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Bob de Kruyff   United States
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This looks like a carb solution fo a lot of us:http://www.ebay.com/itm/190810276305?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

Bob de Kruyff
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Re: This is a great deal! [message #201834 is a reply to message #201827] Sat, 16 March 2013 17:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This looks like a carb solution fo a lot of us:http://www.ebay.com/itm/190810276305?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649


You will probably get a carburetor for a Chevrolet P-30. There was no such thing as a domestic Chevrolet Motorhome. I understand that some GMC Motorhomes were relabled for the export market.


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Re: This is a great deal! [message #201835 is a reply to message #201834] Sat, 16 March 2013 17:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Needs a check on the casting number. Wrong number equals wrong carb.
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Re: This is a great deal! [message #201849 is a reply to message #201834] Sat, 16 March 2013 19:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bob de Kruyff   United States
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John Sharpe wrote on Sat, 16 March 2013 16:39

Quote:

This looks like a carb solution fo a lot of us:http://www.ebay.com/itm/190810276305?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649


You will probably get a carburetor for a Chevrolet P-30. There was no such thing as a domestic Chevrolet Motorhome. I understand that some GMC Motorhomes were relabled for the export market.

Well you are the first of 2 to fall into my trap and you are not alone. My point in posting this was is what is wrong with the GMCNET and the typical old crows that without any knowledge dismiss issues that the rest of us 8000 GMC owners can benefit from. I purchased one of these and the part number was correct and specific to the GMC only, unlike what you immediately dismissed. I put it on my coach and it performed perfectly--I didn't even need to set the idle adjustment. I consider my coach one of the few un-molested coaches out there since it was restored by GM while I was still there. Then I took it off and my retired GM Rochester Carb engineers and I took it apart. It has every spring and part per the original drawings. If I had left this post up longer you would have had nother 20 nay-sayers who for some reason have the arrogance to dismiss anything that doesn't fit in with your misguided judgement. I recall a few years ago that my good friend and retired Rochester Engineer was blatantly told that he didn't know what he was talking about. He no longer particpates on the GMCNET but I guess the old establishment survives. I wanted to leave this up for another day or so but most of us know who the judgemental old crows are. It's a shame that new and younger people get mis-informed.


Bob de Kruyff
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Re: [GMCnet] This is a great deal! [message #201853 is a reply to message #201849] Sat, 16 March 2013 19:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A bit of explanation would help. I see a carb built much later for a non
olds motor, I didn't say anything, but I wondered why it was posted.

Ron
On Mar 16, 2013 5:08 PM, "Bob de Kruyff" <NEXT2POOL@aol.com> wrote:

>
>
> John Sharpe wrote on Sat, 16 March 2013 16:39
> > Quote:
> > > This looks like a carb solution fo a lot of us:
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/190810276305?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
> >
> >
> > You will probably get a carburetor for a Chevrolet P-30. There was no
> such thing as a domestic Chevrolet Motorhome. I understand that some GMC
> Motorhomes were relabled for the export market.
>
> Well you are the first of 2 to fall into my trap and you are not alone. My
> point in posting this was is what is wrong with the GMCNET and the typical
> old crows that without any knowledge dismiss issues that the rest of us
> 8000 GMC owners can benefit from. I purchased one of these and the part
> number was correct and specific to the GMC only, unlike what you
> immediately dismissed. I put it on my coach and it performed perfectly--I
> didn't even need to set the idle adjustment. I consider my coach one of the
> few un-molested coaches out there since it was restored by GM while I was
> still there. Then I took it off and my retired GM Rochester Carb engineers
> and I took it apart. It has every spring and part per the original
> drawings. If I had left this post up longer you would have had nother 20
> nay-sayers who for some reason have the arrogance to dismiss anything that
> doesn't fit in with your misguided judgement. I recall a few years ago that
> my good friend and retired Rochester Engi
> neer was blatantly told that he didn't know what he was talking about. He
> no longer particpates on the GMCNET but I guess the old establishment
> survives. I wanted to leave this up for another day or so but most of us
> know who the judgemental old crows are. It's a shame that new and younger
> people get mis-informed.
> --
> Bob de Kruyff
> 78 Eleganza
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Re: [GMCnet] This is a great deal! [message #201854 is a reply to message #201853] Sat, 16 March 2013 19:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bob de Kruyff   United States
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""http://www.ebay.com/itm/190810276305?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649""
The description and part number refer directly to a 403 GMC motorhome


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Re: [GMCnet] This is a great deal! [message #201856 is a reply to message #201849] Sat, 16 March 2013 19:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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But Bob... the way it's advertised? "Chevy Motorhome"??

Who wouldn't suspect it of being just another off-the-shelf Q-jet that
has been cleaned up and rebuilt? No way in hell I would expect it to be
a GMC carb unless someone like you told me it was.

You did indeed set a trap but it was kind of unfair.
I almost wrote and suggested that you can't trust these thing - but I
knew I didn't have to. I let another dozen guys do it for me. :^)

Cheers!
Kelvin - still learning from the GMCNet.



On 3/16/2013 5:08 PM, Bob de Kruyff wrote:
>
> John Sharpe wrote on Sat, 16 March 2013 16:39
>> Quote:
>>> This looks like a carb solution fo a lot of us:http://www.ebay.com/itm/190810276305?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
>>
>> You will probably get a carburetor for a Chevrolet P-30. There was no such thing as a domestic Chevrolet Motorhome. I understand that some GMC Motorhomes were relabled for the export market.
> Well you are the first of 2 to fall into my trap and you are not alone. My point in posting this was is what is wrong with the GMCNET and the typical old crows that without any knowledge dismiss issues that the rest of us 8000 GMC owners can benefit from. I purchased one of these and the part number was correct and specific to the GMC only, unlike what you immediately dismissed. I put it on my coach and it performed perfectly--I didn't even need to set the idle adjustment. I consider my coach one of the few un-molested coaches out there since it was restored by GM while I was still there. Then I took it off and my retired GM Rochester Carb engineers and I took it apart. It has every spring and part per the original drawings. If I had left this post up longer you would have had nother 20 nay-sayers who for some reason have the arrogance to dismiss anything that doesn't fit in with your misguided judgement. I recall a few years ago that my good friend and retired Rochester En
gi
> neer was blatantly told that he didn't know what he was talking about. He no longer particpates on the GMCNET but I guess the old establishment survives. I wanted to leave this up for another day or so but most of us know who the judgemental old crows are. It's a shame that new and younger people get mis-informed.


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Re: This is a great deal! [message #201858 is a reply to message #201834] Sat, 16 March 2013 19:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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John Sharpe wrote on Sat, 16 March 2013 15:39

Quote:

This looks like a carb solution fo a lot of us:http://www.ebay.com/itm/190810276305?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649


You will probably get a carburetor for a Chevrolet P-30. There was no such thing as a domestic Chevrolet Motorhome. I understand that some GMC Motorhomes were relabled for the export market.


Chevs didn't come with 403 engines.
So take away the "Chev" and it leaves GMC.
Re: [GMCnet] This is a great deal! [message #201859 is a reply to message #201856] Sat, 16 March 2013 19:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kelvin Dietz wrote on Sat, 16 March 2013 18:18

But Bob... the way it's advertised? "Chevy Motorhome"??

Who wouldn't suspect it of being just another off-the-shelf Q-jet that
has been cleaned up and rebuilt? No way in hell I would expect it to be
a GMC carb unless someone like you told me it was.

You did indeed set a trap but it was kind of unfair.
I almost wrote and suggested that you can't trust these thing - but I
knew I didn't have to. I let another dozen guys do it for me. :^)

Cheers!
Kelvin - still learning from the GMCNet.



On 3/16/2013 5:08 PM, Bob de Kruyff wrote:
>
> John Sharpe wrote on Sat, 16 March 2013 16:39
>> Quote:
>>> This looks like a carb solution fo a lot of us:http://www.ebay.com/itm/190810276305?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
>>
>> You will probably get a carburetor for a Chevrolet P-30. There was no such thing as a domestic Chevrolet Motorhome. I understand that some GMC Motorhomes were relabled for the export market.
> Well you are the first of 2 to fall into my trap and you are not alone. My point in posting this was is what is wrong with the GMCNET and the typical old crows that without any knowledge dismiss issues that the rest of us 8000 GMC owners can benefit from. I purchased one of these and the part number was correct and specific to the GMC only, unlike what you immediately dismissed. I put it on my coach and it performed perfectly--I didn't even need to set the idle adjustment. I consider my coach one of the few un-molested coaches out there since it was restored by GM while I was still there. Then I took it off and my retired GM Rochester Carb engineers and I took it apart. It has every spring and part per the original drawings. If I had left this post up longer you would have had nother 20 nay-sayers who for some reason have the arrogance to dismiss anything that doesn't fit in with your misguided judgement. I recall a few years ago that my good friend and retired Rochester En
gi
> neer was blatantly told that he didn't know what he was talking about. He no longer particpates on the GMCNET but I guess the old establishment survives. I wanted to leave this up for another day or so but most of us know who the judgemental old crows are. It's a shame that new and younger people get mis-informed.


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Well not really. It came up on my screen as a 403 GMC motorhome and hopefully we are astute enough to look at the part number. My point is that almost always there is a negative response to things that we all know how to research if we want to. There isn't a person on this net that can't dig one layer deeper if thay wanted to. Personally I think this is a great find that popped up instantly as a 1978 GMC 403 motorhome carburetor--what am I missing???. Everyone on here that was critical knows that the GMC had either a 455 or a 403 engine. Even then, why are the responses negative and dismissal rather than "let's dig a little deeper" If indeed we were a helpfull group, the responses would ask a few more questions rather than say it is the wrong part. The description and pictures show it is indeed the right part that even a 10 year old can read.


Bob de Kruyff
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Chandler, AZ
Re: [GMCnet] This is a great deal! [message #201862 is a reply to message #201859] Sat, 16 March 2013 19:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bob, do they use that same carb on the 455?
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Re: [GMCnet] This is a great deal! [message #201870 is a reply to message #201862] Sat, 16 March 2013 20:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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WD0AFQ wrote on Sat, 16 March 2013 18:46

Bob, do they use that same carb on the 455?
dan


No it isn't Dan but finally someone asked a great question. I think that most people missed my point on all this. By all accounts the GMC carburetor is specific and many people covet the ability to get the right one for the year and engine model. There are about 8000 GMC's still out there and I'm guessing there are about 450 GMCNET folks that are dominated by maybe 20 strong people. My thinking was that the ability to get a totally correct carburetor would be a good thing. I expected questions like yours and others like "how do you know it is exactly the right one", is it a good price, is there a core charge?, what did you think about the rebuild quality?, is it identical to the original?, are you happy with it? I knew I would get the typical negative responses like this is the wrong one or this is shit. Dan, you are one of my friends and frankly I don't know why this happens when there is so much positive energy to share. Many times people ask a simple question and in return all they get is non helpfull opinion. I know I'm a rebel. I think it may be time to let the establishment feed itself and create a new forum for people who truly want to learn and share positive issues rather than self serving opimions..


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Re: [GMCnet] This is a great deal! [message #201871 is a reply to message #201870] Sat, 16 March 2013 21:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:

...My point in posting this was is what is wrong with the GMCNET and the typical old crows that without any knowledge....


Bob, I still say if there is incorrect information in the description, buyer beware!


John Sharpe
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Re: This is a great deal! [message #201879 is a reply to message #201849] Sat, 16 March 2013 22:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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[quote title=Bob de Kruyff wrote on Sat, 16 March 2013 19:08

Well you are the first of 2 to fall into my trap and you are not alone. My point in posting this was is what is wrong with the GMCNET and the typical old crows that without any knowledge dismiss issues that the rest of us 8000 GMC owners can benefit from. I purchased one of these and the part number was correct and specific to the GMC only, unlike what you immediately dismissed. I put it on my coach and it performed perfectly--I didn't even need to set the idle adjustment. I consider my coach one of the few un-molested coaches out there since it was restored by GM while I was still there. Then I took it off and my retired GM Rochester Carb engineers and I took it apart. It has every spring and part per the original drawings. If I had left this post up longer you would have had nother 20 nay-sayers who for some reason have the arrogance to dismiss anything that doesn't fit in with your misguided judgement. I recall a few years ago that my good friend and retired Rochester Engineer was blatantly told that he didn't know what he was talking about. He no longer particpates on the GMCNET but I guess the old establishment survives. I wanted to leave this up for another day or so but most of us know who the judgemental old crows are. It's a shame that new and younger people get mis-informed.[/quote]

Bob

Any information that you can point me to with regards to original carb internal part number configurations would be appreciated. I have found at least one parts list -- but without explanations to the differences between the versions.

Background -- A couple of years ago I tried to measure all the ports and passages, along with the metering rods and springs in a non-motorhome carb which was on my coach so I could have a base line for comparison if/when I got the correct # unit. I also made some changes to the carb -- it was a factory replacement for a 455 Toronado -- altering, among other things, the power spring and the jet sizes. Cliff Ruggles book was my guide.
Well, that coach has been sold and I now have a correct number carb and plan to do a similar breakdown. It is a longer term project among all my GMC to-dos.
Toby Maki (where is he lately?) had also undertaken a similar task -- but we have not emialed in some time.

Thank you,
Dennis


Dennis S
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Re: This is a great deal! [message #201885 is a reply to message #201879] Sat, 16 March 2013 23:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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[quote title=Dennis S wrote on Sat, 16 March 2013 23:30]
Bob de Kruyff wrote on Sat, 16 March 2013 19:08

Well you are the first of 2 to fall into my trap and you are not alone. My point in posting this was is what is wrong with the GMCNET and the typical old crows that without any knowledge dismiss issues that the rest of us 8000 GMC owners can benefit from. I purchased one of these and the part number was correct and specific to the GMC only, unlike what you immediately dismissed. I put it on my coach and it performed perfectly--I didn't even need to set the idle adjustment. I consider my coach one of the few un-molested coaches out there since it was restored by GM while I was still there. Then I took it off and my retired GM Rochester Carb engineers and I took it apart. It has every spring and part per the original drawings. If I had left this post up longer you would have had nother 20 nay-sayers who for some reason have the arrogance to dismiss anything that doesn't fit in with your misguided judgement. I recall a few years ago that my good friend and retired Rochester Engineer was blatantly told that he didn't know what he was talking about. He no longer particpates on the GMCNET but I guess the old establishment survives. I wanted to leave this up for another day or so but most of us know who the judgemental old crows are. It's a shame that new and younger people get mis-informed.[/quote



Bob

Any information that you can point me to with regards to original carb internal part number configurations would be appreciated. I have found at least one parts list -- but without explanations to the differences between the versions.

Background -- A couple of years ago I tried to measure all the ports and passages, along with the metering rods and springs in a non-motorhome carb which was on my coach so I could have a base line for comparison if/when I got the correct # unit. I also made some changes to the carb -- it was a factory replacement for a 455 Toronado -- altering, among other things, the power spring and the jet sizes. Cliff Ruggles book was my guide.
Well, that coach has been sold and I now have a correct number carb and plan to do a similar breakdown. It is a longer term project among all my GMC to-dos.
Toby Maki (where is he lately?) had also undertaken a similar task -- but we have not emialed in some time.

Thank you,
Dennis



Is this the parts list you are referring to?

http://www.newagemetal.com/pages/GMC/73-78GMC.pdf


Mike K. '75 PB Southeast Michigan
Re: [GMCnet] This is a great deal! [message #201886 is a reply to message #201879] Sat, 16 March 2013 23:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Speaking of carburetors...

I've got what i'm pretty sure is the original carburetor installed, and it
works great- until the engine comes up to temperature.
then, as it approaches a stable temp, first i start getting micro
detonations in the tailpipe, then the RPMs drop and it lugs, and then it
stalls. Gasoline can be heard dripping into the manifold upon the
self-induced shutdown, and sizzling on the hot parts.

So I figured i'd do a rebuild, since i'm mechanically inclined enough to
follow the instructions in the service manual.

To that end, I got this rebuild kit from O'Reilly:
http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/WLK0/151034/02447.oap

I've not opened it yet. According to O'Reilly's Compatability chart, it is
compatible with a number of vehicles and engines, like El Dorados with the
500, and Toronados (and other Oldses) with 455s


Any incompatabilities to watch out for, do you think, or will I be just
fine?


On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Dennis Sexton <dennisfsexton@aol.com>wrote:

>
>
> [quote title=Bob de Kruyff wrote on Sat, 16 March 2013 19:08
>
> Well you are the first of 2 to fall into my trap and you are not alone. My
> point in posting this was is what is wrong with the GMCNET and the typical
> old crows that without any knowledge dismiss issues that the rest of us
> 8000 GMC owners can benefit from. I purchased one of these and the part
> number was correct and specific to the GMC only, unlike what you
> immediately dismissed. I put it on my coach and it performed perfectly--I
> didn't even need to set the idle adjustment. I consider my coach one of the
> few un-molested coaches out there since it was restored by GM while I was
> still there. Then I took it off and my retired GM Rochester Carb engineers
> and I took it apart. It has every spring and part per the original
> drawings. If I had left this post up longer you would have had nother 20
> nay-sayers who for some reason have the arrogance to dismiss anything that
> doesn't fit in with your misguided judgement. I recall a few years ago that
> my good friend and retired Rochester Engi
> neer was blatantly told that he didn't know what he was talking about. He
> no longer particpates on the GMCNET but I guess the old establishment
> survives. I wanted to leave this up for another day or so but most of us
> know who the judgemental old crows are. It's a shame that new and younger
> people get mis-informed.[/quote]
>
> Bob
>
> Any information that you can point me to with regards to original carb
> internal part number configurations would be appreciated. I have found at
> least one parts list -- but without explanations to the differences between
> the versions.
>
> Background -- A couple of years ago I tried to measure all the ports and
> passages, along with the metering rods and springs in a non-motorhome carb
> which was on my coach so I could have a base line for comparison if/when I
> got the correct # unit. I also made some changes to the carb -- it was a
> factory replacement for a 455 Toronado -- altering, among other things, the
> power spring and the jet sizes. Cliff Ruggles book was my guide.
> Well, that coach has been sold and I now have a correct number carb and
> plan to do a similar breakdown. It is a longer term project among all my
> GMC to-dos.
> Toby Maki (where is he lately?) had also undertaken a similar task -- but
> we have not emialed in some time.
>
> Thank you,
> Dennis
> --
> Dennis S
> 73 Painted Desert 230
> Germantown, TN
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Re: [GMCnet] This is a great deal! [message #201889 is a reply to message #201871] Sun, 17 March 2013 03:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bob,

I agree with John.

If you lookup the buyer relleumt you will find he has 1718 feedbacks indicating he has a fair amount of "knowledge" regarding buying
items off eBay.

Regards,
Rob M.

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> ...My point in posting this was is what is wrong with the GMCNET and the typical old crows that without any knowledge....

Bob, I still say if there is incorrect information in the description, buyer beware!
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Re: [GMCnet] This is a great deal! [message #201895 is a reply to message #201886] Sun, 17 March 2013 07:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Patrick,

Before tearing into that apparently well-performing carburetor, I'd check
the intake manifold. While I've never heard quite the symptoms you
described, it sounds to me as if they could be the result of floor cracks
in a manifold without the crossover filled: When the manifold heats up,
the crack opens allowing exhaust gases to be sucked into the intake runner,
upsetting the A/F ratio. With the manifold hot, the carb gets hot, the
fuel boils, and you hear it sizzling on the hot bottom of the "riser".

After you remove the carburetor, shine a bright light down the throats of
the manifold. If there are carbon deposits down there, the manifold is
almost certainly cracked. If not, look carefully for horizontal cracks.
You'll probably have some vertical ones between the throats -- don't worry
about those.

If you do find cracks, you can find lots of references in the archive as to
how to repair them -- or ask here for reiteration.

If you don't find cracks, then MAYBE proceed with the carb rebuild (but I
don't think it will help).

JWID,

Ken H.
Americus, GA
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On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 12:40 AM, Patrick Fitzmorris wrote:

> Speaking of carburetors...
>
> I've got what i'm pretty sure is the original carburetor installed, and it
> works great- until the engine comes up to temperature.
> then, as it approaches a stable temp, first i start getting micro
> detonations in the tailpipe, then the RPMs drop and it lugs, and then it
> stalls. Gasoline can be heard dripping into the manifold upon the
> self-induced shutdown, and sizzling on the hot parts.
> ...
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Re: [GMCnet] This is a great deal! [message #201898 is a reply to message #201886] Sun, 17 March 2013 09:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
C Boyd is currently offline  C Boyd   United States
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Sir: it sounds like yout welch plugs in the bottom of the float bowl might be leaking and/or the float needle leaking.




[quote title=fitzmorrispr wrote on Sun, 17 March 2013 00:40]Speaking of carburetors...

I've got what i'm pretty sure is the original carburetor installed, and it
works great- until the engine comes up to temperature.
then, as it approaches a stable temp, first i start getting micro
detonations in the tailpipe, then the RPMs drop and it lugs, and then it
stalls. Gasoline can be heard dripping into the manifold upon the
self-induced shutdown, and sizzling on the hot parts.

So I figured i'd do a rebuild, since i'm mechanically inclined enough to
follow the instructions in the service manual.

To that end, I got this rebuild kit from O'Reilly:
http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/WLK0/151034/02447.oap

I've not opened it yet. According to O'Reilly's Compatability chart, it is
compatible with a number of vehicles and engines, like El Dorados with the
500, and Toronados (and other Oldses) with 455s


Any incompatabilities to watch out for, do you think, or will I be just
fine?


C. Boyd
76 Crestmont
East Tennessee
Re: [GMCnet] This is a great deal! [message #201900 is a reply to message #201898] Sun, 17 March 2013 09:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Check for a leaking fuel hose from fuel pump to carb!

Been there, found that, done that after trouble bringing
the "Money Pit" home from purchase in New Braunfels, TX
to Oklahoma City back in 2010!

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> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: covered-wagon@comcast.net
> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 09:28:47 -0500
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] This is a great deal!
>
>
>
> Sir: it sounds like yout welch plugs in the bottom of the float bowl might be leaking and/or the float needle leaking.
>
>
> [quote title=fitzmorrispr wrote on Sun, 17 March 2013 00:40]Speaking of carburetors...
>
> I've got what i'm pretty sure is the original carburetor installed, and it
> works great- until the engine comes up to temperature.
> then, as it approaches a stable temp, first i start getting micro
> detonations in the tailpipe, then the RPMs drop and it lugs, and then it
> stalls. Gasoline can be heard dripping into the manifold upon the
> self-induced shutdown, and sizzling on the hot parts.
>
> So I figured i'd do a rebuild, since i'm mechanically inclined enough to
> follow the instructions in the service manual.
>
> To that end, I got this rebuild kit from O'Reilly:
> http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/WLK0/151034/02447.oap
>
> I've not opened it yet. According to O'Reilly's Compatability chart, it is
> compatible with a number of vehicles and engines, like El Dorados with the
> 500, and Toronados (and other Oldses) with 455s
>
>
> Any incompatabilities to watch out for, do you think, or will I be just
> fine?
>
> --
> C. Boyd

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Re: [GMCnet] This is a great deal! [message #201901 is a reply to message #201898] Sun, 17 March 2013 09:51 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Dennis S is currently offline  Dennis S   United States
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You may want to look here for info on rebuilding the carb and checking the plugs Chuck has mentioned.

http://gmcmotorhome.info/engine.html#carb

Dennis

[quote title=C Boyd wrote on Sun, 17 March 2013 09:28]Sir: it sounds like yout welch plugs in the bottom of the float bowl might be leaking and/or the float needle leaking.




fitzmorrispr wrote on Sun, 17 March 2013 00:40

Speaking of carburetors...

I've got what i'm pretty sure is the original carburetor installed, and it
works great- until the engine comes up to temperature.
then, as it approaches a stable temp, first i start getting micro
detonations in the tailpipe, then the RPMs drop and it lugs, and then it
stalls. Gasoline can be heard dripping into the manifold upon the
self-induced shutdown, and sizzling on the hot parts.

So I figured i'd do a rebuild, since i'm mechanically inclined enough to
follow the instructions in the service manual.

To that end, I got this rebuild kit from O'Reilly:
http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/WLK0/151034/02447.oap

I've not opened it yet. According to O'Reilly's Compatability chart, it is
compatible with a number of vehicles and engines, like El Dorados with the
500, and Toronados (and other Oldses) with 455s


Any incompatabilities to watch out for, do you think, or will I be just
fine?




Dennis S
73 Painted Desert 230
Memphis TN Metro
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