vent combined in the same pipe), the highest part of the pipe where it joins an air only vent line has to be above the lowest part of the pipe where it meets the trap. So, with a traditional 1/4" per foot slope, and a 1-1/2" combined vent, it would have to be located less than 6' away from where the nearest air only vent pipe meets it.
Thanks. It is always good to know the "rules".
Re: [GMCnet] do I really need 3 vents [message #207689 is a reply to message #207561] Tue, 14 May 2013 10:59 Go to previous message
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Jon,

How about one of these:

http://www.adventurerv.net/ultra-fab-mini-solar-plumbing-vent-p-22616.html

I've got one for Double Trouble and one for The Blue Streak.

Regards,
Rob M.


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From: Jon Payne

Speaking of vents, all three of mine are completely deteriorated and need to be replaced (vent caps). Anyone have a source for
these. I looked at campersworld.com but I'm not sure they will fit properly.

Jon

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