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Sun, 06 January 2013 13:06  |
mojoe
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After following the NEW PAINT FOR 10 YEAR PROJECT I was curious if anyone had painted their coach at home etc,
Anyone tried this? If so would you do it again?
Joe Kemenczky..
1975 Eleganza ll " Odie " 75,000 miles..
"When I was younger, I could remember anything, whether it had happened or not." - Mark Twain.
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| Re: Painting your GMC at home [message #194944 is a reply to message #194943] |
Sun, 06 January 2013 13:12  |
kerry pinkerton
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I've painted several cars over the years in my shop. I wouldn't be afraid to paint my coach and may...someday. Some of the best paint jobs I've ever seen came out of someone's barn and not a paint booth.
That said, you're looking at a HUGE amount of work. Hard physical work...in addition to the skill aspect. I painted several Imperials and by the time I had a couple coats of paint, I was absolutely exhausted. Trying holding a quart of water at arms length and waving it around for several hours.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: Painting your GMC at home [message #194945 is a reply to message #194943] |
Sun, 06 January 2013 13:20 |
mojoe
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Kerry could you not do it in stages? Say do all the prep, Primer. Paint the roof one day, another color another day etc.
just to break it up?
Joe Kemenczky..
1975 Eleganza ll " Odie " 75,000 miles..
"When I was younger, I could remember anything, whether it had happened or not." - Mark Twain.
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| Re: Painting your GMC at home [message #194948 is a reply to message #194944] |
Sun, 06 January 2013 13:37 |
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| Kerry Pinkerton wrote on Sun, 06 January 2013 14:12 |
I've painted several cars over the years in my shop. I wouldn't be afraid to paint my coach and may...someday. Some of the best paint jobs I've ever seen came out of someone's barn and not a paint booth.
That said, you're looking at a HUGE amount of work. Hard physical work...in addition to the skill aspect. I painted several Imperials and by the time I had a couple coats of paint, I was absolutely exhausted. Trying holding a quart of water at arms length and waving it around for several hours.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Painting your GMC at home [message #194954 is a reply to message #194943] |
Sun, 06 January 2013 14:26 |
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I know a lot of people that have painted their coach in their driveway. For those of you that knew Bobby Moore he also painted his coaches in his driveway.
Here is one example.
<http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/general-pictures/p44987-dales-coach.html
I also have Dales new coach that he also painted in his driveway. When I find it I will post it.
JR
On Jan 6, 2013, at 2:06 PM, Joe Kemenczky <toyomojoe@live.com> wrote:
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> After following the NEW PAINT FOR 10 YEAR PROJECT I was curious if anyone had painted their coach at home etc,
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> Anyone tried this? If so would you do it again?
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> Joe Kemenczky
> 1975 Eleganza ll (Odie) 75,000 miles.
> Working on complete restoration.
> Loving every minute!
> Monroe, NC (East of Charlotte).
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| Re: Painting your GMC at home [message #194956 is a reply to message #194943] |
Sun, 06 January 2013 14:54 |
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I have heard that boatyards are reprinting hulls with rollers, not with spray equipment (maybe Matt C can confirm this?). I wonder if similar products would work on our coaches with reasonable success as the underlying materials are similar as is the size?
George Rudawsky
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| Re: Painting your GMC at home [message #194957 is a reply to message #194943] |
Sun, 06 January 2013 15:28 |
kerry pinkerton
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Yes, you can paint in stages and the roof would definitely want to be one piece simply because of the ladder/scaffold work.
A lot has to do with your paint style, single color, hardened urethane vs multicolor base/clear. Personally I'd probably not do a bunch of graphics and try to stay away from base clear.
Why you ask? Base/clear is not friendly to do-it-yourselfers. While you can wet sand the clear to remove orange peel and runs, you can't do anything to the base coat. Bugs, dust, you name it can get it the base and the only thing you can do is clean it up, respray and hope it dries before it gets something else in it.
With urethanes (basically, enamel with hardener is urethane according to my paint supplier. Some differences but that is the big thing)you can wet sand and buff out some pretty big issues. The problem with something as big as the coach is things drying before you can get a good overlap and that requires a level of knowledge of the mixtures and skill that complicate things. I had problems with this on my Imperials which, while huge, were a 10th the size of our coaches.
In addition, the cost of materials is going to be significant. A gallon is barely enough for a couple coats on a big boat like an Imperial and suspect 5 gallons might be in line for the GMCs. You start pricing paint, primer, reducer, hardener, sealer, and miscellaneous supplies like tape, tack cloths, plastic, etc and I'd bet you have 3-4000 bucks on a single color paint job. Multi-color and graphics and 19 coats of clear and....well...you get the idea.
When I was a kid, we could get a gallon of lacquer and spray it with a bug sprayer in the carport, wet sand it between coats and for $20 we had a heck of a nice paint job. Only lasted a few years but at that age we usually wrecked them before that anyway  . Them days is long gone.
Our beloved EPA is making it harder and harder for folks to paint at their homes/shops. On the left coast it's already almost impossible and you have a difficult time using anything but waterborne paints...a whole nother thing.
Btw, I know a really good painter in Greenville SC. I may let him paint my roadster. I'd planned on doing it myself but he wants one of our wheeling machines, I want a paint job so we made do some trading.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
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| Re: [GMCnet] Painting your GMC at home [message #194958 is a reply to message #194954] |
Sun, 06 January 2013 15:26 |
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there was also Dan
http://www.dwinchester.com/GMC/
gene
On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 12:26 PM, John Wright <powerjon@chartermi.net> wrote:
> I know a lot of people that have painted their coach in their driveway.
> For those of you that knew Bobby Moore he also painted his coaches in his
> driveway.
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> Here is one example.
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> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/general-pictures/p44987-dales-coach.html
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> I also have Dales new coach that he also painted in his driveway. When I
> find it I will post it.
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> JR
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> On Jan 6, 2013, at 2:06 PM, Joe Kemenczky <toyomojoe@live.com> wrote:
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> > After following the NEW PAINT FOR 10 YEAR PROJECT I was curious if
> anyone had painted their coach at home etc,
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> > Anyone tried this? If so would you do it again?
> > --
> > Joe Kemenczky
> > 1975 Eleganza ll (Odie) 75,000 miles.
> > Working on complete restoration.
> > Loving every minute!
> > Monroe, NC (East of Charlotte).
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| Re: Painting your GMC at home [message #194975 is a reply to message #194959] |
Sun, 06 January 2013 17:59 |
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Goodness the examples of coaches shown in this topic section look great!
I was just thinking for 6k to 10k that a paint shop would charge I could spend alot of time messing with it.
Plenty of time less money!
Not scared of the work envolved, maybe if I could get a painter friend to show me a few tricks, I would give it a shot!
I'm with Kerry about the clear coat, might be beyond my learning curve level.
Joe Kemenczky..
1975 Eleganza ll " Odie " 75,000 miles..
"When I was younger, I could remember anything, whether it had happened or not." - Mark Twain.
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| Re: Painting your GMC at home [message #194977 is a reply to message #194975] |
Sun, 06 January 2013 18:01 |
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biggreen, what kind of paint did you use??
Joe Kemenczky..
1975 Eleganza ll " Odie " 75,000 miles..
"When I was younger, I could remember anything, whether it had happened or not." - Mark Twain.
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| Re: Painting your GMC at home [message #194984 is a reply to message #194943] |
Sun, 06 January 2013 18:34 |
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| toyomojoe wrote on Sun, 06 January 2013 11:06 |
After following the NEW PAINT FOR 10 YEAR PROJECT I was curious if anyone had painted their coach at home etc,
Anyone tried this? If so would you do it again?
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Karen (KB/kdpotato) painted one of hers. It came out great. I looked for a better picture of it but this was the best I could find:
<http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/member-galleries/p41239-treasure-island-rally.html>
IIRC the paint was still drying at that rally!
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
(#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
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| Re: [GMCnet] Painting your GMC at home [message #194987 is a reply to message #194957] |
Sun, 06 January 2013 18:43 |
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We put vinyl wraps on all of our promotional trucks. I'm toying with the idea of doing the same with the PB if I hang on to it that long and upgrade it like I want. The wrap folks can put anything you can do on your computer on vinyl for the vehicle. Since thwe GMC doesn't ahve any compound curves (which can be troublesome with wrap) except on the ends, it ought to look real good. I want a specific design with the BWDs on the un windowed surfaces. They can wrap the windows, but ferom the iside it's less than completely satisfactory. I figure it will cost about the same as painting the thing ~~ 6 Large or so.
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
From: Kerry Pinkerton <Pinkertonk@MCHSI.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Painting your GMC at home
Yes, you can paint in stages and the roof would definitely want to be one piece simply because of the ladder/scaffold work.
A lot has to do with your paint style, single color, hardened urethane vs multicolor base/clear. Personally I'd probably not do a bunch of graphics and try to stay away from base clear.
Why you ask? Base/clear is not friendly to do-it-yourselfers. While you can wet sand the clear to remove orange peel and runs, you can't do anything to the base coat. Bugs, dust, you name it can get it the base and the only thing you can do is clean it up, respray and hope it dries before it gets something else in it.
With urethanes (basically, enamel with hardener is urethane according to my paint supplier. Some differences but that is the big thing)you can wet sand and buff out some pretty big issues. The problem with something as big as the coach is things drying before you can get a good overlap and that requires a level of knowledge of the mixtures and skill that complicate things. I had problems with this on my Imperials which, while huge, were a 10th the size of our coaches.
In addition, the cost of materials is going to be significant. A gallon is barely enough for a couple coats on a big boat like an Imperial and suspect 5 gallons might be in line for the GMCs. You start pricing paint, primer, reducer, hardener, sealer, and miscellaneous supplies like tape, tack cloths, plastic, etc and I'd bet you have 3-4000 bucks on a single color paint job. Multi-color and graphics and 19 coats of clear and....well...you get the idea.
When I was a kid, we could get a gallon of lacquer and spray it with a bug sprayer in the carport, wet sand it between coats and for $20 we had a heck of a nice paint job. Only lasted a few years but at that age we usually wrecked them before that anyway 8o 8o 8o . Them days is long gone.
Our beloved EPA is making it harder and harder for folks to paint at their homes/shops. On the left coast it's already almost impossible and you have a difficult time using anything but waterborne paints...a whole nother thing.
Btw, I know a really good painter in Greenville SC. I may let him paint my roadster. I'd planned on doing it myself but he wants one of our wheeling machines, I want a paint job so we made do some trading.
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Kerry Pinkerton
North Alabama, near Huntsville,
77 Eleganza II, "The Lady", 403CI, also a 76 Eleganza being re-bodied as an Art Deco car hauler
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| Re: [GMCnet] Painting your GMC at home [message #194990 is a reply to message #194989] |
Sun, 06 January 2013 18:59 |
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Robert I was wondering about that.Wrap would be easy. I have a local guy that will Camo it for 2k.. Does great work! Would be different for sure!
I tried to put a picture on here ut was to large.
Joe Kemenczky..
1975 Eleganza ll " Odie " 75,000 miles..
"When I was younger, I could remember anything, whether it had happened or not." - Mark Twain.
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| Re: Painting your GMC at home [message #194992 is a reply to message #194943] |
Sun, 06 January 2013 19:04 |
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I've painted a few cars and my motorhome, but I am nowhere
near an expert. The investment in a spray gun and an air compressor
could be up over $1000. Urethane automotive paint with hardener
is going to cost $500+ (not including the primer). I forgot to
mention that spraying with urethane is hazardous to your lungs.
So you need a good respirator, even one with an activated carbon
filter to remove volatile organic compounds.
Then you have labor of sanding the old surface, fixing dents, Bondo, etc...
It could take weeks. And if you have a full time job it
can take months. If you paint outdoors, you have to wait
until warm weather and low moisture.
I found that painting one section at a time works best for me.
First the roof, then the front, the sides, etc. It's a work
in progress. I've been working on it for 3 years and still
need to attach the side mounding.
Here's my blue machine:
hxxp://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/lost-coast-rally/p40608-lost-coast-rally-at-th.html
Regards,
Bill
Bill Wevers GMC49ers, GMC Western States
1975 Glenbrook - Manny Powerdrive, OneTon
455 F Block, G heads
San Jose
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| Re: [GMCnet] Painting your GMC at home [message #194997 is a reply to message #194992] |
Sun, 06 January 2013 19:41 |
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Bill kinda has the right idea there. Unless you have 2 painters with pressure pots and a large booth it is very hard to paint something as big as our coaches in one swift motion while maintaining coverage and proper gloss. I painted The War Pig in several parts.
1 roof
2 left lower side
3 left upper side
4 right lower side
5 right upper side
6 front
You are wondering where rear is. The rear panel was painted off the coach with the access door so the rear corners were painted with the sides.
Unless you use a non metallic paint I suggest basecoat / clear coat as it is much more forgiving in its application and designed for partial refinish operations.
Plan on spending at least $1500 for materials to do it right. Probably more.
If someone out there is painting your coach for $7500 and it looks good from 5 feet then you have made a very good deal.
Sully
77 royale
Seattle
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 6, 2013, at 5:04 PM, Bill Wevers <gmc1975@att.net> wrote:
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> I've painted a few cars and my motorhome, but I am nowhere
> near an expert. The investment in a spray gun and an air compressor
> could be up over $1000. Urethane automotive paint with hardener
> is going to cost $500+ (not including the primer). I forgot to
> mention that spraying with urethane is hazardous to your lungs.
> So you need a good respirator, even one with an activated carbon
> filter to remove volatile organic compounds.
>
> Then you have labor of sanding the old surface, fixing dents, Bondo, etc...
>
> It could take weeks. And if you have a full time job it
> can take months. If you paint outdoors, you have to wait
> until warm weather and low moisture.
>
> I found that painting one section at a time works best for me.
> First the roof, then the front, the sides, etc. It's a work
> in progress. I've been working on it for 3 years and still
> need to attach the side mounding.
>
> Here's my blue machine:
> hxxp://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/lost-coast-rally/p40608-lost-coast-rally-at-th.html
>
> Regards,
> Bill
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Seattle, Wa.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Painting your GMC at home [message #195009 is a reply to message #194992] |
Sun, 06 January 2013 21:39 |
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And by the way, no particulate respirator will filter out isocyanates which are present in all modern catalyzed paint systems. Isocyanates are known to cause damage to the central nervous system especially if you are genetically pre disposed. The only way to insulate yourself from isocyanates is a supplied fresh air system. Most of the systems I have seen and used are cumbersome. If the painter was to be entrenched for long periods spraying a large object then the system bulk might make sense but typically our work is partial refinish of autos and parts of autos with a fair amount of booth ingress and egress to check color/ work on another job while a coating layer flashes off etc. therefore we don't use them as we depend upon a properly functioning spray enclosure with constant atmosphere changes to keep the painter out of the spray cloud. When I painted The Pig I used a fresh air system as it was painted on the shop floor (would not fit in the booth) and nobody else was i
n the building. You can achieve great results without a paint booth if you can control the spray environment , your substrate is properly cleaned and masked and you are patient.
Sully
77 royale
Seattle
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 6, 2013, at 5:04 PM, Bill Wevers <gmc1975@att.net> wrote:
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> I've painted a few cars and my motorhome, but I am nowhere
> near an expert. The investment in a spray gun and an air compressor
> could be up over $1000. Urethane automotive paint with hardener
> is going to cost $500+ (not including the primer). I forgot to
> mention that spraying with urethane is hazardous to your lungs.
> So you need a good respirator, even one with an activated carbon
> filter to remove volatile organic compounds.
>
> Then you have labor of sanding the old surface, fixing dents, Bondo, etc...
>
> It could take weeks. And if you have a full time job it
> can take months. If you paint outdoors, you have to wait
> until warm weather and low moisture.
>
> I found that painting one section at a time works best for me.
> First the roof, then the front, the sides, etc. It's a work
> in progress. I've been working on it for 3 years and still
> need to attach the side mounding.
>
> Here's my blue machine:
> hxxp://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/lost-coast-rally/p40608-lost-coast-rally-at-th.html
>
> Regards,
> Bill
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Painting your GMC at home [message #195020 is a reply to message #195009] |
Sun, 06 January 2013 23:46 |
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Yes
Isocyanides will hurt you BAD
We use a full face mask with air supply from a unit sitting out and away
from the car port - tent booth.
On loan from my brothers boat yard.
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From: "Todd Sullivan" <sgltrac@gmail.com>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 19:39
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Painting your GMC at home
> And by the way, no particulate respirator will filter out isocyanates
> which are present in all modern catalyzed paint systems. Isocyanates are
> known to cause damage to the central nervous system especially if you are
> genetically pre disposed. The only way to insulate yourself from
> isocyanates is a supplied fresh air system. Most of the systems I have
> seen and used are cumbersome. If the painter was to be entrenched for long
> periods spraying a large object then the system bulk might make sense but
> typically our work is partial refinish of autos and parts of autos with a
> fair amount of booth ingress and egress to check color/ work on another
> job while a coating layer flashes off etc. therefore we don't use them as
> we depend upon a properly functioning spray enclosure with constant
> atmosphere changes to keep the painter out of the spray cloud. When I
> painted The Pig I used a fresh air system as it was painted on the shop
> floor (would not fit in the booth) and nobody else was i
> n the building. You can achieve great results without a paint booth if you
> can control the spray environment , your substrate is properly cleaned and
> masked and you are patient.
>
> Sully
> 77 royale
> Seattle
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 6, 2013, at 5:04 PM, Bill Wevers <gmc1975@att.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I've painted a few cars and my motorhome, but I am nowhere
>> near an expert. The investment in a spray gun and an air compressor
>> could be up over $1000. Urethane automotive paint with hardener
>> is going to cost $500+ (not including the primer). I forgot to
>> mention that spraying with urethane is hazardous to your lungs.
>> So you need a good respirator, even one with an activated carbon
>> filter to remove volatile organic compounds.
>>
>> Then you have labor of sanding the old surface, fixing dents, Bondo,
>> etc...
>>
>> It could take weeks. And if you have a full time job it
>> can take months. If you paint outdoors, you have to wait
>> until warm weather and low moisture.
>>
>> I found that painting one section at a time works best for me.
>> First the roof, then the front, the sides, etc. It's a work
>> in progress. I've been working on it for 3 years and still
>> need to attach the side mounding.
>>
>> Here's my blue machine:
>> hxxp://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/lost-coast-rally/p40608-lost-coast-rally-at-th.html
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bill
>>
>>
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