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| Power steering hard line failure [message #198899] |
Mon, 18 February 2013 15:14  |
kerry pinkerton
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On the way back from Lazydays, our power steering pump started whining. When I checked into it, the fluid was about gone so I added some and started the coach. Power steering fluid went EVERYFREAKING WHERE!
I assumed the pump was bad and ordered a new one and, with considerable difficulty, put it in. What a pain in the butt.
Also replaced the water pump and starter. Well today, I put fluid in the pump and started the coach. To my great surprise, fluid went EVERYFREAKING WHERE! What the *&^%(()?
After about 30 minutes of troubleshooting which involved hooking up a remote starter switch so I could turn the motor while under the coach (securely on jack stands). To my surprise, it was a hole in the hard return line. Once I got it out, I noticed a good bit of corrosion at near the clamps that fasten it to the radiator mount.
Easy fix but it would have been a real hassle to fix on the road.
Now I also have a sense of urgency to check for corrosion on my brake lines. A failure there would be considerably more than a 'real hassle'.
The moral of this story is check your hardlines.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: [GMCnet] Power steering hard line failure [message #198902 is a reply to message #198899] |
Mon, 18 February 2013 15:25  |
James Hupy
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Kerry, funny how a hard line with fluid inside of it that stays nice and
toasty warm can rust out. On the same side of the coach, the transmission
cooler lines are routed. They can and do also fail. When they let go, they
spray hot atf on the headers. If this happens it will burn the coach to the
lug nuts. Check them, and if they are suspect, upgrade to stainless braided
teflon lined flex lines. Forty years is a long time for anything to last,
even people.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 Gmc Royale 403
On Feb 18, 2013 1:14 PM, "Kerry Pinkerton" <Pinkertonk@mchsi.com> wrote:
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>
> On the way back from Lazydays, our power steering pump started whining.
> When I checked into it, the fluid was about gone so I added some and
> started the coach. Power steering fluid went EVERYFREAKING WHERE!
>
> I assumed the pump was bad and ordered a new one and, with considerable
> difficulty, put it in. What a pain in the butt.
>
> Also replaced the water pump and starter. Well today, I put fluid in the
> pump and started the coach. To my great surprise, fluid went EVERYFREAKING
> WHERE! What the *&^%(()?
>
> After about 30 minutes of troubleshooting which involved hooking up a
> remote starter switch so I could turn the motor while under the coach
> (securely on jack stands). To my surprise, it was a hole in the hard
> return line. Once I got it out, I noticed a good bit of corrosion at near
> the clamps that fasten it to the radiator mount.
>
> Easy fix but it would have been a real hassle to fix on the road.
>
> Now I also have a sense of urgency to check for corrosion on my brake
> lines. A failure there would be considerably more than a 'real hassle'.
>
> The moral of this story is check your hardlines.
> --
> Kerry Pinkerton
>
> North Alabama, near Huntsville,
>
> 77 Eleganza II, "The Lady", 403CI, also a 76 Eleganza being re-bodied as
> an Art Deco car hauler
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| Re: [GMCnet] Power steering hard line failure [message #198919 is a reply to message #198899] |
Mon, 18 February 2013 17:25 |
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Coincidense?
Read about Ken Frey's repair kit on page 3 of
http://gmcmi.com/current/122.pdf.
bdub
On Feb 18, 2013 3:14 PM, "Kerry Pinkerton" <Pinkertonk@mchsi.com> wrote:
> After about 30 minutes of troubleshooting which involved hooking up a
remote starter switch so I could turn the motor while under the coach
(securely on jack stands). To my surprise, it was a hole in the hard
return line. Once I got it out, I noticed a good bit of corrosion at near
the clamps that fasten it to the radiator mount.
>
> Easy fix but it would have been a real hassle to fix on the road.
>
> Now I also have a sense of urgency to check for corrosion on my brake
lines. A failure there would be considerably more than a 'real hassle'.
>
> The moral of this story is check your hardlines.
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Power steering hard line failure [message #198929 is a reply to message #198902] |
Mon, 18 February 2013 17:48 |
Robert Burkitt
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Registered: February 2004
Location: Cincinnati, OH
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James -
I have been working with a source to offer stainless steel brake lines at a reasonable price, a bit over $200 for the 26' set. If you are interested I can provide details. The same source also makes the power steering fluid return line, the 455 fuel line from mechanical pump to carb and the transmission vacuum line, all in stainless steel or in regular steel for a bit less.
A question prompted by your posting:
Will the braided stainless hoses ground the radiator to the engine/transmission like the solid metal lines will?
Bob Burkitt Cincinnati Sent privately
---- James Hupy <jamesh1296@gmail.com> wrote:
> Kerry, funny how a hard line with fluid inside of it that stays nice and
> toasty warm can rust out. On the same side of the coach, the transmission
> cooler lines are routed. They can and do also fail. When they let go, they
> spray hot atf on the headers. If this happens it will burn the coach to the
> lug nuts. Check them, and if they are suspect, upgrade to stainless braided
> teflon lined flex lines. Forty years is a long time for anything to last,
> even people.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Or
> 78 Gmc Royale 403
> On Feb 18, 2013 1:14 PM, "Kerry Pinkerton" <Pinkertonk@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On the way back from Lazydays, our power steering pump started whining.
> > When I checked into it, the fluid was about gone so I added some and
> > started the coach. Power steering fluid went EVERYFREAKING WHERE!
> >
> > I assumed the pump was bad and ordered a new one and, with considerable
> > difficulty, put it in. What a pain in the butt.
> >
> > Also replaced the water pump and starter. Well today, I put fluid in the
> > pump and started the coach. To my great surprise, fluid went EVERYFREAKING
> > WHERE! What the *&^%(()?
> >
> > After about 30 minutes of troubleshooting which involved hooking up a
> > remote starter switch so I could turn the motor while under the coach
> > (securely on jack stands). To my surprise, it was a hole in the hard
> > return line. Once I got it out, I noticed a good bit of corrosion at near
> > the clamps that fasten it to the radiator mount.
> >
> > Easy fix but it would have been a real hassle to fix on the road.
> >
> > Now I also have a sense of urgency to check for corrosion on my brake
> > lines. A failure there would be considerably more than a 'real hassle'.
> >
> > The moral of this story is check your hardlines.
> > --
> > Kerry Pinkerton
> >
> > North Alabama, near Huntsville,
> >
> > 77 Eleganza II, "The Lady", 403CI, also a 76 Eleganza being re-bodied as
> > an Art Deco car hauler
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| Re: [GMCnet] Power steering hard line failure [message #198933 is a reply to message #198899] |
Mon, 18 February 2013 18:05 |
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USAussie
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Location: Sydney, Australia
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Kerry,
If you decide to replace the hard lines with stainless steel lines I would HIGHLY recommend you get them from Tom Hampton at
Grandview Motor Homes:
13880 West Weaver Road
Marysville, Ohio 43040
United States of America
grandviewh@peoplepc.com
Tel: (937) 644-4238
Give him a call, Tom and Nina may be attending the Dothan GMCMI Convention and he could bring a set to you there saving the
shipping.
I made the mistake of buying them from Classic Tube because they were cheaper and the old "you get what you pay for" bit me on the
butt!
I had a hell of a time making Classic Tube's lines fit, I reckon someone that didn't have the skills I developed building test
stands at NASA would have REALLY struggled making them work. When I got them there was a 60 inch section missing.
The sad part is a bought TWO sets and have yet to fit the set to The Blue Streak here in Australia. I'm not looking forward to that
battle.
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: Kerry Pinkerton
On the way back from Lazydays, our power steering pump started whining. When I checked into it, the fluid was about gone so I added
some and started the coach. Power steering fluid went EVERYFREAKING WHERE!
I assumed the pump was bad and ordered a new one and, with considerable difficulty, put it in. What a pain in the butt.
Also replaced the water pump and starter. Well today, I put fluid in the pump and started the coach. To my great surprise, fluid
went EVERYFREAKING WHERE! What the *&^%(()?
After about 30 minutes of troubleshooting which involved hooking up a remote starter switch so I could turn the motor while under
the coach (securely on jack stands). To my surprise, it was a hole in the hard return line. Once I got it out, I noticed a good
bit of corrosion at near the clamps that fasten it to the radiator mount.
Easy fix but it would have been a real hassle to fix on the road.
Now I also have a sense of urgency to check for corrosion on my brake lines. A failure there would be considerably more than a
'real hassle'.
The moral of this story is check your hardlines.
--
Kerry
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: Power steering hard line failure [message #198944 is a reply to message #198899] |
Mon, 18 February 2013 18:52 |
Cadillackeeper
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My battery cable was toasty at every location there was a clip holding it!It was about 15
shorts.I still have the cable in place with a new sleeve on it and zip ties.I think they GM wanted that stuff to corrode on purpose.Kinda like the clips for the stainless and chrome on my Eldo.The clip will fail first so supposedly it saves the Good part and all you have to replace is a crusty old clip,
77 455 Elaganza II and 67 Animal, Built 500 Powered Eldo
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| Re: [GMCnet] Power steering hard line failure [message #198975 is a reply to message #198933] |
Mon, 18 February 2013 21:57 |
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ljdavick
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100% agreed. Tom installed my brake lines and replaced my brakes at his shop in Ohio and I’ve never worried a moment about the brakes - except that it takes a long time to stop with the factory setup.
Larry Davick
A Mystery Machine
1976(ish) Palm Beach
Fremont, CA
On Feb 18, 2013, at 4:06 PM, Robert Mueller wrote:
> Kerry,
>
> If you decide to replace the hard lines with stainless steel lines I would HIGHLY recommend you get them from Tom Hampton at
>
> Grandview Motor Homes:
> 13880 West Weaver Road
> Marysville, Ohio 43040
> United States of America
> grandviewh@peoplepc.com
> Tel: (937) 644-4238
>
> Give him a call, Tom and Nina may be attending the Dothan GMCMI Convention and he could bring a set to you there saving the
> shipping.
>
> I made the mistake of buying them from Classic Tube because they were cheaper and the old "you get what you pay for" bit me on the
> butt!
>
> I had a hell of a time making Classic Tube's lines fit, I reckon someone that didn't have the skills I developed building test
> stands at NASA would have REALLY struggled making them work. When I got them there was a 60 inch section missing.
>
> The sad part is a bought TWO sets and have yet to fit the set to The Blue Streak here in Australia. I'm not looking forward to that
> battle.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: Power steering hard line failure [message #199028 is a reply to message #198899] |
Tue, 19 February 2013 09:03 |
JohnL455
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Finding more and more applications where Classic Tube fitment is below OEM snuff. And yes inspect the brake lines and hoses.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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| Re: Power steering hard line failure [message #199039 is a reply to message #198899] |
Tue, 19 February 2013 10:41 |
midlf
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| Kerry Pinkerton wrote on Mon, 18 February 2013 15:14 |
Now I also have a sense of urgency to check for corrosion on my brake lines. A failure there would be considerably more than a 'real hassle'.
The moral of this story is check your hardlines.
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Yeah but be careful. I knew my coach needed a power brake booster. I also decided to check the brake lines under the clips. Now here it is 4+ years later!!!!
I'm going to start a challenge to see who can get their "project" on the road first. Besides me I think RobM's Blue Streak could be on the list. Also maybe Les Burt. Any others??? Although RobM may demand credit for the time spent on "Double Trouble".
(Note that today it is 12 degrees F and 30mph winds and snowing, that's why I'm on the net instead of in the barn.)
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
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| Re: [GMCnet] challenge? [message #199092 is a reply to message #199039] |
Tue, 19 February 2013 21:45 |
GMC_LES
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Boy I guess I need to get focused!!!!
I was hoping to get my coach back into a state of mechanical operation this coming summer but even that is looking like a long shot. I'm still knee deep in home renovations/repairs that i need to complete.
I can't say no to a challenge so if y'all are up to it, then so am I!!
Les Burt
Montreal
On 2013-02-19, at 11:41 AM, Steve Southworth <midlf@centurytel.net> wrote:
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> I'm going to start a challenge to see who can get their "project" on the road first. Besides me I think RobM's Blue Streak could be on the list. Also maybe Les Burt. Any others??? Although RobM may demand credit for the time spent on "Double Trouble".
> --
> Steve Southworth
> 1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
> 1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
> Palmyra WI
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