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| [GMCnet] GMC Myth Busters Committee Formed [message #202667] |
Tue, 26 March 2013 16:23  |
Gailen Vick
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With my recent purchase of a GMC 1975 Eleganza II, I have felt very
intimidated by the number of experts, rumors, myths and “upgrades” that are
promoted by owners and Third Party Service Providers (3PSPs) for the GMC
Motorhomes that were built from 1973-1978.
So I have formed a "GMC Myth Busters" Committee to test what is true. If
you want help me in this new endeavor, please join this committee
http://www.reverselogisticstrends.com/company_focuscommittees_index5.php?showlist=true&FC=47,
I would welcome you.
This committee will meet on a monthly basis (via WebEx Video/Conference
Call), and the Charter is;
· To test the validity of rumors, myths and “upgrades” that are
promoted by owners and Third Party Service Providers (3PSPs) for the GMC
Motorhomes.
· This committee will use scientific methods of engineering and
ergonomics testing along with field trials and customer service surveys to
evaluate/determine the validity and claims of the rumors, myths and
“upgrades. All results will be published to all interested parties without
conclusions, just the " bare facts".
· Since the most stated mechanical fatigue area is the Front
Suspension and Steering our first project will be to test the “Installing
the One Ton Front End Version II”
http://machinesoflovinggrace.net/gmc/frontend/ compared to the GMC original
design.
Best regards,
Gailen Vick
1975 Eleganza II
510-364-7631
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Myth Busters Committee Formed [message #202668 is a reply to message #202667] |
Tue, 26 March 2013 16:28  |
James Hupy
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You released this email prematurely. April 1st is at least 5 days from
now.. (grin)
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or.
78 Gmc Royale 403
On Mar 26, 2013 2:23 PM, "Gailen Vick" <gailen@rla.org> wrote:
> With my recent purchase of a GMC 1975 Eleganza II, I have felt very
> intimidated by the number of experts, rumors, myths and “upgrades” that are
> promoted by owners and Third Party Service Providers (3PSPs) for the GMC
> Motorhomes that were built from 1973-1978.
>
>
>
> So I have formed a "GMC Myth Busters" Committee to test what is true. If
> you want help me in this new endeavor, please join this committee
>
>
> http://www.reverselogisticstrends.com/company_focuscommittees_index5.php?showlist=true&FC=47
> ,
> I would welcome you.
>
>
>
> This committee will meet on a monthly basis (via WebEx Video/Conference
> Call), and the Charter is;
>
> · To test the validity of rumors, myths and “upgrades” that are
> promoted by owners and Third Party Service Providers (3PSPs) for the GMC
> Motorhomes.
>
> · This committee will use scientific methods of engineering and
> ergonomics testing along with field trials and customer service surveys to
> evaluate/determine the validity and claims of the rumors, myths and
> “upgrades. All results will be published to all interested parties without
> conclusions, just the " bare facts".
>
> · Since the most stated mechanical fatigue area is the Front
> Suspension and Steering our first project will be to test the “Installing
> the One Ton Front End Version II”
> http://machinesoflovinggrace.net/gmc/frontend/ compared to the GMC
> original
> design.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Gailen Vick
>
> 1975 Eleganza II
>
> 510-364-7631
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Myth Busters Committee Formed [message #202696 is a reply to message #202667] |
Tue, 26 March 2013 21:43 |
Ken Henderson
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Location: Americus, GA
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Gailen,
Welcome aboard. I think we're going to enjoy having you here.
I look forward to the results of your studies, and will probably
participate as soon as I can sign up (I have the 1-Ton installed).
However, with all due respect, I really suspect that the bottom line will
be about as definitive as that you'll obtain from comparing Hershey Bars
with Baby Ruths.
We're a widely diverse group with strongly held opinions; facts and figures
don't necessarily enter into our equations.
Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI+ & EBL
www.gmcwipersetc.com
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Gailen Vick wrote:
> With my recent purchase of a GMC 1975 Eleganza II, I have felt very
> intimidated by the number of experts, rumors, myths and “upgrades” that are
> promoted by owners and Third Party Service Providers (3PSPs) for the GMC
> Motorhomes that were built from 1973-1978.
>
>
>
> So I have formed a "GMC Myth Busters" Committee to test what is true. If
> you want help me in this new endeavor, please join this committee
>
>
> http://www.reverselogisticstrends.com/company_focuscommittees_index5.php?showlist=true&FC=47
> ,
> I would welcome you.
>
>
>
> This committee will meet on a monthly basis (via WebEx Video/Conference
> Call), and the Charter is;
>
> · To test the validity of rumors, myths and “upgrades” that are
> promoted by owners and Third Party Service Providers (3PSPs) for the GMC
> Motorhomes.
>
> · This committee will use scientific methods of engineering and
> ergonomics testing along with field trials and customer service surveys to
> evaluate/determine the validity and claims of the rumors, myths and
> “upgrades. All results will be published to all interested parties without
> conclusions, just the " bare facts".
>
> · Since the most stated mechanical fatigue area is the Front
> Suspension and Steering our first project will be to test the “Installing
> the One Ton Front End Version II”
> http://machinesoflovinggrace.net/gmc/frontend/ compared to the GMC
> original
> design.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Gailen Vick
>
> 1975 Eleganza II
>
> 510-364-7631
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76 X-Birchaven
76 X-Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Myth Busters Committee Formed [message #202718 is a reply to message #202696] |
Wed, 27 March 2013 11:08 |
Ken Burton
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Sorry to be so negative , but good luck.
One person's "You have to have this" is another person's "Why bother, It is a waste of time, effort, or money".
We all have our biases and opinions. I do not know how you are going to filter those biases and opinions out of your findings. Your output will only be as good as the biases of the contributors / evaluators.
Here are some topics:
Modern web based forum vs. email
Synthetic oil vs. Dino oil
3000 mile oil changes
Oil brands and weight
ZDDP content of oil
Mobil One grease vs. Synpower
Tires, tires, tires.
Tire replacement interval
Jumpering out the neutral safety switch
Rear disk brakes.
Everyone needs to install a combiner
2 bag vs. 4 bag rear suspension
Reaction arm rear braking vs. stock
Replacing a good intake iron manifold with an aluminum one.
OEM vs one ton front suspension
Recore vs. new aluminum radiator
180 vs. 195 thermostats
OEM Carb vs. Fuel injection
Final drive ratios 403 vs. 455 vs 500 Cad vs. diesel
Steel vs. aluminum wheels
Tire sizes
Magnets in or around the oil filter.
Premium vs. regular fuel
Coach painting
Good luck. I hope you accomplish something good. I'm just not too optimistic.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Myth Busters Committee Formed [message #202742 is a reply to message #202739] |
Wed, 27 March 2013 14:46 |
sgltrac
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You know Bill, only one Chevrolet out of 10 is good enough to become a GMC. ;)
Sully
77 royale
Seattle
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 27, 2013, at 12:34 PM, Bill Bryant <bryant374@earthlink.net> wrote:
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> Good luck with your efforts, that is going to be a tough one. I have a slighty different take on GMC MH myths, not those technical items, but the ficticous or imaginary stories associated with the GMC. I'll give you a couple of examples:
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> 1- A large part of the GMC exterior design was taken from the Airstream
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> 2- The design reason for the narrower front tread.
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> 3- The name "GMC" originally came from Grabowski Motor Co.
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> Probably doesn't mean much to many, but it bugs me when they get repeated as fact :(
> --
> Bill Bryant
> 1976~PB
> 1914 Ford
> 1965 Corvette
> GMC MH History CD
> GMC Showroom Films DVD
> http://bdub.net/billbryant/
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Myth Busters Committee Formed [message #202744 is a reply to message #202742] |
Wed, 27 March 2013 14:50 |
James Hupy
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Come on
On Mar 27, 2013 12:46 PM, "Todd Sullivan" <sgltrac@gmail.com> wrote:
> You know Bill, only one Chevrolet out of 10 is good enough to become a
> GMC. ;)
>
> Sully
> 77 royale
> Seattle
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Mar 27, 2013, at 12:34 PM, Bill Bryant <bryant374@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Good luck with your efforts, that is going to be a tough one. I have a
> slighty different take on GMC MH myths, not those technical items, but the
> ficticous or imaginary stories associated with the GMC. I'll give you a
> couple of examples:
> >
> > 1- A large part of the GMC exterior design was taken from the Airstream
> >
> > 2- The design reason for the narrower front tread.
> >
> > 3- The name "GMC" originally came from Grabowski Motor Co.
> >
> > Probably doesn't mean much to many, but it bugs me when they get
> repeated as fact :(
> > --
> > Bill Bryant
> > 1976~PB
> > 1914 Ford
> > 1965 Corvette
> > GMC MH History CD
> > GMC Showroom Films DVD
> > http://bdub.net/billbryant/
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Myth Busters Committee Formed [message #202745 is a reply to message #202744] |
Wed, 27 March 2013 14:54 |
James Hupy
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Come on, guys. You heard about it from the internet, It has to be true,
right???. There are three kinds of untruths. Lies, Da#@n lies, and
political statements of fact. In that order. (grin)
Jim Hupy
On Mar 27, 2013 12:50 PM, "James Hupy" <jamesh1296@gmail.com> wrote:
> Come on
> On Mar 27, 2013 12:46 PM, "Todd Sullivan" <sgltrac@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You know Bill, only one Chevrolet out of 10 is good enough to become a
>> GMC. ;)
>>
>> Sully
>> 77 royale
>> Seattle
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Mar 27, 2013, at 12:34 PM, Bill Bryant <bryant374@earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Good luck with your efforts, that is going to be a tough one. I have a
>> slighty different take on GMC MH myths, not those technical items, but the
>> ficticous or imaginary stories associated with the GMC. I'll give you a
>> couple of examples:
>> >
>> > 1- A large part of the GMC exterior design was taken from the Airstream
>> >
>> > 2- The design reason for the narrower front tread.
>> >
>> > 3- The name "GMC" originally came from Grabowski Motor Co.
>> >
>> > Probably doesn't mean much to many, but it bugs me when they get
>> repeated as fact :(
>> > --
>> > Bill Bryant
>> > 1976~PB
>> > 1914 Ford
>> > 1965 Corvette
>> > GMC MH History CD
>> > GMC Showroom Films DVD
>> > http://bdub.net/billbryant/
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > GMCnet mailing list
>> > Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>> > http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
>> _______________________________________________
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Myth Busters Committee Formed [message #202750 is a reply to message #202745] |
Wed, 27 March 2013 15:38 |
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Jim,
I thought it was there are lies, damn lies, and statistics. ;-)
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: James Hupy
Come on, guys. You heard about it from the internet, It has to be true,
right???. There are three kinds of untruths. Lies, Da#@n lies, and
political statements of fact. In that order. (grin)
Jim Hupy
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Regards,
Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Myth Busters Committee Formed [message #202755 is a reply to message #202667] |
Wed, 27 March 2013 16:08 |
Francois
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I actually think this is a good idea, but I also think it would be a lot of work. Science is long term and tedious, with a lot of measuring.
It is certainly true that for every motor vehicle sold, there are people without engineering degrees who think they can make them better. I tend to think that the vast majority of the time, they can't improve on the original, but there is a percentage of the time that improvement happens.
Two areas where good arguments for improvement have been made are with headers, for better cooling, and the final drive, for acceleration and mileage. Maybe qualifying also is the 12v JC4 brake vacuum pump, for braking after the engine quits.
I wish this effort well, and hope for some real science in this. Tedious as it might end up being, it will be a benefit to the nice people in their nice GMC motorhomes
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Myth Busters Committee Formed [message #202757 is a reply to message #202667] |
Wed, 27 March 2013 16:30 |
KB
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I suggest you start with Bill Hubler's earlier document since that
outlines some of the reasons why the kit was designed in the first place.
The instructions for installing Manny's Version II kit give only
a very brief summary of the reasoning as an introduction, and are
primarily devoted to the mechanical installation of that kit.
For Bill's presentation, see:
http://www.gmcws.org/Tech/Hubler_1-Ton_Hubs_2007-09.pdf
The original front end was designed for a much lighter vehicle.
If you find anything to refute that fact, that would certainly
be interesting.
Karen
1973 23'
1975 26'
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Myth Busters Committee Formed [message #202769 is a reply to message #202750] |
Wed, 27 March 2013 18:08 |
Mike Teets
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Rob, you are right... Benjamin Disraeli, 1st Earl of Beaconsfield, talking
about politics said the statement you quoted in the 1800's. Particularly
fitting in this discussion of using scientific fact to analyse upgrade
preferences. Seems to me, that one of the worst things to happen to the
GMC would be if there was a single, definitive upgrade list.
List/forum/facebook discussions would die down and there woud just be a
manual in the glovebox.
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>wrote:
> Jim,
>
> I thought it was there are lies, damn lies, and statistics. ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Hupy
>
> Come on, guys. You heard about it from the internet, It has to be true,
> right???. There are three kinds of untruths. Lies, Da#@n lies, and
> political statements of fact. In that order. (grin)
> Jim Hupy
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Myth Busters Committee Formed [message #202784 is a reply to message #202756] |
Wed, 27 March 2013 20:09 |
jhbridges
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I do. Just under 10 barefoot, just under 9 with the Toadstone trailing along behind. i.e. a ten percent mileage penalty. I don't find that untoward.
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
From: Carl Stouffer <carljr3b@yahoo.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMC Myth Busters Committee Formed
How about "you'll get 8 - 10 mpg depending on whether you're towing or not". HA!
--
Carl S.
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
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Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
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I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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