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I am getting ready to install my FireFight engine bay fire suppression with remote head, where is the best place to install the head and bottle, and why?
Sean and Stephanie
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| Re: [GMCnet] Automatic Fire Suppression location [message #207307 is a reply to message #207306] |
Fri, 10 May 2013 08:34  |
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ask jimB, they are his
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On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Sean Kidd <fiatkidd@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> I am getting ready to install my FireFight engine bay fire suppression
> with remote head, where is the best place to install the head and bottle,
> and why?
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| Re: Automatic Fire Suppression location [message #207327 is a reply to message #207306] |
Fri, 10 May 2013 12:01 |
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| SeanKidd wrote on Fri, 10 May 2013 06:29 |
I am getting ready to install my FireFight engine bay fire suppression with remote head, where is the best place to install the head and bottle, and why?
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We have a '74 and I put the bottle under the couch, right next to the step and driver's seat. Because of the compressor for the suspension and my remote air cleaner the side of the radiator was not handy. The nozzle or what ever call it is on the left hung to the edge of the hatch lip. It is about 1/3 of the way forward. I was told that the trans side is the best side to locate the sprayer.
Turn it on slowly and back off the second you hear any flow. I had a tiny leak in the nozzle unit assembly. JimB walked me through getting that tightened properly.
'74 Eleganza, SE, Howell + EBL
Best Wishes,
George
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| Re: [GMCnet] Automatic Fire Suppression location [message #207373 is a reply to message #207306] |
Sat, 11 May 2013 07:07 |
Steven Ferguson
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I just finished that installation on my SOB. That head puts out a 10'
diameter blanket when the AFF deploys so I don't think a non-centered
installation makes much of a difference.
Steve F.
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Sean Kidd <fiatkidd@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> I am getting ready to install my FireFight engine bay fire suppression
> with remote head, where is the best place to install the head and bottle,
> and why?
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> --
> 73 Ex-CanyonLands 26' #317 "Oliver"
> Hubler 1-Ton, Quadra Bags, Rear Disc, Reaction Arms,
> Fluorescent Mineral Capital of the World, New Jersey
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| Re: [GMCnet] Automatic Fire Suppression location [message #207384 is a reply to message #207373] |
Sat, 11 May 2013 10:44 |
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We are a distributor of the system that Jim B sells.
Jim tell us to install close to the transmission as some of the fire starts
around the transmission vent,
I have had several people call after the fact and it is toooo late to do.
Which reminds me, I do not have one installed either, but I carry 2-3 Halon
large bottles. One inside and another outside.
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 5:07 AM, Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com>wrote:
> I just finished that installation on my SOB. That head puts out a 10'
> diameter blanket when the AFF deploys so I don't think a non-centered
> installation makes much of a difference.
> Steve F.
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> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Sean Kidd <fiatkidd@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> >
> >
> > I am getting ready to install my FireFight engine bay fire suppression
> > with remote head, where is the best place to install the head and bottle,
> > and why?
> >
> >
> > --
> > 73 Ex-CanyonLands 26' #317 "Oliver"
> > Hubler 1-Ton, Quadra Bags, Rear Disc, Reaction Arms,
> > Fluorescent Mineral Capital of the World, New Jersey
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| Re: [GMCnet] Automatic Fire Suppression location [message #207386 is a reply to message #207384] |
Sat, 11 May 2013 11:01 |
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I have a large Halon bottle with a 90 degree angled head mounted on the
firewall on the passenger side of the coach. The nozzle points forward
towards the carb. With the amount of halon present in the bottle, it should
flood the entire engine compartment. I agree that I have seen several
underhood fires that started when the transmission was overfilled and
vented onto the headers on the drivers side of the engine compartment, but
there is no room on that side to mount the bottle. Be fire safe out there.
Prevention is where it's at. Keep the fuel lines and filler hoses in top
shape. Investigate any gasoline odors, and fix the cause. If the
transmission cooler lines have any wet fluid on them, find out why and fix
the cause. Same goes for the propane refrigerator compartment. Clean the
area, and don"t store stuff in there. The bottle that Jim B sells for the
refrigerator compartment can easily be installed by first attaching the
bottle to a piece of metal that can be stood up with the bottle attached to
the side of the refer where the burner is located. Halon is heavier than
air, so the nozzle needs to be above the burner. The piece of metal can be
screwed to the wall so it doesn't move, but can still be removed to service
the bottle. Same for the generator compartment. Just my take on what can be
a real hazard to navigation. Be safe out there and drive those coaches,
don't wax em and park em.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Jim Kanomata <jimkanomata@gmail.com> wrote:
> We are a distributor of the system that Jim B sells.
> Jim tell us to install close to the transmission as some of the fire starts
> around the transmission vent,
> I have had several people call after the fact and it is toooo late to do.
> Which reminds me, I do not have one installed either, but I carry 2-3 Halon
> large bottles. One inside and another outside.
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 5:07 AM, Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I just finished that installation on my SOB. That head puts out a 10'
> > diameter blanket when the AFF deploys so I don't think a non-centered
> > installation makes much of a difference.
> > Steve F.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Sean Kidd <fiatkidd@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am getting ready to install my FireFight engine bay fire suppression
> > > with remote head, where is the best place to install the head and
> bottle,
> > > and why?
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > 73 Ex-CanyonLands 26' #317 "Oliver"
> > > Hubler 1-Ton, Quadra Bags, Rear Disc, Reaction Arms,
> > > Fluorescent Mineral Capital of the World, New Jersey
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> > Steve
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| Re: [GMCnet] Automatic Fire Suppression location [message #207392 is a reply to message #207386] |
Sat, 11 May 2013 11:37 |
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Jim,
I bought a couple of BIG Halon extinguishers off eBay awhile back for twice nothing. Now all I have to do is mount and plumb them.
Re prevention - just point people at this document we all put together:
http://www.gmceast.com/technical/Mueller_GMCer-Fire-Guide.pdf
If anybody has anything to add just let me know and I'll ask Byron to update it.
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: James Hupy
I have a large Halon bottle with a 90 degree angled head mounted on the
firewall on the passenger side of the coach. The nozzle points forward
towards the carb. With the amount of halon present in the bottle, it should
flood the entire engine compartment. I agree that I have seen several
underhood fires that started when the transmission was overfilled and
vented onto the headers on the drivers side of the engine compartment, but
there is no room on that side to mount the bottle. Be fire safe out there.
Prevention is where it's at. Keep the fuel lines and filler hoses in top
shape. Investigate any gasoline odors, and fix the cause. If the
transmission cooler lines have any wet fluid on them, find out why and fix
the cause. Same goes for the propane refrigerator compartment. Clean the
area, and don"t store stuff in there. The bottle that Jim B sells for the
refrigerator compartment can easily be installed by first attaching the
bottle to a piece of metal that can be stood up with the bottle attached to
the side of the refer where the burner is located. Halon is heavier than
air, so the nozzle needs to be above the burner. The piece of metal can be
screwed to the wall so it doesn't move, but can still be removed to service
the bottle. Same for the generator compartment. Just my take on what can be
a real hazard to navigation. Be safe out there and drive those coaches,
don't wax em and park em.
Jim
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| Re: [GMCnet] Automatic Fire Suppression location [message #207397 is a reply to message #207392] |
Sat, 11 May 2013 13:55 |
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What a fantabulous document - that is a good thing!
what is the easiest way to do this?
Block the crossover to stop gas from boiling out of the carburetor upon shutdown since this has been known to cause a fire.
where is this crossover and the cheapest way to do it, any info would be appreciated thank you Mickey Anaheim ca. 77 palm beach,
P.S. where can i get metal fuel lines for all around the motor and a list of them?
Thanks to anyone private of net emails are ok with me please. M.
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> On May 8, 2013, at 3:02 AM, Laura Kenny wrote:
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>> To whom it may concern,
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>> Myself and 5 of my friends will be landing at LAX on the 30th of may at approx 3 o clock. I was wondering if I would be able to reserve a shuttle bus to bring us to Huntington Beach area. If so how much would the fare be? Please if you can get in touch with any information it would be much appreciated.
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>> Regards
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>> Laura Kenny
On May 11, 2013, at 9:37 AM, Rob Mueller wrote:
> Jim,
>
> I bought a couple of BIG Halon extinguishers off eBay awhile back for twice nothing. Now all I have to do is mount and plumb them.
>
> Re prevention - just point people at this document we all put together:
>
> http://www.gmceast.com/technical/Mueller_GMCer-Fire-Guide.pdf
>
> If anybody has anything to add just let me know and I'll ask Byron to update it.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Hupy
>
>
> I have a large Halon bottle with a 90 degree angled head mounted on the
> firewall on the passenger side of the coach. The nozzle points forward
> towards the carb. With the amount of halon present in the bottle, it should
> flood the entire engine compartment. I agree that I have seen several
> underhood fires that started when the transmission was overfilled and
> vented onto the headers on the drivers side of the engine compartment, but
> there is no room on that side to mount the bottle. Be fire safe out there.
> Prevention is where it's at. Keep the fuel lines and filler hoses in top
> shape. Investigate any gasoline odors, and fix the cause. If the
> transmission cooler lines have any wet fluid on them, find out why and fix
> the cause. Same goes for the propane refrigerator compartment. Clean the
> area, and don"t store stuff in there. The bottle that Jim B sells for the
> refrigerator compartment can easily be installed by first attaching the
> bottle to a piece of metal that can be stood up with the bottle attached to
> the side of the refer where the burner is located. Halon is heavier than
> air, so the nozzle needs to be above the burner. The piece of metal can be
> screwed to the wall so it doesn't move, but can still be removed to service
> the bottle. Same for the generator compartment. Just my take on what can be
> a real hazard to navigation. Be safe out there and drive those coaches,
> don't wax em and park em.
> Jim
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Automatic Fire Suppression location [message #207414 is a reply to message #207392] |
Sat, 11 May 2013 18:40 |
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Interesting:
http://www.nfpa.org/assets/files/PDF/Foundation%20proceedings/Hammel.pdf
mickey :-)
anaheim ca.
77 palmbeach go oklahoma NBA
On May 11, 2013, at 9:37 AM, Rob Mueller wrote:
> Jim,
>
> I bought a couple of BIG Halon extinguishers off eBay awhile back for twice nothing. Now all I have to do is mount and plumb them.
>
> Re prevention - just point people at this document we all put together:
>
> http://www.gmceast.com/technical/Mueller_GMCer-Fire-Guide.pdf
>
> If anybody has anything to add just let me know and I'll ask Byron to update it.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Hupy
>
>
> I have a large Halon bottle with a 90 degree angled head mounted on the
> firewall on the passenger side of the coach. The nozzle points forward
> towards the carb. With the amount of halon present in the bottle, it should
> flood the entire engine compartment. I agree that I have seen several
> underhood fires that started when the transmission was overfilled and
> vented onto the headers on the drivers side of the engine compartment, but
> there is no room on that side to mount the bottle. Be fire safe out there.
> Prevention is where it's at. Keep the fuel lines and filler hoses in top
> shape. Investigate any gasoline odors, and fix the cause. If the
> transmission cooler lines have any wet fluid on them, find out why and fix
> the cause. Same goes for the propane refrigerator compartment. Clean the
> area, and don"t store stuff in there. The bottle that Jim B sells for the
> refrigerator compartment can easily be installed by first attaching the
> bottle to a piece of metal that can be stood up with the bottle attached to
> the side of the refer where the burner is located. Halon is heavier than
> air, so the nozzle needs to be above the burner. The piece of metal can be
> screwed to the wall so it doesn't move, but can still be removed to service
> the bottle. Same for the generator compartment. Just my take on what can be
> a real hazard to navigation. Be safe out there and drive those coaches,
> don't wax em and park em.
> Jim
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Automatic Fire Suppression location [message #207454 is a reply to message #207414] |
Sun, 12 May 2013 09:29 |
Jim Galbavy
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Mickey,
A couple comments or clarifications on the DuPont report.
There are all types of aqueous foams. AFFFs are used for fighting many types of fires fed by fuels and flammible liquids
(such as hydraulic fluids). ...both on aircraft and other motorized vehicles). And there are numerous types of AFFF (all noncorrosive and non toxic). What is used in Fire Fight's products is a totally "green" product, an advanced AFFF and does work a little (a simplified example) like Dawn dishwashing liquid in that it surrounds the carbon molicules so they can't burn. That's how Dove is able to break down grease (carbon) and you rinse it down the drain. It is totally non corrosive and non toxic. There is also an aqueous foam, put out by SHELL, that used to de-ice aircraft.
As for the "new" DuPont haylon. ......it is only a deluted haylon that has to use more of it to put out the same fire.
Hayon is not a one size fits all product. Great for enclosed spaces like behind the refer and in the generator compartment, but not in the cabin space of a motorhome. Not really in an engine compartment (which is open at the bottom), the fan will blow it out the thru the bottom and it will not cool what it touches, but if it does put out the initial fire you could get a flareup. So AFFF+ is more suited. Oh, and in the author's report he says aqueous foam won't reach "around or under"?
One of Fire Fight's SS-200 with a 90 degree head put out a fire
that was under the engine of a 38 foot rear engine motorhome last year. Saved the coach and was back on the road three months later with $27K damage ($20K of which was labor).
just my 2 cents.
jim galbavy
'73 x-CL ANNIE
Lake Mary, FL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Automatic Fire Suppression location [message #207478 is a reply to message #207454] |
Sun, 12 May 2013 12:55 |
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THank you, I have been thinking that a water spraying device that sprays a mist water field all over the main engine attached
to the water tank and pump to the shower with a turn on valve at the engine step would be good for big engine fires. Duane Simmons
states never spray water on the onan but it could work there as well from the gas pump side of it where the fire would most likely start.
This would be easy to install and the water is on board all the time and cheap to do. It could be a great fire suppressor design.
mickey :-) Anaheim ca. 77 palm beach
On May 12, 2013, at 7:29 AM, Jim Galbavy wrote:
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> Mickey,
>
> A couple comments or clarifications on the DuPont report.
>
> There are all types of aqueous foams. AFFFs are used for fighting many types of fires fed by fuels and flammible liquids
> (such as hydraulic fluids). ...both on aircraft and other motorized vehicles). And there are numerous types of AFFF (all noncorrosive and non toxic). What is used in Fire Fight's products is a totally "green" product, an advanced AFFF and does work a little (a simplified example) like Dawn dishwashing liquid in that it surrounds the carbon molicules so they can't burn. That's how Dove is able to break down grease (carbon) and you rinse it down the drain. It is totally non corrosive and non toxic. There is also an aqueous foam, put out by SHELL, that used to de-ice aircraft.
>
> As for the "new" DuPont haylon. ......it is only a deluted haylon that has to use more of it to put out the same fire.
>
> Hayon is not a one size fits all product. Great for enclosed spaces like behind the refer and in the generator compartment, but not in the cabin space of a motorhome. Not really in an engine compartment (which is open at the bottom), the fan will blow it out the thru the bottom and it will not cool what it touches, but if it does put out the initial fire you could get a flareup. So AFFF+ is more suited. Oh, and in the author's report he says aqueous foam won't reach "around or under"?
> One of Fire Fight's SS-200 with a 90 degree head put out a fire
> that was under the engine of a 38 foot rear engine motorhome last year. Saved the coach and was back on the road three months later with $27 damage ($20 of which was labor).
>
> just my 2 cents.
>
> jim galbavy
> '73 x-CL ANNIE
> Lake Mary, FL
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| Re: Automatic Fire Suppression location [message #207512 is a reply to message #207306] |
Sun, 12 May 2013 22:03 |
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Re putting out a fire that may involve flammable liqi=uids eg gasoline or engine oil.
I;ve carefully watched what happens when the municipal Fire Department shows up to put out a vehicle fire. This is very often in an area where there is no available connection to a fire hydrant.
Without fail, they use the on-board water from the fire truck.
I've asked and been told it is plain water. They use a 2 inch line with a fogger nozzle , open the hood (usually by force) and spay in the water. I've never seen them try to determine if there was liquid fuel involved. When I asked, they told me the fog smothers the fire and cools hot parts. This probably works because the 2 inch hose can put out a LOT of "fog"
DAVE KING
lurker, wannabe
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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