| [GMCnet] Winter storage and fuel [message #192118] |
Mon, 03 December 2012 17:08  |
mmmm ka
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Now I don't know much about cargo planes, but I am just about to button up the overcoat on our Kingsley, since it will not be flying it to warmer locations. Wondering how you wise folks recommend taking care of that nasty gas that has to sit there over winter.
- Should I fill the tanks and ad a fuel stabilizer / ethanol treatment ?
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- should I just treat the gas already in the tanks ? (leaving me to wonder how the treatment gets into both tanks)
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- should I just fill the tank as full as possible ?
It looks like I have a fuel / water separator installed.....
Mark Kasiewicz & Dawn Koepp
77 Kingsley (orange carpet and all)
Eau Claire, WI
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| Re: [GMCnet] Winter storage and fuel [message #192119 is a reply to message #192118] |
Mon, 03 December 2012 17:14  |
rcjordan
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absolutely fill it up. You don't want the dead air space inside the tank to form condensation.
use seafoam additive.
SOLD 77 Royale Coachmen Side Dry Bath
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| Re: [GMCnet] Winter storage and fuel [message #192126 is a reply to message #192118] |
Mon, 03 December 2012 17:49 |
GeorgeRud
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Don't know if it's available in your area, but some counties in Wisconsin still have ethanol free fuel available. It may store better than the ethanol laced stuff.
I would still recommend some Sta-Bil or SeaFoam added to the fuel, and keep the tanks full.
Short of draining and dropping the tanks and running the carb out of fuel, I don't think anyone has come up with a better storage option.
Otherwise, drive it down to the southern states and avoid that Wisconsin winter!
George Rudawsky
Chicago, IL
75 Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] Winter storage and fuel [message #192128 is a reply to message #192126] |
Mon, 03 December 2012 17:57 |
rcjordan
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>ethanol free
We have two independent stations that sell it here locally. The landscapers and boat owners line up for the stuff. George is right, use that if you can find it. Sta-bil is OK and I have some around but for a couple of years now I've been polling old super-mechanics that I know and the slight majority will say that they go for seafoam when they have the option.
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76 Eleganza
Elizabeth City, NC
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| Re: [GMCnet] Winter storage and fuel [message #192143 is a reply to message #192141] |
Mon, 03 December 2012 20:09 |
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| rcjordan wrote on Mon, 03 December 2012 17:53 |
>Yuk
Here's the fuel filter & tank from Retro over at the co-op
http://gmccoop.com/Bob-fuel-filter.jpg
http://gmccoop.com/Bob-tanks-1.jpg
Old tanks are almost always like this, even in the South. Used to, we slushed them with sealer but with E85 coming I wonder how the sealer itself will hold up over time to ethanol.
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Dang what a mess. I recently had my tanks out and they were almost spotless inside. The tank in my 80 & 63 year old cars are also clean inside. It must have a lot to do with the high humidity down there. I never bother to fill any of them till I need gas.
Roy Keen
Minden,NV
76 X Glenbrook
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| Re: [GMCnet] Winter storage and fuel [message #192146 is a reply to message #192143] |
Mon, 03 December 2012 20:17 |
rcjordan
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>high humidity
That's what I've always assumed. With good sunlight the ambient temperature warms the tank which expands and expels the vapor in the void. Night comes and the vapor shrinks, drawing in humid air sometimes. Then this condensates on the tank top and walls, drips and sinks. You can see it happen with handheld fuel tanks, they puff up during the day and go concave at when they cool. Because of that, I never use the last cup of fuel in the can.
SOLD 77 Royale Coachmen Side Dry Bath
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Elizabeth City, NC
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| Re: [GMCnet] Winter storage and fuel [message #192173 is a reply to message #192146] |
Tue, 04 December 2012 08:30 |
tphipps
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Both Seafoam and Sta-Bil recommend a double dose for long term storage. You can also fog the carb with Seafoam spray, and allow it to be pulled into the engine while the engine is running. The engine will choke out and quit running, but some of the product will be in the cylinders as a protective coating.
In Virginia, which has some very cold winter days, I filled my tanks and added double seafoam. Always started and ran in the Spring without much further action.
IMHO, Both Seafoam and Sta-Bil accomplish the same thing for me.
Tom, MS II
P.S. I believe that E-85 will be the death of the GMC and most older vehicles. My 2010 Nissan Truck has a large warning in its documentation against any use of E-85 in this very modern engine.
Subaru has a similar warning.
2012 Phoenix Cruiser model 2552
KA4CSG
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| Re: [GMCnet] Winter storage and fuel [message #192219 is a reply to message #192179] |
Tue, 04 December 2012 15:05 |
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USAussie
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Aw s#!t,
I missed the instructions on Stabil to put in twice the normal amount for long term storage!
AND I never thought of fogging the engine as per Dick's recommendation!
Having noted that I've been storing Double Trouble for eight months a year for the past four years and so far so good.
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Wheeler
You can also fog the carb with Seafoam spray
Dick Paterson recommends using a fogging oil when shutting your engine down
for several months (or longer). He said to run the hot engine around 1500
rpm and spray for 20 seconds into the carb. I use a fogging oil sold by
NAPA; probably similar to the Seafoam spray.
JR Wheeler NC/OR
> [Original Message]
> From: Thomas Phipps <tph1pp5@yahoo.com>
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> Both Seafoam and Sta-Bil recommend a double dose for long term storage.
You can also fog the carb with Seafoam spray, and allow it to be pulled
into the engine while the engine is running. The engine will choke out and
quit running, but some of the product will be in the cylinders as a
protective coating.
> In Virginia, which has some very cold winter days, I filled my tanks and
added double seafoam. Always started and ran in the Spring without much
further action.
> IMHO, Both Seafoam and Sta-Bil accomplish the same thing for me.
>
> Tom
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