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Sat, 01 December 2012 21:46  |
kerry pinkerton
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This is an interesting group. I've been associated with professionals most my working life and in any group, you've got usually about 20-30% really, really sharp people.
This group seems to violate that principal however. There are more really sharp people per capita than any group I've ever been associated with...and that is a lot of groups...and a lot of really impressive groups.
That said, it seems like at least every week or two, someone gets their knickers in a twist because someone else questioned something they said. Folks this is the internet. Everything that gets written did not come down from the mountain with Moses. There are lots of ways to do things and what may be perfect for one person may not be for someone else...for lots of reasons from how we use our coaches to our budgets. Heck, we don't even have 100% agreement between the pros on what is the 'best' approach to everything.
EVERY enhancement known to the GMC world (or the world in general for that matter) came about because someone wanted something either better or different. No doubt, the folks who were invested in the previous best thing were a little tweaked that someone questioned it by coming up with something new.
It's called progress.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that there is no reason to get upset because what you think is the greatest thing in the world isn't received that way by everyone. Never will be. That is group dynamics. State your facts as you understand them. Ignore those who tweak you. Someone will learn something and that is the whole point isn't it. You might be right or you might be wrong and either way learning happens.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: [GMCnet] Group Dynamics and the meaning of life. [message #191925 is a reply to message #191923] |
Sat, 01 December 2012 22:23  |
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you can tell how smart someone is on whether they agree with you.
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anaheim ca.
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On Dec 1, 2012, at 7:46 PM, Kerry Pinkerton wrote:
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> This is an interesting group. I've been associated with professionals most my working life and in any group, you've got usually about 20-30% really, really sharp people.
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> This group seems to violate that principal however. There are more really sharp people per capita than any group I've ever been associated with...and that is a lot of groups...and a lot of really impressive groups.
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> That said, it seems like at least every week or two, someone gets their knickers in a twist because someone else questioned something they said. Folks this is the internet. Everything that gets written did not come down from the mountain with Moses. There are lots of ways to do things and what may be perfect for one person may not be for someone else...for lots of reasons from how we use our coaches to our budgets. Heck, we don't even have 100% agreement between the pros on what is the 'best' approach to everything.
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> EVERY enhancement known to the GMC world (or the world in general for that matter) came about because someone wanted something either better or different. No doubt, the folks who were invested in the previous best thing were a little tweaked that someone questioned it by coming up with something new.
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> It's called progress.
>
> I guess what I'm trying to say is that there is no reason to get upset because what you think is the greatest thing in the world isn't received that way by everyone. Never will be. That is group dynamics. State your facts as you understand them. Ignore those who tweak you. Someone will learn something and that is the whole point isn't it. You might be right or you might be wrong and either way learning happens.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Group Dynamics and the meaning of life. [message #191929 is a reply to message #191923] |
Sat, 01 December 2012 23:26 |
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Kerry,
I agree with you to a point; I have been hanging around here for over five years and it has been my observation that the "really,
really sharp people" are NOT the ones that get "their knickers in a twist."
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Kerry Pinkerton
This is an interesting group. I've been associated with professionals most my working life and in any group, you've got usually
about 20-30% really, really sharp people.
This group seems to violate that principal however. There are more really sharp people per capita than any group I've ever been
associated with...and that is a lot of groups...and a lot of really impressive groups.
That said, it seems like at least every week or two, someone gets their knickers in a twist because someone else questioned
something they said. Folks this is the internet. Everything that gets written did not come down from the mountain with Moses.
There are lots of ways to do things and what may be perfect for one person may not be for someone else...for lots of reasons from
how we use our coaches to our budgets. Heck, we don't even have 100% agreement between the pros on what is the 'best' approach to
everything.
EVERY enhancement known to the GMC world (or the world in general for that matter) came about because someone wanted something
either better or different. No doubt, the folks who were invested in the previous best thing were a little tweaked that someone
questioned it by coming up with something new.
It's called progress.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that there is no reason to get upset because what you think is the greatest thing in the world
isn't received that way by everyone. Never will be. That is group dynamics. State your facts as you understand them. Ignore
those who tweak you. Someone will learn something and that is the whole point isn't it. You might be right or you might be wrong
and either way learning happens.
--
Kerry
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| Re: [GMCnet] Group Dynamics and the meaning of life. [message #191930 is a reply to message #191928] |
Sun, 02 December 2012 00:39 |
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just donated to the photo site to help the herd. $50
mickey
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anaheim ca.
real group dynamics. thank you all for all the great information and help.
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| Re: Group Dynamics and the meaning of life. [message #191932 is a reply to message #191923] |
Sun, 02 December 2012 06:45 |
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>twist
I have a lot of experience admin-ing 'specialty' forums ranging from extremely large to very cloistered, invitation-only, vetted memberships. I spent 3 years honing the Terms Of Service for several forums -writing and rewriting them in order to minimize the negative drag. It worked, but you have to rule with a zero-tolerance mindset and there IS going to be some good blood lost in the process. That said, when I first started tending forums I was handed three hard rules from the old online era board pros:
No religious discussion
No political discussion
No self-promotion
Period.
Those rules work. I know of some very long-term forums that have survived on those rules alone.
If you're interested in group dynamics as related to online social sites, you NEED to read Clay Shirky's "A Group Is Its Own Worst Enemy."
http://www.shirky.com/writings/herecomeseverybody/group_enemy.html
IMO, GMCnet has a lot of vulnerabilities in how it is set up but, hey, it's surviving with or without me so I'll shut up now.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Group Dynamics and the meaning of life. [message #191935 is a reply to message #191932] |
Sun, 02 December 2012 07:24 |
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I do not agree with this, No religious discussion No political discussion No self-promotion Period. you get 3 for each only rule with a challenge.
i think three strikes you are out on each flame case. each person deserves 3 email flames and stop on any idea event.
This should be self enforced. After each person has 3 tries what ever it is, then they must stop and the group gets to make its judgement on those
6 flame throws. This way, good information that may be valuable to the group is not squashed and the tolerance of 6 emails will not hurt much.
for instance self promotion, i think if someone sells a new invention they should ask if anyone likes it. Political this is a broad view, everything is
political, religious, all these deserve 3 emails. These are bar rules so no one gets hurt for sure. I feel that the truth is happiness and if allowed
it is not as bad and many can learn from flames being allowed to some degree. buyer beware is important in many cases but if others can warn
you of someone that they are more to beware of because of scientific rip offs that you have had, this seems to me to be worth sharing to all.
much like a history of a crook should be shared. This is good information to others. Same if it is good information about someone. like the jims.
I have never heard any negative comments about the Jims, respect comes from integrity and past facts of honest events. we all respect the jims.
I am for a wikileaks like world, let the truth move to its level of interest. If it is not true then it does not matter if it is, then it will. democracy for real.
I am not for anyone being hurt because of the info, but i feel the boat should go sharp in the wind at the truth.
This is my point of view. there is no such thing as bad information, science is putting in order the information and events in the most
economical way. So let it play. I am for open duals but for only 3 shots per person. challenge to a dual is ok for 6 shots total.
This is of course is my relative opinion as is of normal order of events. please forgive me if you're again it, and what ever happens is ok with me.
fear of insulting is no reason to stop reason. I rest my case of beer.
The meaning for life is to help all humanity to become a success without trespassing on any individual. do more with less with material and love.
use as many triangles as possible at all times. tell the truth.
mickey
77 palm beach
anaheim ca.
On Dec 2, 2012, at 4:45 AM, RC Jordan wrote:
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>> twist
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> I have a lot of experience admin-ing 'specialty' forums ranging from extremely large to very cloistered, invitation-only, vetted memberships. I spent 3 years honing the Terms Of Service for several forums -writing and rewriting them in order to minimize the negative drag. It worked, but you have to rule with a zero-tolerance mindset and there IS going to be some good blood lost in the process. That said, when I first started tending forums I was handed three hard rules from the old online era board pros:
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> No religious discussion
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> No political discussion
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> No self-promotion
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> Period.
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> Those rules work. I know of some very long-term forums that have survived on those rules alone.
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> If you're interested in group dynamics as related to online social sites, you NEED to read Clay Shirky's "A Group Is Its Own Worst Enemy."
>
> http://www.shirky.com/writings/herecomeseverybody/group_enemy.html
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> IMO, GMCnet has a lot of vulnerabilities in how it is set up but, hey, it's surviving with or without me so I'll shut up now.
> --
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> Elizabeth City, NC
> 1 hour south of Norfolk VA
> 1 hour west of Kitty Hawk, NC
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| Re: [GMCnet] Group Dynamics and the meaning of life. [message #191936 is a reply to message #191932] |
Sun, 02 December 2012 07:41 |
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RC,
I'm curious about forums with "very cloistered, invitation-only, vetted memberships." What's the point of their existence?
Regards,
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: RC Jordan
>twist
I have a lot of experience admin-ing 'specialty' forums ranging from extremely large to very cloistered, invitation-only, vetted
memberships. I spent 3 years honing the Terms Of Service for several forums -writing and rewriting them in order to minimize the
negative drag. It worked, but you have to rule with a zero-tolerance mindset and there IS going to be some good blood lost in the
process. That said, when I first started tending forums I was handed three hard rules from the old online era board pros:
No religious discussion
No political discussion
No self-promotion
Period.
Those rules work. I know of some very long-term forums that have survived on those rules alone.
If you're interested in group dynamics as related to online social sites, you NEED to read Clay Shirky's "A Group Is Its Own Worst
Enemy."
http://www.shirky.com/writings/herecomeseverybody/group_enemy.html
IMO, GMCnet has a lot of vulnerabilities in how it is set up but, hey, it's surviving with or without me so I'll shut up now.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Group Dynamics and the meaning of life. [message #191937 is a reply to message #191935] |
Sun, 02 December 2012 07:51 |
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Everyone is always against it. Everyone always thinks self-regulation works. I'm not saying it should be installed here but I can tell you what it has always boiled down to elsewhere.
As for vulnerabilites, the biggest hole I see is allowing new members to have links to their own websites and signatures in their profiles. We're a forum spammer magnet. I just turned in my first suspiciuos profile to the moderator yesterday.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Group Dynamics and the meaning of life. [message #191938 is a reply to message #191937] |
Sun, 02 December 2012 07:58 |
rcjordan
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>I'm curious about forums with "very cloistered, invitation-only, vetted memberships." What's the point of their existence?
Rob, in a word, money. The ones I'm involved in are professional web-management & development --specifically as it relates to search engines.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Group Dynamics and the meaning of life. [message #191939 is a reply to message #191935] |
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Mickey,
Please take a moment to review this information:
http://www.gmcnet.org/gmcnetguidelines.html
Regards,
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: Mickey Space Ship Shuttle
I do not agree with this, No religious discussion No political discussion No self-promotion Period. you get 3 for each only rule
with a challenge.
i think three strikes you are out on each flame case. each person deserves 3 email flames and stop on any idea event.
This should be self enforced. After each person has 3 tries what ever it is, then they must stop and the group gets to make its
judgement on those
6 flame throws. This way, good information that may be valuable to the group is not squashed and the tolerance of 6 emails will not
hurt much.
for instance self promotion, i think if someone sells a new invention they should ask if anyone likes it. Political this is a broad
view, everything is
political, religious, all these deserve 3 emails. These are bar rules so no one gets hurt for sure. I feel that the truth is
happiness and if allowed
it is not as bad and many can learn from flames being allowed to some degree. buyer beware is important in many cases but if others
can warn
you of someone that they are more to beware of because of scientific rip offs that you have had, this seems to me to be worth
sharing to all.
much like a history of a crook should be shared. This is good information to others. Same if it is good information about someone.
like the jims.
I have never heard any negative comments about the Jims, respect comes from integrity and past facts of honest events. we all
respect the jims.
I am for a wikileaks like world, let the truth move to its level of interest. If it is not true then it does not matter if it is,
then it will. democracy for real.
I am not for anyone being hurt because of the info, but i feel the boat should go sharp in the wind at the truth.
This is my point of view. there is no such thing as bad information, science is putting in order the information and events in the
most
economical way. So let it play. I am for open duals but for only 3 shots per person. challenge to a dual is ok for 6 shots total.
This is of course is my relative opinion as is of normal order of events. please forgive me if you're again it, and what ever
happens is ok with me.
fear of insulting is no reason to stop reason. I rest my case of beer.
The meaning for life is to help all humanity to become a success without trespassing on any individual. do more with less with
material and love.
use as many triangles as possible at all times. tell the truth.
mickey
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| Re: [GMCnet] Group Dynamics and the meaning of life. [message #191941 is a reply to message #191937] |
Sun, 02 December 2012 08:02 |
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one persons spam is another persons maps - clever huh! maps is spam backwards. had to share that one.
sorry, the focus is gmc design here and that is the main focus, so i agree peter is the manager and let him deal with what he wants.
one flame can cause a forest fire. so gmc is the fact of interest at all times. this is the reason for being here. i thank everyone for mercy of
allowing me to participate. i agree no religion no politics, etc. i was wrong. i will go back into my hole.
thanks for pointing out the rules robM - i was half asleep and forgot about the rules. as duane simmons use to say read the manual.
mickey
77 palm beach
anaheim ca.
On Dec 2, 2012, at 5:51 AM, RC Jordan wrote:
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> Everyone is always against it. Everyone always thinks self-regulation works. I'm not saying it should be installed here but I can tell you what it has always boiled down to elsewhere.
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> As for vulnerabilites, the biggest hole I see is allowing new members to have links to their own websites and signatures in their profiles. We're a forum spammer magnet. I just turned in my first suspiciuos profile to the moderator yesterday.
> --
> 77 Royale "Retro Chic" (currently at GMCcoop)
> Elizabeth City, NC
> 1 hour south of Norfolk VA
> 1 hour west of Kitty Hawk, NC
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| Re: [GMCnet] Group Dynamics and the meaning of life. [message #191945 is a reply to message #191923] |
Sun, 02 December 2012 08:35 |
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I read and learn - and look at projects such as yours and others and think 'I better sing short in this crowd!' And hope folks like the BWD when they meet him. And as someone pointed out, insults real or imagined are like a shot of whiskey - they only affect you if you accept them. Yall keep the ideas coming, us po ol country boys can pick the pearls as we see fit. And if we pick a clunker, nodoby to blame but ourselves. This list has made it possible for me to get about $30K so far of use out of a $10K investment and a bit of time.
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'76 palm beach
From: Kerry Pinkerton <Pinkertonk@MCHSI.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 10:46 PM
Subject: [GMCnet] Group Dynamics and the meaning of life.
This is an interesting group. I've been associated with professionals most my working life and in any group, you've got usually about 20-30% really, really sharp people.
This group seems to violate that principal however. There are more really sharp people per capita than any group I've ever been associated with...and that is a lot of groups...and a lot of really impressive groups.
That said, it seems like at least every week or two, someone gets their knickers in a twist because someone else questioned something they said. Folks this is the internet. Everything that gets written did not come down from the mountain with Moses. There are lots of ways to do things and what may be perfect for one person may not be for someone else...for lots of reasons from how we use our coaches to our budgets. Heck, we don't even have 100% agreement between the pros on what is the 'best' approach to everything.
EVERY enhancement known to the GMC world (or the world in general for that matter) came about because someone wanted something either better or different. No doubt, the folks who were invested in the previous best thing were a little tweaked that someone questioned it by coming up with something new.
It's called progress.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that there is no reason to get upset because what you think is the greatest thing in the world isn't received that way by everyone. Never will be. That is group dynamics. State your facts as you understand them. Ignore those who tweak you. Someone will learn something and that is the whole point isn't it. You might be right or you might be wrong and either way learning happens.
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Kerry Pinkerton
North Alabama, near Huntsville,
77 Eleganza II, "The Lady", 403CI, also a 76 Eleganza being re-bodied as an Art Deco car hauler
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| Re: [GMCnet] Group Dynamics and the meaning of life. [message #191946 is a reply to message #191936] |
Sun, 02 December 2012 08:41 |
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It keeps the focus on whatever niche the list is aiming for. I belong to one for discussing the likes and dislikes of various dog show judges... hardly a widespread interest.
Realize, for the truly narrow focused ones, unless you have an interest in their subject you aren't likely to ever hear of them anyhow, so they are a non-concern.
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'76 palm beach
From: Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Group Dynamics and the meaning of life.
RC,
I'm curious about forums with "very cloistered, invitation-only, vetted memberships." What's the point of their existence?
Regards,
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: RC Jordan
>twist
I have a lot of experience admin-ing 'specialty' forums ranging from extremely large to very cloistered, invitation-only, vetted
memberships. I spent 3 years honing the Terms Of Service for several forums -writing and rewriting them in order to minimize the
negative drag. It worked, but you have to rule with a zero-tolerance mindset and there IS going to be some good blood lost in the
process. That said, when I first started tending forums I was handed three hard rules from the old online era board pros:
No religious discussion
No political discussion
No self-promotion
Period.
Those rules work. I know of some very long-term forums that have survived on those rules alone.
If you're interested in group dynamics as related to online social sites, you NEED to read Clay Shirky's "A Group Is Its Own Worst
Enemy."
http://www.shirky.com/writings/herecomeseverybody/group_enemy.html
IMO, GMCnet has a lot of vulnerabilities in how it is set up but, hey, it's surviving with or without me so I'll shut up now.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Group Dynamics and the meaning of life. [message #191947 is a reply to message #191944] |
Sun, 02 December 2012 08:50 |
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>policing
I'm sure they do and a hat-tip is in order because moderating can be a very hard, thankless job. That said, forums are chemical reactions and all it takes is one drop of the wrong stuff and you have wildfire on your hands. Trust me on this.
But don't think our spammers have to be visible here in order to abuse GMCnet, the currency of search engines is links and our profile setup may be a gold mine depending on how they're managed and culled.
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| Re: Group Dynamics and the meaning of life. [message #191949 is a reply to message #191923] |
Sun, 02 December 2012 09:05 |
kerry pinkerton
Messages: 2565
Registered: July 2012
Location: Harvest, Al
Karma: 15
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Couple comments.
1- I never implied, or meant to imply, that the 'really, really sharp people' were the one's that got their kickers in a twist. In fact, a lot of the top tier 'inventors' don't post and couldn't care less about gets discussed.
2- Self regulating forums are not. Anarchy will always take over. Some form of moderation is required, even when dealing with 'adults'.
3- I don't believe that signature lines cause any problems what so ever unless people start making junk posts just to 'advertize' by getting their signature out there. Not a problem here that I can see. The Jims provide an invaluable contribution to the group. My comment about not even the pros always agree about which approach is 'best' relates to the recent discussion regarding front ends, original or upgrades. The Jim's don't agree and that is fine. If everyone's coach was exactly the same, it would be a dull world.
4- We NEED invention. We should always encourage folks who take the time to try something new or at least new to them.
5- The GMC world is VERY difficult to navigate. I've been in this sandbox for about 6-8 months and I find a new resource most every day. We need to give some slack to folks who ask questions that have been asked and answered many times before. If someone wasn't here a couple years back how would they know. Yeah, yeah, the search function....or not....   For instance, I've been looking for info about the wireless ride controls for a whole day. Found one slide so far and the page on Applied GMCs site. I know there is more...somewhere. I'll find it...hopefully
6- Email is an absolutely awful communications format. It is very easy to be misunderstood. When we are writing things that are not 'positive' take some time to think about how it will be received before you hit send.
7- I could have gotten all bent because of Jim Bounds comment regarding the curved valences not working. I did not because:
A- It wasn't personal
B- He has experience
That doesn't mean I'm going to rip them out but just that I will look and evaluate how they perform over time. For now, they are working fine and look good. We be stylin'! Who cares if it's functional Just wait until you see the 30" rims and 20 series tires that I'm getting to go along with the 30" sub woofer so we can all enjoy my taste in music at rallies!!!!! (Kidding of course)
My point in this thread was really simple.
1- Thank you to everyone who takes the time to produce content and new products.
2- Thank you to everyone who takes the time to document their experience.
3- Thank you to everyone who discusses their thoughts on the above. Inventors and adopters can't think of EVERYTHING and the input from the group can only help ensure that what is needed to be understood is understood.
4- If you can't say something politely, take it to PMs or shut up.
5- In a group of any size, you are always going to find people you do not like and who do not like you. OK...move on...nothing to see....play ball. Don't take yourself out of the game.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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