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| Q. for Ken H. [message #200605] |
Mon, 04 March 2013 16:36  |
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Ken,,,were you working on a catch tank for condensate and pump to blow it onto the rad?? How'd that work out??? Also, ever put a camera in the engine compartment to see if the shroud flaps work?? inquiring minds want to know!!,,,,,PL
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| Re: Q. for Ken H. [message #200638 is a reply to message #200605] |
Mon, 04 March 2013 21:00  |
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| g.winger wrote on Mon, 04 March 2013 14:36 |
Ken,,,were you working on a catch tank for condensate and pump to blow it onto the rad?? How'd that work out??? Also, ever put a camera in the engine compartment to see if the shroud flaps work?? inquiring minds want to know!!,,,,,PL
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I tried water from a small tank on my former coach. I think it was a complete failure because the fan clutch didn't come on. I think the bi-metal coil on the fan clutch what the only thing cool. Ha.
Perhaps I didn't get a proper mist. I was attempting to deliver a drip between the AC condenser and the radiator. I had seen this done in the late 50s and my father had an actual kit on his Riviera he used when he towed his Airstream. It dripped water along the top of the radiator and seemed to work,
'74 Eleganza, SE, Howell + EBL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Q. for Ken H. [message #200647 is a reply to message #200638] |
Mon, 04 March 2013 21:50 |
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There's that message! I saw Paul's message but when I clicked on it, it
disappeared, never to be seen again, until now!
I did run a condensate catch tank for a while. My new HVAC box captures
and routes condensate through a tube. I just sat a 2 gallon jug under the
driver's side of the hood and let it fill up and overflow -- for curiosity.
It's amazing how fast it fills up. I did consider installing a mister,
and bought some plant misters to use. But the RoundTuit never has shown
up. :-(
Same for the automatic bypass shutters on the fan shroud. I installed
them, and they're still there, apparently working, but I've never gotten
around to mounting a video camera to watch them. I bought the camera, but,
again, the RoundTuit hasn't appeared.
I seem to always find more interesting things to do, like my two Cad500
R&R&R's (Remove & Rebuild & Replace) this summer. And like installing a
complete duct from the grille to the radiator. And like replacing Stick's
final drive to transmission gasket last weekend. And like our trip to
Florida last week. And like ... :-)
Frankly, with the Cad500's temperature sitting at 200*F+-3*, almost
regardless of ambient temperature, speed, or load, and no annoying fan
sounds, I don't have a whole lot of incentive to do more -- especially
after the surprising result that the full radiator duct made no perceptible
difference in anything.
Maybe some day when things get dull.
Ken H.
On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 10:00 PM, George Beckman wrote:
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> g.winger wrote on Mon, 04 March 2013 14:36
> > Ken,,,were you working on a catch tank for condensate and pump to blow
> it onto the rad?? How'd that work out??? Also, ever put a camera in the
> engine compartment to see if the shroud flaps work?? inquiring minds want
> to know!!,,,,,PL
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| Re: Q. for Ken H. [message #200652 is a reply to message #200605] |
Mon, 04 March 2013 22:51 |
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The mist system will work. I've brought a too-hot car in using the windshield washing pump. JimB is supposed to route a 3/8 pex line from the fresh water tank to the radiator on the Royale because of that experience. Land Rovers used to have a goat-skin dripbag you'd hang in front of the radiator, though it's a pretty rare collector's item now.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Q. for Ken H. [message #200653 is a reply to message #200652] |
Mon, 04 March 2013 23:12 |
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Aha! That explains the melted off pex line that went out the drivers floor pan into the engine compartment on my 77. The engine side was melted off just past the firewall in the engine fire.
Or maybe that's how the p.o. Got the accelerant in there ;)
Hmmm
Sully
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Seattle
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> The mist system will work. I've brought a too-hot car in using the windshield washing pump. JimB is supposed to route a 3/8 pex line from the fresh water tank to the radiator on the Royale because of that experience. Land Rovers used to have a goat-skin dripbag you'd hang in front of the radiator, though it's a pretty rare collector's item now.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Q. for Ken H. [message #200669 is a reply to message #200653] |
Tue, 05 March 2013 06:39 |
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Ken, Did you post any pictures of your new AC/heater box? It would be
nice to see what you came up with.
Carleton
On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Todd Sullivan <sgltrac@gmail.com> wrote:
> Aha! That explains the melted off pex line that went out the drivers floor pan into the engine compartment on my 77. The engine side was melted off just past the firewall in the engine fire.
> Or maybe that's how the p.o. Got the accelerant in there ;)
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> Hmmm
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> Sully
> 77 royale
> Seattle
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Mar 4, 2013, at 8:51 PM, RC Jordan <rc@rcjordan.com> wrote:
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>> The mist system will work. I've brought a too-hot car in using the windshield washing pump. JimB is supposed to route a 3/8 pex line from the fresh water tank to the radiator on the Royale because of that experience. Land Rovers used to have a goat-skin dripbag you'd hang in front of the radiator, though it's a pretty rare collector's item now.
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| Re: Q. for Ken H. [message #200680 is a reply to message #200652] |
Tue, 05 March 2013 08:31 |
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| rcjordan wrote on Mon, 04 March 2013 23:51 |
The mist system will work. I've brought a too-hot car in using the windshield washing pump. JimB is supposed to route a 3/8 pex line from the fresh water tank to the radiator on the Royale because of that experience. Land Rovers used to have a goat-skin dripbag you'd hang in front of the radiator, though it's a pretty rare collector's item now.
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The mist spray on the radiator does work. However, be aware of what you are doing. How does it do the cooling? It does it by evaporation of the mist. If you have minerals in the water, this will lead to a coating of minerals on the tubes and fins which reduces the cooling capacity of the radiator. If you use it too much you will have a decreased cooling from the tubes and fins due to the coating. I sure wouldn't do it to a new radiator.
Gene Dotson
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| Re: Q. for Ken H. [message #200690 is a reply to message #200605] |
Tue, 05 March 2013 09:54 |
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Yeah, you wouldn't want to lime up the radiator fins. I'd classify this as emergency-only.
Also, while on the subject of misting, over at TheSamba the VW guys were discussing vapor-lock. One of the 'cures' was to cool the fuel pump. I'm thinking Ill put a spray head on that, too. Cheap. Worth a try.
As for spray heads, the best I've found for the money are garden-sprayer wand replacement heads at Ace. IPS thread, 1/4" I think. You can adjust the pattern easily. I use them to build 8 ft Round-Up spay bars for commercial weed-killing.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Q. for Ken H. [message #200693 is a reply to message #200690] |
Tue, 05 March 2013 10:10 |
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Any one wants a pump sprayer wand, I have a bunch of them surplus from my
brake pressure breeders. P.M. me with an address. Free to GMCers.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 Gmc Royale 403
On Mar 5, 2013 7:55 AM, "RC Jordan" <rc@rcjordan.com> wrote:
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> Yeah, you wouldn't want to lime up the radiator fins. I'd classify this as
> emergency-only.
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> Also, while on the subject of misting, over at TheSamba the VW guys were
> discussing vapor-lock. One of the 'cures' was to cool the fuel pump. I'm
> thinking Ill put a spray head on that, too. Cheap. Worth a try.
>
> As for spray heads, the best I've found for the money are garden-sprayer
> wand replacement heads at Ace. IPS thread, 1/4" I think. You can adjust the
> pattern easily. I use them to build 8 ft Round-Up spay bars for commercial
> weed-killing.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Q. for Ken H. [message #200696 is a reply to message #200693] |
Tue, 05 March 2013 10:15 |
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Wanted to tell you
Pump is also good to pressurize gas tanks that are out -- to look for leaks
Gene
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On Mar 5, 2013, at 8:10 AM, James Hupy <jamesh1296@gmail.com> wrote:
> Any one wants a pump sprayer wand, I have a bunch of them surplus from my
> brake pressure breeders. P.M. me with an address. Free to GMCers.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Or
> 78 Gmc Royale 403
> On Mar 5, 2013 7:55 AM, "RC Jordan" <rc@rcjordan.com> wrote:
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>> Yeah, you wouldn't want to lime up the radiator fins. I'd classify this as
>> emergency-only.
>>
>> Also, while on the subject of misting, over at TheSamba the VW guys were
>> discussing vapor-lock. One of the 'cures' was to cool the fuel pump. I'm
>> thinking Ill put a spray head on that, too. Cheap. Worth a try.
>>
>> As for spray heads, the best I've found for the money are garden-sprayer
>> wand replacement heads at Ace. IPS thread, 1/4" I think. You can adjust the
>> pattern easily. I use them to build 8 ft Round-Up spay bars for commercial
>> weed-killing.
>> --
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>> 76 Birchaven Coachmen Side Wet Bath
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| Re: [GMCnet] Q. for Ken H. [message #200721 is a reply to message #200696] |
Tue, 05 March 2013 18:34 |
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I've heard of people using these systems to get their RVs to Burning Man
(climb the Sierra Nevada mountains (Reno) with 10 days of consumables and
props) as these may be rather iffy RVs.
Ron
On Mar 5, 2013 8:16 AM, <mr.erfisher@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wanted to tell you
> Pump is also good to pressurize gas tanks that are out -- to look for leaks
>
> Gene
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> FREE WIFI @ Mickey D
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> On Mar 5, 2013, at 8:10 AM, James Hupy <jamesh1296@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Any one wants a pump sprayer wand, I have a bunch of them surplus from my
> > brake pressure breeders. P.M. me with an address. Free to GMCers.
> > Jim Hupy
> > Salem, Or
> > 78 Gmc Royale 403
> > On Mar 5, 2013 7:55 AM, "RC Jordan" <rc@rcjordan.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Yeah, you wouldn't want to lime up the radiator fins. I'd classify this
> as
> >> emergency-only.
> >>
> >> Also, while on the subject of misting, over at TheSamba the VW guys
> were
> >> discussing vapor-lock. One of the 'cures' was to cool the fuel pump. I'm
> >> thinking Ill put a spray head on that, too. Cheap. Worth a try.
> >>
> >> As for spray heads, the best I've found for the money are garden-sprayer
> >> wand replacement heads at Ace. IPS thread, 1/4" I think. You can adjust
> the
> >> pattern easily. I use them to build 8 ft Round-Up spay bars for
> commercial
> >> weed-killing.
> >> --
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> >> 76 Birchaven Coachmen Side Wet Bath
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| Re: Q. for Ken H. [message #200726 is a reply to message #200605] |
Tue, 05 March 2013 19:05 |
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Yeah, low humidity environments like Burning Man work great for swamp coolers and that's all this is.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Q. for Ken H. [message #200728 is a reply to message #200726] |
Tue, 05 March 2013 19:10 |
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Under these circumstances, humidity doesn't matter. Water hitting a
radiator that is over 212 f evaporates, regardless. The humidity at 100 f
isn't going to matter much, once it hits your hot radiator.
Well, turns to steam, anyways.
Ron
On Mar 5, 2013 5:05 PM, "RC Jordan" <rc@rcjordan.com> wrote:
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> Yeah, low humidity environments like Burning Man work great for swamp
> coolers and that's all this is.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Q. for Ken H. [message #200745 is a reply to message #200730] |
Tue, 05 March 2013 21:35 |
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The only reason I considered using a mister was that with my HVAC
condensate "automatically" available, I had a source of DISTILLED water --
no mineral build-up to worry about.
While I haven't been in a very dry climate since installing the new HVAC, I
don't know how much distilled water I'll collect -- here in the humid
South, I could probably mist continuously. Out West, I'd still hope to
gather enough for occasional misting -- all I'd expect to need. If I
really needed more, I'd periodically stop at WalMart for a couple of
gallons of <$1.00 distilled water.
Ken H.
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Robert Mueller wrote:
> Gene,
>
> You're correct about the minerals coating the radiator. Commercial
> airliners air conditioning systems have water separators that
> remove moisture from the air stream. IIRC since that water is condensed
> from the air stream I don't think there is a lot of minerals
> in it.
>
> As a SWAG in my opinion the amount of condensed water you're going to get
> out of the air conditioning system and sprayed on the
> radiator isn't going to add a lot of cooling.
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Q. for Ken H. [message #200763 is a reply to message #200745] |
Wed, 06 March 2013 06:38 |
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Ken, thanks for the link, you did a real nice job with that sheet
metal work, how is it cooling in the hot weather?
Carleton
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 8:35 PM, Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> The only reason I considered using a mister was that with my HVAC
> condensate "automatically" available, I had a source of DISTILLED water --
> no mineral build-up to worry about.
>
> While I haven't been in a very dry climate since installing the new HVAC, I
> don't know how much distilled water I'll collect -- here in the humid
> South, I could probably mist continuously. Out West, I'd still hope to
> gather enough for occasional misting -- all I'd expect to need. If I
> really needed more, I'd periodically stop at WalMart for a couple of
> gallons of <$1.00 distilled water.
>
> Ken H.
>
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Robert Mueller wrote:
>
>> Gene,
>>
>> You're correct about the minerals coating the radiator. Commercial
>> airliners air conditioning systems have water separators that
>> remove moisture from the air stream. IIRC since that water is condensed
>> from the air stream I don't think there is a lot of minerals
>> in it.
>>
>> As a SWAG in my opinion the amount of condensed water you're going to get
>> out of the air conditioning system and sprayed on the
>> radiator isn't going to add a lot of cooling.
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Q. for Ken H. [message #200832 is a reply to message #200763] |
Wed, 06 March 2013 22:50 |
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Carleton,
It works great. I'd expected to replace the small blower right away --
now, I'm not sure I ever will. It doesn't create a hurricane out the
vents, but it's certainly a brisk wind. SHE keeps a blanket handy in the
hottest weather.
Ken
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Carleton Douglas <aecsdouglas@gmail.com>wrote:
> Ken, thanks for the link, you did a real nice job with that sheet
> metal work, how is it cooling in the hot weather?
>
> Carleton
>
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 8:35 PM, Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
> > The only reason I considered using a mister was that with my HVAC
> > condensate "automatically" available, I had a source of DISTILLED water
> --
> > no mineral build-up to worry about.
> >
> > While I haven't been in a very dry climate since installing the new
> HVAC, I
> > don't know how much distilled water I'll collect -- here in the humid
> > South, I could probably mist continuously. Out West, I'd still hope to
> > gather enough for occasional misting -- all I'd expect to need. If I
> > really needed more, I'd periodically stop at WalMart for a couple of
> > gallons of <$1.00 distilled water.
> >
> > Ken H.
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Robert Mueller wrote:
> >
> >> Gene,
> >>
> >> You're correct about the minerals coating the radiator. Commercial
> >> airliners air conditioning systems have water separators that
> >> remove moisture from the air stream. IIRC since that water is condensed
> >> from the air stream I don't think there is a lot of minerals
> >> in it.
> >>
> >> As a SWAG in my opinion the amount of condensed water you're going to
> get
> >> out of the air conditioning system and sprayed on the
> >> radiator isn't going to add a lot of cooling.
> >>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Q. for Ken H. [message #201373 is a reply to message #200693] |
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On 3/5/2013 11:10 AM, James Hupy wrote:
> Any one wants a pump sprayer wand, I have a bunch of them surplus from my
> brake pressure breeders. P.M. me with an address. Free to GMCers.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Or
> 78 Gmc Royale 403
> On Mar 5, 2013 7:55 AM, "RC Jordan"<rc@rcjordan.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Yeah, you wouldn't want to lime up the radiator fins. I'd classify this as
>> emergency-only.
>>
>> Also, while on the subject of misting, over at TheSamba the VW guys were
>> discussing vapor-lock. One of the 'cures' was to cool the fuel pump. I'm
>> thinking Ill put a spray head on that, too. Cheap. Worth a try.
>>
>> As for spray heads, the best I've found for the money are garden-sprayer
>> wand replacement heads at Ace. IPS thread, 1/4" I think. You can adjust the
>> pattern easily. I use them to build 8 ft Round-Up spay bars for commercial
>> weed-killing.
>> --
>> 77 Royale Coachmen Side Dry Bath
>> 76 Birchaven Coachmen Side Wet Bath
>> How's the GMC market? Check out GMC Motorhomes For Sale
>
Jim
I sent you a private email to your private email address. It may have
gone to spam. I would like to have a couple of the sprayer heads.
Please respond.
Gary W. Mills (Livonia MI)
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| Re: [GMCnet] Q. for Ken H. [message #201385 is a reply to message #201373] |
Tue, 12 March 2013 09:59 |
James Hupy
Messages: 6806
Registered: May 2010
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Gary, I got your email and dug out a couple of spray wands for you. This
past weekend was spent with Todd Sullivan here at my shop. I will try to
get them in the mail today. Sorry for the delay.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or.
78 Gmc Royale 403
On Mar 12, 2013 4:44 AM, "Gary Mills" <daveel@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> On 3/5/2013 11:10 AM, James Hupy wrote:
> > Any one wants a pump sprayer wand, I have a bunch of them surplus from my
> > brake pressure breeders. P.M. me with an address. Free to GMCers.
> > Jim Hupy
> > Salem, Or
> > 78 Gmc Royale 403
> > On Mar 5, 2013 7:55 AM, "RC Jordan"<rc@rcjordan.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Yeah, you wouldn't want to lime up the radiator fins. I'd classify this
> as
> >> emergency-only.
> >>
> >> Also, while on the subject of misting, over at TheSamba the VW guys
> were
> >> discussing vapor-lock. One of the 'cures' was to cool the fuel pump. I'm
> >> thinking Ill put a spray head on that, too. Cheap. Worth a try.
> >>
> >> As for spray heads, the best I've found for the money are garden-sprayer
> >> wand replacement heads at Ace. IPS thread, 1/4" I think. You can adjust
> the
> >> pattern easily. I use them to build 8 ft Round-Up spay bars for
> commercial
> >> weed-killing.
> >> --
> >> 77 Royale Coachmen Side Dry Bath
> >> 76 Birchaven Coachmen Side Wet Bath
> >> How's the GMC market? Check out GMC Motorhomes For Sale
> >
> Jim
> I sent you a private email to your private email address. It may have
> gone to spam. I would like to have a couple of the sprayer heads.
> Please respond.
> Gary W. Mills (Livonia MI)
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