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| [GMCnet] Macerators [message #205566] |
Mon, 22 April 2013 21:25  |
rallymaster
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OK, I give up, why are some campgrounds not allowing macerators???
I was told by someone at the CG that when you use a slinky, the solids
sink in the septic tank, and the liquids flow out into the drainfield.
But when you use the macerator, everything goes into the drainfield,
clogging it up.
However, after you've driven 200 miles or so, all you have is a slurry no
matter how you move it out of your tank.
Any learned comments??
Ron & Linda Clark
1978 Eleganza II
North Plains, ORYGUN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Macerators [message #205570 is a reply to message #205566] |
Mon, 22 April 2013 21:53  |
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I was not present when this event occurred, not TOTALLY SURE that it
actually did, but knowing the group involved, it is possible. During a
local event in the pacific northwest, a competition allegedly occurred
involving mascerators equipped with nozzles on the ends of their discharge
hoses. Target was reported to be a portapotty, which was quite blue as I
understand when the event was over. I can neither confirm nor deny the
validity of the previous statement, but it sounds good. Perhaps the RV Park
has experienced similar happy hour activity and it presented a difficult
cleanup situation. (grin)
Jim and Judy Hupy, now happily married.
Salem, Or
78 Gmc Royale 403
On Apr 22, 2013 7:28 PM, <rallymaster@juno.com> wrote:
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> OK, I give up, why are some campgrounds not allowing macerators???
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> I was told by someone at the CG that when you use a slinky, the solids
> sink in the septic tank, and the liquids flow out into the drainfield.
> But when you use the macerator, everything goes into the drainfield,
> clogging it up.
> However, after you've driven 200 miles or so, all you have is a slurry no
> matter how you move it out of your tank.
>
> Any learned comments??
>
> Ron & Linda Clark
> 1978 Eleganza II
> North Plains, ORYGUN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Macerators [message #205574 is a reply to message #205566] |
Mon, 22 April 2013 22:08 |
GeorgeRud
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Sounds like it may have been a bad idea that really went awry.
However, I have seen drivers that I would have loved to have an aimed macerator outlet that I could remotely activate from the driver's seat! You have to learn to just take things easily and not take anything to seriously or personally.
George Rudawsky
Chicago, IL
75 Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] Macerators [message #205577 is a reply to message #205569] |
Mon, 22 April 2013 22:14 |
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| WD0AFQ wrote on Mon, 22 April 2013 19:53 |
Sounds like a bunch of crap to me. Makes no sense. I have not heard this before. Id find a different campground.
Dan
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 Good one Dan!
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Macerators [message #205593 is a reply to message #205566] |
Tue, 23 April 2013 06:24 |
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Well, septic tanks and disposals don't mix well - that may be the reason.
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
From: "rallymaster@juno.com" <rallymaster@juno.com>
To: Gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:25 PM
Subject: [GMCnet] Macerators
OK, I give up, why are some campgrounds not allowing macerators???
I was told by someone at the CG that when you use a slinky, the solids
sink in the septic tank, and the liquids flow out into the drainfield.
But when you use the macerator, everything goes into the drainfield,
clogging it up.
However, after you've driven 200 miles or so, all you have is a slurry no
matter how you move it out of your tank.
Any learned comments??
Ron & Linda Clark
1978 Eleganza II
North Plains, ORYGUN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Macerators [message #205606 is a reply to message #205566] |
Tue, 23 April 2013 08:15 |
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I'm not going to buy into that. For four years I waited until I returned
home for the final dump and clean out using my macerator. Zero issues with
our septic system. I strongly suggest you do your clean out in the early
or late hours of the day and then stow the macerator hose. No one will
know unless you advertise. I firmly believe that reality is the opposite of
what the park tells you. The macerator treats all waste the same. Dump
slinkeys allow paper through and that is one of the key things that
initiates septic maintenance.
Sounds like the park is full of s**t!
Steve F.
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 7:25 PM, <rallymaster@juno.com> wrote:
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> OK, I give up, why are some campgrounds not allowing macerators???
>
> I was told by someone at the CG that when you use a slinky, the solids
> sink in the septic tank, and the liquids flow out into the drainfield.
> But when you use the macerator, everything goes into the drainfield,
> clogging it up.
> However, after you've driven 200 miles or so, all you have is a slurry no
> matter how you move it out of your tank.
>
> Any learned comments??
>
> Ron & Linda Clark
> 1978 Eleganza II
> North Plains, ORYGUN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Macerators [message #205607 is a reply to message #205593] |
Tue, 23 April 2013 08:17 |
Steven Ferguson
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johnny, that is because nothing is supposed to go into a septic system that
doesn't pass through your digestive tract first. Paper being the only
exception. We never use our disposal for just that reason.
Steve F.
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 4:24 AM, Johnny Bridges <jhbridges@ymail.com> wrote:
> Well, septic tanks and disposals don't mix well - that may be the reason.
>
> --johnny
> '76 23' transmode norris
> '76 palm beach
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> From: "rallymaster@juno.com" <rallymaster@juno.com>
> To: Gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:25 PM
> Subject: [GMCnet] Macerators
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> OK, I give up, why are some campgrounds not allowing macerators???
>
> I was told by someone at the CG that when you use a slinky, the solids
> sink in the septic tank, and the liquids flow out into the drainfield.
> But when you use the macerator, everything goes into the drainfield,
> clogging it up.
> However, after you've driven 200 miles or so, all you have is a slurry no
> matter how you move it out of your tank.
>
> Any learned comments??
>
> Ron & Linda Clark
> 1978 Eleganza II
> North Plains, ORYGUN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Macerators [message #205617 is a reply to message #205566] |
Tue, 23 April 2013 10:25 |
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| rallymaster wrote on Mon, 22 April 2013 19:25 |
OK, I give up, why are some campgrounds not allowing macerators???
I was told by someone at the CG that when you use a slinky, the solids
sink in the septic tank, and the liquids flow out into the drainfield.
But when you use the macerator, everything goes into the drainfield,
clogging it up.
However, after you've driven 200 miles or so, all you have is a slurry no
matter how you move it out of your tank.
Any learned comments??
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I have a hard time believing the explanation by the CG. If the waste is in smaller pieces the bacteria in the septic tank should have an easier time with it. It would take a LOT of flow to pull the slurry through the septic tank to the drain side.
If they are having problems with their septic system the tank is most likely getting full. If anything is causing the solids to build up, it most likely is a poor culture in the septic system.... a likely cause is the bacteria killing chemicals used by many in the RV community. Another cause would be too small a system for the use.
Besides, how many RV's are out there with macerators? Are there enough to cause this? (I doubt it.) I understand the boating community has used macerators for years. Anyone having septic issues there?
Bottom line: It is the CG's property... they can make stupid rules that make no sense... we also do not have to camp and spend money there. 
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
(#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
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http://m000035.blogspot.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] Macerators [message #205619 is a reply to message #205566] |
Tue, 23 April 2013 10:38 |
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Having worked with "black water" issues on the public level (and currently
serving in a similar level of responsibility as a commissioner of a small
city), I can tell you that the issue is, in reality, real.
The campground has no control on the level of functionality and "quality" of
output of the various macerators on the market. That's one issue.
The campground, if on a septic system instead of a sewer system that has a
treatment facility, may have a field problem and/or a tank issue as well as
an issue with the tile/piping used in the system. Saying "no" to the use of
macerators probably helps eliminate problems on their part.
The EPA is also watching over them.
In short, there's not enough information being provided to give a good
answer.
As to traveling 200 miles and having only a sloppy slurry to deal with isn't
accurate, either. Solids may still be present because, in reality, there are
floaters and sinkers. In addition, some of the dependency will be on the
amount of bacteria at work in the holding tank and the type and amount of
chemical thrown in to control odor, etc.
When testing the effectiveness of toilets, Consumer Reports hired a lab to
do the testing. The lab used simulated feces. A certain percent were sinkers
and the remaining were floaters. How many gallons/liters required to take
all of the solids away was how it was scored. Just like golf, the lower
number was the winner.
While this all be about crap, it's real crap that can be difficult to
dismiss without raising a stink somewhere.
Byron Songer
aka Commissioner Songer (in charge of drainage and treatment)
Louisville, KY
rallymaster@juno.com wrote:
> OK, I give up, why are some campgrounds not allowing macerators???
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| Re: [GMCnet] Macerators [message #205627 is a reply to message #205566] |
Tue, 23 April 2013 12:32 |
rallymaster
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I did a bunch of searching on various combinations of macerator and
septic tank and finally found this.
http://tileandbathservice.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Macerating_Toile
t_Study.pdf
Granted, the study was paid for by Saniflo, a toilet macerator company,
but it was performed by a lab.
RonC
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 04:24:47 -0700 (PDT) Johnny Bridges
<jhbridges@ymail.com> writes:
> Well, septic tanks and disposals don't mix well - that may be the
> reason.
>
> --johnny
> '76 23' transmode norris
> '76 palm beach
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> From: "rallymaster@juno.com" <rallymaster@juno.com>
> To: Gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:25 PM
> Subject: [GMCnet] Macerators
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> OK, I give up, why are some campgrounds not allowing macerators???
>
> I was told by someone at the CG that when you use a slinky, the
> solids
> sink in the septic tank, and the liquids flow out into the
> drainfield.
> But when you use the macerator, everything goes into the
> drainfield,
> clogging it up.
> However, after you've driven 200 miles or so, all you have is a
> slurry no
> matter how you move it out of your tank.
>
> Any learned comments??
>
> Ron & Linda Clark
> 1978 Eleganza II
> North Plains, ORYGUN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Macerators [message #205628 is a reply to message #205607] |
Tue, 23 April 2013 12:58 |
jhbridges
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I've made it past 65 on septics, and have yet to put in a disposal because the plumbers all recommended against. Now I figure why.
--johnny
From: Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Macerators
johnny, that is because nothing is supposed to go into a septic system that
doesn't pass through your digestive tract first. Paper being the only
exception. We never use our disposal for just that reason.
Steve F.
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 4:24 AM, Johnny Bridges <jhbridges@ymail.com> wrote:
> Well, septic tanks and disposals don't mix well - that may be the reason.
>
> --johnny
> '76 23' transmode norris
> '76 palm beach
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> From: "rallymaster@juno.com" <rallymaster@juno.com>
> To: Gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:25 PM
> Subject: [GMCnet] Macerators
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> OK, I give up, why are some campgrounds not allowing macerators???
>
> I was told by someone at the CG that when you use a slinky, the solids
> sink in the septic tank, and the liquids flow out into the drainfield.
> But when you use the macerator, everything goes into the drainfield,
> clogging it up.
> However, after you've driven 200 miles or so, all you have is a slurry no
> matter how you move it out of your tank.
>
> Any learned comments??
>
> Ron & Linda Clark
> 1978 Eleganza II
> North Plains, ORYGUN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Macerators [message #205632 is a reply to message #205566] |
Tue, 23 April 2013 13:26 |
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Suspended solids are very small solid particles in a liquid.
"Floaters" are much larger, and can be seen floating just before you
flush.
RonC
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 14:11:57 -0400 Byron Songer
<bsonger@songerconsulting.net> writes:
> They used the big word "suspended solids" instead of my commonly
> understood
> "floaters". That's a paid-for report for you -- bigger words.
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> Byron Songer
> Louisville, KY
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> rallymaster@juno.com wrote:
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> > I did a bunch of searching on various combinations of macerator
> and
> > septic tank and finally found this.
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http://tileandbathservice.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Macerating_Toile
> > t_Study.pdf
> >
> > Granted, the study was paid for by Saniflo, a toilet macerator
> company,
> > but it was performed by a lab.
> >
> > RonC
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| Re: [GMCnet] Macerators [message #205633 is a reply to message #205566] |
Tue, 23 April 2013 13:42 |
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You have just corroborated my "views" on the matter, Rob. Oh, yeah, and I
also see a bunch of bubbles at times.
I use a locally made product called "Always Fresh" and even after a few
months of storage, no bad odors waft out of the toilet, even if you prop
the valve open for a while. And even if you were to use the slinky,
you'd get all liquid. There are several products that work equally well.
My personal opinion is that some of the campgrounds septic systems have
been killed by formaldehyde toilet chemicals, and the solid glop
remaining undigested has moved on into their leach field, ruining it.
They blamed it on macerators, with no actual research into their problem,
and banned them. About that time, the potty chem folks took the hint
from the gov't and state parks, and enviromentalists and came out with
non-poisonous chemicals, and enzyimes and bacterial treatments. Voila,
problem gone, obviously banning the macerators cured the problem.
And, of course, I'm never wrong....just ask me.
RonC
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:27:16 -0500 "Rob Mueller"
<robmueller@iinet.net.au> writes:
> Ron,
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> I have a clear hose on Double Trouble and a Jabsco (two bladed
> chopper) Macerator which I have been using for four years now. I
> have
> yet to see anything other than slurry going out the end of the hose.
> Now and then there's a tiny bit of paper.
>
> The reason I noted (two blade) is because I noted that the new spare
> I carry has a four bladed chopper.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rallymaster@juno.com
>
> I did a bunch of searching on various combinations of macerator and
> septic tank and finally found this.
>
>
http://tileandbathservice.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Macerating_Toile
t_Study.pdf
>
> Granted, the study was paid for by Saniflo, a toilet macerator
> company, but it was performed by a lab.
>
> RonC
>
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