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| Re: [GMCnet] New creeper for senior gear heads [message #193755 is a reply to message #193730] |
Sun, 23 December 2012 06:10   |
Steven Ferguson
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Pretty tough to deal with them. The evidence is so overwhelming. They
have you coming, going, mph through the intersection, your photo (with that
surprised look on your face), a photo of your license plate, and the part
that is most convincing is they have the amount of time the light was red
BEFORE you crossed the limit line (entered the intersection). If it's your
first, take traffic school online and don't do it again.
On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Mickey Space Ship Shuttle <mickeysss@me.com
> wrote:
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> can someone start a thread about how to deal with photo light tickets. I
> think i got one coming in the mail, i have two different email addresses and
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> cannot do it. if you please. mickey 77 palm beach anaheim ca.
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> On Dec 22, 2012, at 3:16 PM, George Rudawsky wrote:
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> > Just found this, and it would be a great GMC tool!
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> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh6z5BW_meE
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> > Surviving the Mayans and enjoying it.
> > --
> > George Rudawsky
> > Chicago, IL
> > 75 Palm Beach
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| Re: New creeper for senior gear heads [message #193763 is a reply to message #193728] |
Sun, 23 December 2012 08:23 |
Chr$
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Don't answer the door for 90 days.
For future protection:
If you have a spouse, cross register your cars. (hers in your name, yours, in her name).
Register the car with a business. they cannot ticket a non-human.
If you see it and you know it is too late, flip your visor down or look down before the flash. They cannot ticket your bald head (LOL)
Assume all red light cameras are speed cameras. they usually are.
We had the first cameras here in Paradise Valley. We don't have front license plates due to all the influential people who live in PV. Now they have cameras that photograph both front and rear. It is also a video, so they will see your plate even with your tailgate down...
-Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
Scottsdale, AZ
77 Ex-Kingsley 455 SOLD!
2010 Nomad 24 Ft TT 390W PV W/MPPT, EV4010 and custom cargo door.
Photosite: Chrisc GMC:"It has Begun" TT: "The Other Woman"
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| Re: [GMCnet] New creeper for senior gear heads [message #193774 is a reply to message #193730] |
Sun, 23 December 2012 10:38 |
Bruce Hart
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Legal gray areas surrounding traffic safety laws in some states have
spawned companies that sell red-light camera defense kits. For example,
California drivers can contact a company called
TicketKick<http://www.ticketkick.com/>with details of their red-light
camera ticket and get a customized written
defense they can mail into the court, as well as sample forms and other
documents.
You can ignore the ticket and hope to never get a summons to appear in
court. You have to be legally served before you are required to appear in
court. Does California have extra officers to go around and give summons
to people that don't pay for camera tickets. It is your call, but you take
the chance of having to pay a larger fine and court costs. Most
communities rely on people's guilt feelings to just go ahead and pay the
fine.
http://www.highwayrobbery.net/
On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Mickey Space Ship Shuttle <mickeysss@me.com
> wrote:
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> can someone start a thread about how to deal with photo light tickets. I
> think i got one coming in the mail, i have two different email addresses and
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> cannot do it. if you please. mickey 77 palm beach anaheim ca.
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> On Dec 22, 2012, at 3:16 PM, George Rudawsky wrote:
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> > Just found this, and it would be a great GMC tool!
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh6z5BW_meE
> >
> > Surviving the Mayans and enjoying it.
> > --
> > George Rudawsky
> > Chicago, IL
> > 75 Palm Beach
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Milliken, Co
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| Re: [GMCnet] New creeper for senior gear heads [message #193786 is a reply to message #193774] |
Sun, 23 December 2012 11:53 |
sgltrac
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In Washington If you don't pay the ticket you get your license suspended.
I just stopped running the ones with cameras.
Jwid
Sully
77 royale
Seattle
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 23, 2012, at 8:38 AM, Bruce Hart <hartsgmc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Legal gray areas surrounding traffic safety laws in some states have
> spawned companies that sell red-light camera defense kits. For example,
> California drivers can contact a company called
> TicketKick<http://www.ticketkick.com/>with details of their red-light
> camera ticket and get a customized written
> defense they can mail into the court, as well as sample forms and other
> documents.
>
>
> You can ignore the ticket and hope to never get a summons to appear in
> court. You have to be legally served before you are required to appear in
> court. Does California have extra officers to go around and give summons
> to people that don't pay for camera tickets. It is your call, but you take
> the chance of having to pay a larger fine and court costs. Most
> communities rely on people's guilt feelings to just go ahead and pay the
> fine.
>
> http://www.highwayrobbery.net/
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Mickey Space Ship Shuttle <mickeysss@me.com
>> wrote:
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>>
>> can someone start a thread about how to deal with photo light tickets. I
>> think i got one coming in the mail, i have two different email addresses and
>>
>> cannot do it. if you please. mickey 77 palm beach anaheim ca.
>>
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>> On Dec 22, 2012, at 3:16 PM, George Rudawsky wrote:
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>>>
>>>
>>> Just found this, and it would be a great GMC tool!
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh6z5BW_meE
>>>
>>> Surviving the Mayans and enjoying it.
>>> --
>>> George Rudawsky
>>> Chicago, IL
>>> 75 Palm Beach
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> GMCnet mailing list
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> Bruce Hart
> 1976 Palm Beach
> Milliken, Co
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Future motorhome land speed record holder(bucket list)
Seattle, Wa.
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| Re: [GMCnet] New creeper for senior gear heads [message #193787 is a reply to message #193786] |
Sun, 23 December 2012 12:03 |
mickeysss
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I went through this on yellow, it has 1 1/2 second yellow, L.A. has stated not to pay them,
i looked at the info sent it states it is a snitch ticket, asking who was driving for the
photo is bad. They do not go to court here for these, and the info is for the company
so i am going to keep it and see if another one comes in the mail. I am taking my new van out
to the desert and burn it, leave the country and go down under.
mickey
77 palm beach
anaehicm ca, live with rob. hello mate!
On Dec 23, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Todd Sullivan wrote:
> In Washington If you don't pay the ticket you get your license suspended.
> I just stopped running the ones with cameras.
>
> Jwid
>
> Sully
> 77 royale
> Seattle
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> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 23, 2012, at 8:38 AM, Bruce Hart <hartsgmc@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Legal gray areas surrounding traffic safety laws in some states have
>> spawned companies that sell red-light camera defense kits. For example,
>> California drivers can contact a company called
>> TicketKick<http://www.ticketkick.com/>with details of their red-light
>> camera ticket and get a customized written
>> defense they can mail into the court, as well as sample forms and other
>> documents.
>>
>>
>> You can ignore the ticket and hope to never get a summons to appear in
>> court. You have to be legally served before you are required to appear in
>> court. Does California have extra officers to go around and give summons
>> to people that don't pay for camera tickets. It is your call, but you take
>> the chance of having to pay a larger fine and court costs. Most
>> communities rely on people's guilt feelings to just go ahead and pay the
>> fine.
>>
>> http://www.highwayrobbery.net/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Mickey Space Ship Shuttle <mickeysss@me.com
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> can someone start a thread about how to deal with photo light tickets. I
>>> think i got one coming in the mail, i have two different email addresses and
>>>
>>> cannot do it. if you please. mickey 77 palm beach anaheim ca.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 22, 2012, at 3:16 PM, George Rudawsky wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just found this, and it would be a great GMC tool!
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh6z5BW_meE
>>>>
>>>> Surviving the Mayans and enjoying it.
>>>> --
>>>> George Rudawsky
>>>> Chicago, IL
>>>> 75 Palm Beach
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> GMCnet mailing list
>>>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>>>> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>> --
>> Bruce Hart
>> 1976 Palm Beach
>> Milliken, Co
>> GMC=Got More Class
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| Re: New creeper for senior gear heads [message #193799 is a reply to message #193728] |
Sun, 23 December 2012 13:43 |
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The law is, at least in most states, that you can not enter the intersection if the light is red. If it is yellow as you enter the intersection then you should be legal.
However, I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV.
Bill Brown - '77 Buckeye Cruiser
Coshocton OH
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| Re: New creeper for senior gear heads [message #193801 is a reply to message #193799] |
Sun, 23 December 2012 13:51 |
Carl S.
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| carguy wrote on Sun, 23 December 2012 12:43 |
The law is, at least in most states, that you can not enter the intersection if the light is red. If it is yellow as you enter the intersection then you should be legal.
However, I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV.
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Did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night? 
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: [GMCnet] New creeper for senior gear heads [message #193834 is a reply to message #193818] |
Sun, 23 December 2012 17:58 |
mickeysss
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I have not lied, and will not. the fact is that it states that it will not go to court and it is fishing, i will not reply
for L.A. city commissioners have stated that they are not legal now here. If you go through with it then you pay.
It is not a ticket here it is an ask to pay of your own will. I have had one 3 years ago in beverly hills, i paid that one, they are 456 dollars.
This one is not a ticket, it is a snitch alert form. So i have not perjured myself but i will wait for another notice and see.
at large\
mickey
77 palm beach
anaheim ca.
On Dec 23, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Rob Mueller wrote:
> Mickey,
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> That's not going to do you any good! We have red light cameras and speed cameras here too.
>
> In New South Wales they don't muck around, Marcus Einfeld a retired Federal Court of Australia Justice lied about not being the
> driver when he had his photo taken, he went to court and said he had loaned his car to a friend visiting from overseas.
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> The cops investigated and found he was lying and got done for perjury. Wound up spending two years of a three year sentence in jail!
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>
> The link below is an interesting read and as Sir Walter Scott wrote; "Oh! What a tangled web we weave when first we practice to
> deceive!"
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Einfeld
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mickey Space Ship Shuttle
>
> leave the country and go down under.
>
> mickey
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| Re: New creeper for senior gear heads [message #193885 is a reply to message #193728] |
Mon, 24 December 2012 12:13 |
kingd
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Mickey, Rick Denney who used to be on here quite abit is involved in "traffic systems" (I think) when this came up earlier a long time ago, he (I believe) mentioned something about "Universal Traffic Code" See if you can find the info about it. The yellow light is supposed to be on for a specific time. If you do go to court, time the yellow at the intersection where you got "caught". Possibly if it doesn't comply with UTC eg yellow is TOO short, you have a defense. I seem to remember the YELLOW had to be 3 seconds.
DAVE KING
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Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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| Re: [GMCnet] New creeper for senior gear heads [message #193902 is a reply to message #193885] |
Mon, 24 December 2012 14:44 |
mickeysss
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this is why i am so in denial of this proposed notice, it is not a violation ticket,
If i get another notice i shall fight it on the time scale, for it is way faster than 3 seconds.
i went back and it is just 1 1/2 seconds. I went through just as it turned yellow.
thank you, i need to go video it. soon before they fix it. it was a left turn light on top of it with a car in front of me.
mickey
77 palm beach
anaheim ca
On Dec 24, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Dave King wrote:
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> Mickey, Rick Denney who used to be on here quite abit is involved in "traffic systems" (I think) when this came up earlier a long time ago, he (I believe) mentioned something about "Universal Traffic Code" See if you can find the info about it. The yellow light is supposed to be on for a specific time. If you do go to court, time the yellow at the intersection where you got "caught". Possibly if it doesn't comply with UTC eg yellow is TOO short, you have a defense. I seem to remember the YELLOW had to be 3 seconds.
> --
> DAVE KING
> lurker, wannabe
> Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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| Re: New creeper for senior gear heads/ now traffic light! [message #193909 is a reply to message #193728] |
Mon, 24 December 2012 15:41 |
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The following is, in part at least, Rick Denny's comments re the length of time that the light should be yellow before it turns red that Dave King was referring to.
The Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices says somewhere between 3 and 6 seconds, but specifies no design method. There are several clearance interval design methods in use. The most common is the one promulgated by the Institute of Transportation Engineers, and it includes three terms: perception-reaction time (taken to be 1 second), the time required to traverse the safe stopping distance at the speed limit (Speed / 20 on a flat approach), and the time required to cross the street (width of the crossing + vehicle length / speed). Speeds in feet/second--1.47 time mph. The first two terms are, by convention, shown as the yellow clearance interval, while the third is a red clearance.
Bill Brown - '77 Buckeye Cruiser
Coshocton OH
carguybill@sbcglobal.net
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