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Thu, 14 February 2013 14:19

bronevaya

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I have a problem with the compressor working then not. today we fired up the coach to run out and get some lunch and the pump ran for a bit then stopped. the level looked good so I figured it was good to go. coming back to the coach from lunch and I noticed that the rear was a bit low. I went to turn the coach on but the pump didnt even make a peep. I could not even manually raise it using the hold position. I looked at the fuse and there is a fuse that looks like this http://www.autozone.com/autozone/accessories/Duralast-20-Amp-at-12-VDC-clip-mounted-clip-mounted-circuit-breaker/_/N-2690?counter=7&filterByKeyWor d=3ag+circuit+breaker&fromString=search&itemIdentifier=413282_0_0_

the fuse I have is rated for 25 but on the fuse block it says it needs a 30amp. does this matter? if not the fuse where can I look? i will have to take a picture of the compressor because I do not think it is original. It might be, but it doesnt say GMC on it.

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Re: 25 amp fuse in place of 30? [message #198484 is a reply to message #198471]

Thu, 14 February 2013 15:28

C Boyd

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Sir, that is a circuit breaker that resets itself. It should be a 30 amp. Do not use a glass fuse.

bronevaya wrote on Thu, 14 February 2013 15:19

I have a problem with the compressor working then not. today we fired up the coach to run out and get some lunch and the pump ran for a bit then stopped. the level looked good so I figured it was good to go. coming back to the coach from lunch and I noticed that the rear was a bit low. I went to turn the coach on but the pump didnt even make a peep. I could not even manually raise it using the hold position. I looked at the fuse and there is a fuse that looks like this http://www.autozone.com/autozone/accessories/Duralast-20-Amp-at-12-VDC-clip-mounted-clip-mounted-circuit-breaker/_/N-2690?counter=7&filterByKeyWor d=3ag+circuit+breaker&fromString=search&itemIdentifier=413282_0_0_

the fuse I have is rated for 25 but on the fuse block it says it needs a 30amp. does this matter? if not the fuse where can I look? i will have to take a picture of the compressor because I do not think it is original. It might be, but it doesnt say GMC on it.

C. Boyd
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East Tennessee

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Re: 25 amp fuse in place of 30? [message #198485 is a reply to message #198471]

Thu, 14 February 2013 15:37

Richard Andis

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bronevaya wrote on Thu, 14 February 2013 14:19

the fuse I have is rated for 25 but on the fuse block it says it needs a 30amp. does this matter? if not the fuse where can I look? i will have to take a picture of the compressor because I do not think it is original. It might be, but it doesnt say GMC on it.

The quick answer is that it's OK to use a fuse that's rated lower that what's supposed to be there but,...... unless it was a transient surge that blew the 30 amp, a 25 amp will have little chance of surviving. It's an emergency fix at best. Just avoid putting in a fuse rate HIGHER than what supposed to be there. That's when wires burn.

Like C-Boyd said, it's a circuit breaker. It should reset once it cools down.

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Re: [GMCnet] 25 amp fuse in place of 30? [message #198486 is a reply to message #198471]

Thu, 14 February 2013 15:51

Mr ERFisher

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did you read this , and add the relay
http://www.gmcws.org/Tech/dsimmons/air_suspension/air-suspension-system.html

prob is just a supply problem
gene

On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:19 PM, michael <bronevaya@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> I have a problem with the compressor working then not. today we fired up
> the coach to run out and get some lunch and the pump ran for a bit then
> stopped. the level looked good so I figured it was good to go. coming back
> to the coach from lunch and I noticed that the rear was a bit low. I went
> to turn the coach on but the pump didnt even make a peep. I could not even
> manually raise it using the hold position. I looked at the fuse and there
> is a fuse that looks like this
> http://www.autozone.com/autozone/accessories/Duralast-20-Amp-at-12-VDC-clip-mounted-clip-mounted-circuit-breaker/_/N-2690?counter=7&filterByKeyWor d=3ag+circuit+breaker&fromString=search&itemIdentifier=413282_0_0_
>
> the fuse I have is rated for 25 but on the fuse block it says it needs a
> 30amp. does this matter? if not the fuse where can I look? i will have to
> take a picture of the compressor because I do not think it is original. It
> might be, but it doesnt say GMC on it.
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> Bham AL
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Re: 25 amp fuse in place of 30? [message #198491 is a reply to message #198471]

Thu, 14 February 2013 16:35

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I'm a licensed electrician, you size the wire to the load, you size the current limiting device (fuse or circuit breaker) to the wire at 125% factor . If you hav 20 amp load, depending on distance and temperature (voltage drop) 125%*20=25 amps, wire size chart says 10 AWG wire. #10 wire has a max ampere rating of 30 amps so use a maximum of 30A fuse. loose corroded terminals, wire length too far, or exposed to heat (above 90c) you need to increase wire size, then recalculate. this goes for ac or dc

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Re: 25 amp fuse in place of 30? [message #198493 is a reply to message #198491]

Thu, 14 February 2013 16:46

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After seeing the Mickey mouse wire that the P.P.O. Installed in my current coach to the pump, I hard wired a relay in to carry the current needed for the air compressor plus ample oversized wire for the load. Used P.P.O.'s small gauge wire to trip a standard 12v automobile style relay. Pump runs much faster with heavier gauge wire. Cost was less than $10.
Dwayne's pamphlet was my inspiration.
Now, if I can just figure out what P.P.O. Did to the rest of the wiring.
Tom, MS II

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Re: 25 amp fuse in place of 30? [message #198540 is a reply to message #198491]

Fri, 15 February 2013 09:36

midlf

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SeanKidd wrote on Thu, 14 February 2013 16:35

I'm a licensed electrician, you size the wire to the load, you size the current limiting device (fuse or circuit breaker) to the wire at 125% factor . If you have 20 amp load, depending on distance and temperature (voltage drop) 125%*20=25 amps, wire size chart says 10 AWG wire. #10 wire has a max ampere rating of 30 amps so use a maximum of 30A fuse. loose corroded terminals, wire length too far, or exposed to heat (above 90c) you need to increase wire size, then recalculate. this goes for ac or dc

Well those ratings are for premises wiring per NFPA/NEC. Those ratings do not apply to SAE applications at 12VDC. For instance on my '74 GMC the #10 wire to the house panel is breakered at 50 amps. My compressor also is marked for 30A but has a 25A breaker installed.

Ancor wiring has information on 12VDC ratings here:

http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/WestAdvisorView?langId=-1&storeId=11151&page=Marine-Wire

Note that they list a #10 AWG as good for up to 60 amps. As per NEC, FPN's do apply.

All that being said, using NEC ratings will give you a safe and very well functioning 12VDC electrical system.

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1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
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Re: 25 amp fuse in place of 30? [message #198638 is a reply to message #198471]

Sat, 16 February 2013 14:58

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If anyone finds a source for GM 30a breakers that fit the fuse holder, let me know. I have been using 30a fuses as I can't find the breaker with the round connector ends. Thought it would be easy as GM used that style in power window circuits for many years. The fuses don't last too long before needing replacement.

John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
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Re: 25 amp fuse in place of 30? [message #198640 is a reply to message #198638]

Sat, 16 February 2013 16:15

tphipps

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Just buy the readily available breaker at the auto parts store. Cut out the fuse holder, apply eyelets to the wire ends, attach breaker and be done with it.
Tom, MS II

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Re: 25 amp fuse in place of 30? [message #198656 is a reply to message #198638]

Sat, 16 February 2013 17:48

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JohnL455 wrote on Sat, 16 February 2013 15:58

If anyone finds a source for GM 30a breakers that fit the fuse holder, let me know. I have been using 30a fuses as I can't find the breaker with the round connector ends. Thought it would be easy as GM used that style in power window circuits for many years. The fuses don't last too long before needing replacement.

Try Advance Auto:

http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/buy/products/204953-30-amp-circuit-breaker-fuse-clip-glass-by-dorman-conduct-tite-part-85617-relays.html#

Or Google "Dorman 85617" for other places that have them.

Mike K. '75 PB Southeast Michigan

[Updated on: Sat, 16 February 2013 17:52]

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Re: 25 amp fuse in place of 30? [message #198669 is a reply to message #198656]

Sat, 16 February 2013 19:53

tphipps

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On my GMC, the fuse to the air compressor has an in-line fuse holder. The Dotman will not install inside the connector. I'm not sure that you would ba able to keep it connected, or protected from the elements. JMO
Tom, MS II

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Re: 25 amp fuse in place of 30? [message #198674 is a reply to message #198638]

Sat, 16 February 2013 20:34

midlf

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JohnL455 wrote on Sat, 16 February 2013 14:58

If anyone finds a source for GM 30a breakers that fit the fuse holder, let me know. I have been using 30a fuses as I can't find the breaker with the round connector ends. Thought it would be easy as GM used that style in power window circuits for many years. The fuses don't last too long before needing replacement.

Waytek Wire:

http://www.waytekwire.com/products/1366/Circuit-Breakers/&Type=Glass-Fuse-Style

I recently ordered some. Their delivery almost matches McMaster-Carr. I believe they are available in better auto parts stores also.

Steve Southworth
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1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI

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Re: [GMCnet] 25 amp fuse in place of 30? [message #198687 is a reply to message #198674]

Sat, 16 February 2013 22:45

USAussie

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Steve,

Great find!

Tom Hampton put one of those in Double Trouble when we were troubleshooting a circuit that kept blowing fuses. He noted that it
wasn't a good idea to do that and NOT fix the problem.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Southworth

JohnL455 wrote on Sat, 16 February 2013 14:58
> If anyone finds a source for GM 30a breakers that fit the fuse holder, let me know. I have been using 30a fuses as I can't find
the breaker with the round connector ends. Thought it would be easy as GM used that style in power window circuits for many years.
The fuses don't last too long before needing replacement.

Waytek Wire:

http://www.waytekwire.com/products/1366/Circuit-Breakers/&Type=Glass-Fuse-Style

I recently ordered some. Their delivery almost matches McMaster-Carr. I believe they are available in better auto parts stores
also.
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Re: [GMCnet] 25 amp fuse in place of 30? [message #198707 is a reply to message #198687]

Sun, 17 February 2013 08:12

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If the fuse-blowing problem is a result of "surge"
you may wish to go to "Slow-Blow" type fuses!

Which circuit is causing you the grief?

As Rob said, however, if GMC said to use 25A fuses
and the 30A blow, you definitely have a problem
that needs to be located and corrected!

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> From: robmueller@iinet.net.au
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 15:45:19 +1100
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 25 amp fuse in place of 30?
>
> Steve,
>
> Great find!
>
> Tom Hampton put one of those in Double Trouble when we were troubleshooting a circuit that kept blowing fuses. He noted that it
> wasn't a good idea to do that and NOT fix the problem.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Southworth
>
> JohnL455 wrote on Sat, 16 February 2013 14:58
> > If anyone finds a source for GM 30a breakers that fit the fuse holder, let me know. I have been using 30a fuses as I can't find
> the breaker with the round connector ends. Thought it would be easy as GM used that style in power window circuits for many years.
> The fuses don't last too long before needing replacement.
>
> Waytek Wire:
>
> http://www.waytekwire.com/products/1366/Circuit-Breakers/&Type=Glass-Fuse-Style
>
> I recently ordered some. Their delivery almost matches McMaster-Carr. I believe they are available in better auto parts stores
> also.
> --
> Steve

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Re: [GMCnet] 25 amp fuse in place of 30? [message #198729 is a reply to message #198638]

Sun, 17 February 2013 11:40

John Wright

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John,
Here is another source for the 30 amp snap in circuit breaker. You should also check the load on that circuit.

http://tinyurl.com/ado8euo

J.R. Wright
GMC GreatLaker
GMC Eastern States
GMCMI
78 Buskirk 30' Stretch
1975 Avion (Under Reconstruction)
Michigan

On Feb 16, 2013, at 3:58 PM, John R. Lebetski <gransport@aol.com> wrote:

>
>
> If anyone finds a source for GM 30a breakers that fit the fuse holder, let me know. I have been using 30a fuses as I can't find the breaker with the round connector ends. Thought it would be easy as GM used that style in power window circuits for many years. The fuses don't last too long before needing replacement.
> --
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