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| Re: [GMCnet] Window frame survived the surgery to reduce it's size [message #201515 is a reply to message #201481] |
Wed, 13 March 2013 08:39   |
sgltrac
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How did you cut the tempered glass ?
Sully
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On Mar 12, 2013, at 9:59 PM, Bob Dunahugh <yenko108@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Cut the window down today. It's 7 inches narrower. I left all the channel, weather strip, glass in during the cutting, and putting it back together. Tomorrow the window, walnut paneling, EZ lock for powered wheel chair, inside, and outside ramps get installed. Coming along well. Bob Dunahugh
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| Re: [GMCnet] Window frame survived the surgery to reduce it's size [message #201522 is a reply to message #201515] |
Wed, 13 March 2013 08:51 |
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You cannot cut tempered glass. If you try it will shatter. I assume he just let it overlap the other pane 7" more.
Emery
On Mar 13, 2013, at 7:39 AM, Todd Sullivan <sgltrac@gmail.com> wrote:
> How did you cut the tempered glass ?
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> Sully
> 77 royale
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> On Mar 12, 2013, at 9:59 PM, Bob Dunahugh <yenko108@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>> Cut the window down today. It's 7 inches narrower. I left all the channel, weather strip, glass in during the cutting, and putting it back together. Tomorrow the window, walnut paneling, EZ lock for powered wheel chair, inside, and outside ramps get installed. Coming along well. Bob Dunahugh
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| Re: [GMCnet] Window frame survived the surgery to reduce it's size [message #201525 is a reply to message #201522] |
Wed, 13 March 2013 08:56 |
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Yeah, I know. Zat is why I curious.
Leave it in and work around it?
Sully
77 royale
Seattle
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On Mar 13, 2013, at 6:51 AM, Emery Stora <emerystora@me.com> wrote:
> You cannot cut tempered glass. If you try it will shatter. I assume he just let it overlap the other pane 7" more.
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> On Mar 13, 2013, at 7:39 AM, Todd Sullivan <sgltrac@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> How did you cut the tempered glass ?
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>> Sully
>> 77 royale
>> Seattle
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Mar 12, 2013, at 9:59 PM, Bob Dunahugh <yenko108@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Cut the window down today. It's 7 inches narrower. I left all the channel, weather strip, glass in during the cutting, and putting it back together. Tomorrow the window, walnut paneling, EZ lock for powered wheel chair, inside, and outside ramps get installed. Coming along well. Bob Dunahugh
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| Re: [GMCnet] Window frame survived the surgery to reduce it's size [message #201528 is a reply to message #201525] |
Wed, 13 March 2013 09:05 |
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| sgltrac wrote on Wed, 13 March 2013 08:56 |
Yeah, I know. Zat is why I curious.
Leave it in and work around it?
Sully
77 royale
Seattle
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On Mar 13, 2013, at 6:51 AM, Emery Stora <emerystora@me.com> wrote:
> You cannot cut tempered glass. If you try it will shatter. I assume he just let it overlap the other pane 7" more.
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Sully,
Not sure the finished width -- but you could mix the front sliding section of a large window with the fixed section from a rear (smaller window). If I remember the large are 60 inch, the smaller 36 inch....
Dennis
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| Re: [GMCnet] Window frame survived the surgery to reduce it's size [message #201532 is a reply to message #201528] |
Wed, 13 March 2013 09:13 |
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Dennis you can cut tempered glass with a sand blaster just protect the needed portion.
Jim Miller N8dtp
On Mar 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Dennis Sexton wrote:
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> sgltrac wrote on Wed, 13 March 2013 08:56
>> Yeah, I know. Zat is why I curious.
>> Leave it in and work around it?
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>> Sully
>> 77 royale
>> Seattle
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Mar 13, 2013, at 6:51 AM, Emery Stora <emerystora@me.com> wrote:
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>>> You cannot cut tempered glass. If you try it will shatter. I assume he just let it overlap the other pane 7" more.
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>>> Emery
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> Sully,
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> Not sure the finished width -- but you could mix the front sliding section of a large window with the fixed section from a rear (smaller window). If I remember the large are 60 inch, the smaller 36 inch....
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> Dennis
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| Re: [GMCnet] Window frame survived the surgery to reduce it's size [message #201542 is a reply to message #201532] |
Wed, 13 March 2013 09:35 |
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Jim,
Thank you for the information --
like others I am eager to know what approach Bob took. I think his original plan was to increase the overlap (as Emery mentioned).
Dennis
| Jim jr wrote on Wed, 13 March 2013 09:13 |
Dennis you can cut tempered glass with a sand blaster just protect the needed portion.
Jim Miller N8dtp
On Mar 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Dennis Sexton wrote:
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> sgltrac wrote on Wed, 13 March 2013 08:56
>> Yeah, I know. Zat is why I curious.
>> Leave it in and work around it?
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>> Sully
>> 77 royale
>> Seattle
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Mar 13, 2013, at 6:51 AM, Emery Stora <emerystora@me.com> wrote:
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>>> You cannot cut tempered glass. If you try it will shatter. I assume he just let it overlap the other pane 7" more.
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>>> Emery
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> Sully,
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> Not sure the finished width -- but you could mix the front sliding section of a large window with the fixed section from a rear (smaller window). If I remember the large are 60 inch, the smaller 36 inch....
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> Dennis
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| Re: [GMCnet] Window frame survived the surgery to reduce it's size [message #201550 is a reply to message #201548] |
Wed, 13 March 2013 10:52 |
Jim jr
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On Mar 13, 2013, at 11:43 AM, A. wrote:
Windshields are laminated you probably would have a mess.You can cut them by scoring both sides,and using a sharp box cutter to cut the center
laminate, you can cut most any other glass.
Jim Miller
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> Jim jr wrote on Wed, 13 March 2013 09:13
>> Dennis you can cut tempered glass with a sand blaster just protect the needed portion.
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>> Jim Miller N8dtp
> Couldn't you cut any glass with a sand blaster, even a windshield?
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| Re: [GMCnet] Window frame survived the surgery to reduce it's size [message #201554 is a reply to message #201553] |
Wed, 13 March 2013 11:31 |
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| A Hamilto wrote on Wed, 13 March 2013 11:16 |
...was thinking cut one side/layer of glass with the sandblaster, then the other side with the sandblaster, then cut the plastic with a knife or something....
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The original post was about side glass which is tempered and cannot be cut by any method known to man including waterjet. It simply becomes a million little pieces.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
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| Re: [GMCnet] Window frame survived the surgery to reduce it's size [message #201556 is a reply to message #201554] |
Wed, 13 March 2013 11:40 |
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Back in my young hotrod days we cut the rear tempered window when we chopped the top of our cars. I that glass different.
Jim Miller
On Mar 13, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Kerry Pinkerton wrote:
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> A Hamilto wrote on Wed, 13 March 2013 11:16
>> ...was thinking cut one side/layer of glass with the sandblaster, then the other side with the sandblaster, then cut the plastic with a knife or something....
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> The original post was about side glass which is tempered and cannot be cut by any method known to man including waterjet. It simply becomes a million little pieces.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Window frame survived the surgery to reduce it's size [message #201560 is a reply to message #201556] |
Wed, 13 March 2013 12:06 |
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| Jim jr wrote on Wed, 13 March 2013 11:40 |
Back in my young hotrod days we cut the rear tempered window when we chopped the top of our cars. I that glass different.
Jim Miller...
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Jim, back in the 'day' all glass was laminated safety glass and therefore cuttable by a variety of methods. I'm not sure when tempered glass came about. I think my 57 Imperial has it but am confident that early 50's Chebbies did not because I recall seeing bubbles around the edges of the glass in the laminate on my first car, a 51 Chevy.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
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| Re: [GMCnet] Window frame survived the surgery to reduce it's size [message #201564 is a reply to message #201560] |
Wed, 13 March 2013 12:37 |
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Only rear windows used tempered glass as far back as I can remember.How many rear windows have you seen broken that didn't break into a Zillion pieces?
Jim
On Mar 13, 2013, at 1:06 PM, Kerry Pinkerton wrote:
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> Jim jr wrote on Wed, 13 March 2013 11:40
>> Back in my young hotrod days we cut the rear tempered window when we chopped the top of our cars. I that glass different.
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>> Jim Miller...
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> Jim, back in the 'day' all glass was laminated safety glass and therefore cuttable by a variety of methods. I'm not sure when tempered glass came about. I think my 57 Imperial has it but am confident that early 50's Chebbies did not because I recall seeing bubbles around the edges of the glass in the laminate on my first car, a 51 Chevy.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Window frame survived the surgery to reduce it's size [message #201571 is a reply to message #201569] |
Wed, 13 March 2013 13:25 |
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Quick Window Sizes, based on the outside frames, not the interior hole size needed to mount the windows.
Door/Kitchen 24 7/8 inches
Small Rear Side 29 3/4 inches
Large 23 foot side 37 1/8 inches
Large 26 foot side 59 5/8 inches
I have OEM window screens for the early windows if someone wants them hauled to Dothan. Also the glass. No latches.
Also, the large 23' side window from the Gene and Jim show.
Have to admire Bob's determination and drive. I would still be measuring stuff. Hope to see his final results at a GMC rally.
Tom, MS II
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| Re: [GMCnet] Window frame survived the surgery to reduce it's size [message #201574 is a reply to message #201569] |
Wed, 13 March 2013 13:33 |
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If you even put a small chip in the edge of laminated windshield glass it will likely develop into a crack. When we install windshields at the shop we check them very carefully prior to install. If it has even the smallest chip it is refused. But modern windshields are structural and held tight to the body with window adhesive sealant with a strength somewhere over 1200 psi. A laminated glass which sits in a gasket may not be as sensitive. The back glass that came in my 77 royale had been cut to fit out of laminated glass. The corners were ragged but it did not crack even when I manhandled it out thinking it was tempered.
Some high end vehicles have laminated back and side door glass ( Mercedes 500 series) as an option. Some also have double pane laminated glass in the side of the doors.
Sully
77 royale
Seattle
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On Mar 13, 2013, at 10:57 AM, Emery Stora <emerystora@mac.com> wrote:
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> On Mar 13, 2013, at 9:43 AM, A. wrote:
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>> Jim jr wrote on Wed, 13 March 2013 09:13
>>> Dennis you can cut tempered glass with a sand blaster just protect the needed portion.
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>>> Jim Miller N8dtp
>> Couldn't you cut any glass with a sand blaster, even a windshield?
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> Windshields are laminated glass, not tempered.
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