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Dolph Santorine
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The other malapropism you probably see is viola, which is a stringed instrument, as opposed to "voila'" which is, well, French.
My condolences on having to deal with the Parisian's for an eternity.
For some odd reason, I think they share the same sentiment about New Yorkers.
Dolph
On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:42 PM, Rob Mueller wrote:
> G'day,
>
> Quite often I see the word "walla" in a post. The correct spelling is "voila'."
>
> http://french.about.com/od/vocabulary/a/voila.htm
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> Regards,
> Rob "who put up with the Parisian's for three years" M.
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| Re: [GMCnet] French lesson for the day [message #191785 is a reply to message #191781] |
Fri, 30 November 2012 19:52 |
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Around here, it's pronounced vie - O - la, too. Unless it refers to the stringed instrument, in which case it's a 'Bull Fiddle'.
--Hillbilly Johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
From: Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
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Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:42 PM
Subject: [GMCnet] French lesson for the day
G'day,
Quite often I see the word "walla" in a post. The correct spelling is "voila'."
http://french.about.com/od/vocabulary/a/voila.htm
Regards,
Rob "who put up with the Parisian's for three years" M.
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| Re: [GMCnet] French lesson for the day [message #191787 is a reply to message #191782] |
Fri, 30 November 2012 19:56 |
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Onc upon a Reforger, three of us rented a VW and ran up to Paree for the weekend. In the hinterlands, the French were like anybody else - friendly, curious, and pleased if you at least tried to speak some of their lingo. The Parisians though, didn't seem to like anybody... the only folks they liked less than Americans was the other French. Go figure.
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From: Dolph Santorine <dolph@dolphsantorine.com>
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Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] French lesson for the day
The other malapropism you probably see is viola, which is a stringed instrument, as opposed to "voila'" which is, well, French.
My condolences on having to deal with the Parisian's for an eternity.
For some odd reason, I think they share the same sentiment about New Yorkers.
Dolph
On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:42 PM, Rob Mueller wrote:
> G'day,
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> Quite often I see the word "walla" in a post. The correct spelling is "voila'."
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> http://french.about.com/od/vocabulary/a/voila.htm
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> Regards,
> Rob "who put up with the Parisian's for three years" M.
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| Re: [GMCnet] French lesson for the dayy [message #191788 is a reply to message #191785] |
Fri, 30 November 2012 19:58 |
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A viola is nowhere nearly a "bull fiddle" as is only sloght
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On Nov 30, 2012, at 19:52, "Johnny Bridges" <jhbridges@ymail.com> wrote:
Around here, it's pronounced vie - O - la, too. Unless it refers to the stringed instrument, in which case it's a 'Bull Fiddle'.
--Hillbilly Johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
From: Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
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Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:42 PM
Subject: [GMCnet] French lesson for the day
G'day,
Quite often I see the word "walla" in a post. The correct spelling is "voila'."
http://french.about.com/od/vocabulary/a/voila.htm
Regards,
Rob "who put up with the Parisian's for three years" M.
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| Re: [GMCnet] French lesson for the day [message #191790 is a reply to message #191785] |
Fri, 30 November 2012 20:00 |
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slightly larger than a violin.
Mac in OKC
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On Nov 30, 2012, at 19:52, "Johnny Bridges" <jhbridges@ymail.com> wrote:
Around here, it's pronounced vie - O - la, too. Unless it refers to the stringed instrument, in which case it's a 'Bull Fiddle'.
--Hillbilly Johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
From: Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:42 PM
Subject: [GMCnet] French lesson for the day
G'day,
Quite often I see the word "walla" in a post. The correct spelling is "voila'."
http://french.about.com/od/vocabulary/a/voila.htm
Regards,
Rob "who put up with the Parisian's for three years" M.
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| Re: [GMCnet] French lesson for the day [message #191791 is a reply to message #191782] |
Fri, 30 November 2012 20:01 |
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Since there are two official languages in Canada, the misuse of the word
...Voila' ... on this forum and elsewhere south of the 49th is common, and
while I have given up attempting to make a correction, I do chuckle
watching the slaughter of the word by those who would do well to confine
their vocabulary to a single language.
Mike in NS
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Dolph Santorine
<dolph@dolphsantorine.com>wrote:
> The other malapropism you probably see is viola, which is a stringed
> instrument, as opposed to "voila'" which is, well, French.
>
> My condolences on having to deal with the Parisian's for an eternity.
>
> For some odd reason, I think they share the same sentiment about New
> Yorkers.
>
> Dolph
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> On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:42 PM, Rob Mueller wrote:
>
> > G'day,
> >
> > Quite often I see the word "walla" in a post. The correct spelling is
> "voila'."
> >
> > http://french.about.com/od/vocabulary/a/voila.htm
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rob "who put up with the Parisian's for three years" M.
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| Re: [GMCnet] French lesson for the day [message #191802 is a reply to message #191787] |
Fri, 30 November 2012 20:54 |
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Johnny,
Spot on, Mate!
I was told by a Parisian girl I dated a few times that my accent was good but my grammar was terrible. I told her that I had never
studied French grammar and she noted "c'est vrai" (that's true).
I mentioned that to my office mates and they noted that French grammar is so convoluted there's lots of FRENCH people that don't use
it properly!
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Johnny Bridges
Onc upon a Reforger, three of us rented a VW and ran up to Paree for the weekend. In the hinterlands, the French were like anybody
else - friendly, curious, and pleased if you at least tried to speak some of their lingo. The Parisians though, didn't seem to like
anybody... the only folks they liked less than Americans was the other French. Go figure.
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] French lesson for the day [message #191803 is a reply to message #191791] |
Fri, 30 November 2012 20:56 |
Ken Henderson
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Mike,
If you'd had my language educational experiences down here, you'd
understand our problems:
I went to Germany as a USA dependent mid-junior year of high school having
had 1-1/2 year of Spanish. Since <2 years was considered no language for
college prep, the high school had me, and another student in the same
quandry, tutored by a Belgian teacher who spoke 7 languages. Since I
wanted another language, I enrolled in French class with that same teacher.
Then, it occurred to me that being in Germany, I should at least learn a
little of that one too, so I enrolled in a German class. Needless to say,
my vocabularies for all of the 3 suffered somewhat -- but passed all of
them that year and during my Senior year.
But that doesn't speak much to the US educational system -- that's "the
rest of the story". Immediately after my HS graduation, we took off in our
'52 Pontiac for a tour of Spain. "If it's Tuesday, it must be Belgium"
probably originated with my step-dad. One week from Darmstadt to Barcelona
to Madrid to Darmstadt with 3 days on the Costa del Sol included. About 10
hours in France each way, IIRC.
When I returned to Americus to attend Georgia Southwestern College (then a
2-year operation with <400 students (alma mater of Jimmy & Rosalyn Carter).
Naturally, I wanted to build on my extensive foreign language background,
so I enrolled in French 101. Well, it turned out that the teacher had
never been out of the US, and had last studied French in college 20 years
before. When she learned that I'd just crossed France TWICE. I was
immediately anointed as the official authority on French pronunciation.
Didn't get many A's that year, so those helped my GPA! :-)
And THAT's why US citizens are not renowned for language proficiency.
OOoops! -- I did it again. At least the Pontiac was built by GM!
Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI+ & EBL
www.gmcwipersetc.com
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Kingsley Coach wrote:
> Since there are two official languages in Canada, the misuse of the word
> ...Voila' ... on this forum and elsewhere south of the 49th is common,
> and
> while I have given up attempting to make a correction, I do chuckle
> watching the slaughter of the word by those who would do well to confine
> their vocabulary to a single language.
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] French lesson for the day [message #191807 is a reply to message #191782] |
Fri, 30 November 2012 20:52 |
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On Nov 30, 2012, at 6:48 PM, Dolph Santorine wrote:
> The other malapropism you probably see is viola, which is a stringed instrument, as opposed to "voila'" which is, well, French.
>
> My condolences on having to deal with the Parisian's for an eternity.
>
> For some odd reason, I think they share the same sentiment about New Yorkers.
>
> Dolph
>
>
Careful -- my wife, MIchelle is from France. However she is not a Parisian, she is from Marseille and she probably shares your feelings about Parisians!
Emery Stora
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| Re: [GMCnet] French lesson for the day [message #191808 is a reply to message #191782] |
Fri, 30 November 2012 21:06 |
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On Nov 30, 2012, at 6:48 PM, Dolph Santorine wrote:
> The other malapropism you probably see is viola, which is a stringed instrument, as opposed to "voila'" which is, well, French.
>
> My condolences on having to deal with the Parisian's for an eternity.
>
> For some odd reason, I think they share the same sentiment about New Yorkers.
>
> Dolph
>
>
Careful -- my wife, MIchelle is from France. However she is not a Parisian, she is from Marseille and she probably shares your feelings about Parisians! She says they have a superiority complex.
Emery Stora
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| Re: [GMCnet] French lesson for the day [message #191810 is a reply to message #191803] |
Fri, 30 November 2012 21:20 |
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I'd hazard a guess that the best way to get proper redneck
pronunciation of the French word "voila" would be for them
to simply add the letter "v" to "walla" and they'd actually
get reasonably close to proper pronunciation, i.e., "vwalla."
Not "exact" I'm sure, but even a Parisienne would be able to
understand it, though he'd probably sneer. That seems to me
to be what most of "them" do anyway!
They don't care to be reminded that if it hadn't been for a
whole bunch of English-speaking folk, they'd still be Deutsche
gespracherin! (probably not correct grammar there). Rob can
surely say/write it correctly!
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> From: hend4800@bellsouth.net
> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 21:56:16 -0500
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] French lesson for the day
>
> Mike,
>
> If you'd had my language educational experiences down here, you'd
> understand our problems:
>
> I went to Germany as a USA dependent mid-junior year of high school having
> had 1-1/2 year of Spanish. Since <2 years was considered no language for
> college prep, the high school had me, and another student in the same
> quandry, tutored by a Belgian teacher who spoke 7 languages. Since I
> wanted another language, I enrolled in French class with that same teacher.
> Then, it occurred to me that being in Germany, I should at least learn a
> little of that one too, so I enrolled in a German class. Needless to say,
> my vocabularies for all of the 3 suffered somewhat -- but passed all of
> them that year and during my Senior year.
>
> But that doesn't speak much to the US educational system -- that's "the
> rest of the story". Immediately after my HS graduation, we took off in our
> '52 Pontiac for a tour of Spain. "If it's Tuesday, it must be Belgium"
> probably originated with my step-dad. One week from Darmstadt to Barcelona
> to Madrid to Darmstadt with 3 days on the Costa del Sol included. About 10
> hours in France each way, IIRC.
>
> When I returned to Americus to attend Georgia Southwestern College (then a
> 2-year operation with <400 students (alma mater of Jimmy & Rosalyn Carter).
> Naturally, I wanted to build on my extensive foreign language background,
> so I enrolled in French 101. Well, it turned out that the teacher had
> never been out of the US, and had last studied French in college 20 years
> before. When she learned that I'd just crossed France TWICE. I was
> immediately anointed as the official authority on French pronunciation.
> Didn't get many A's that year, so those helped my GPA! :-)
>
> And THAT's why US citizens are not renowned for language proficiency.
>
> OOoops! -- I did it again. At least the Pontiac was built by GM!
>
> Ken H.
> Americus, GA
> '76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI+ & EBL
> www.gmcwipersetc.com
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Kingsley Coach wrote:
>
> > Since there are two official languages in Canada, the misuse of the word
> > ...Voila' ... on this forum and elsewhere south of the 49th is common,
> > and
> > while I have given up attempting to make a correction, I do chuckle
> > watching the slaughter of the word by those who would do well to confine
> > their vocabulary to a single language.
> >
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| Re: [GMCnet] French lesson for the day [message #191811 is a reply to message #191791] |
Fri, 30 November 2012 21:35 |
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Mike,
The French spoken in Quebec is not the French spoken in France. I had a couple of guys from Air France visit the HS factory and one
of the technicians we spoke to out on the factory floor was from Quebec. The factory guy began speaking French and I had a hell of a
time understanding him. When we got back to the service department I mentioned that to the Air France engineers, they both said "me
too!"
Evidently the French spoken in Quebec "evolved" in a different direction from French spoken in France when Canada became part of the
British Empire.
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Kingsley Coach
Since there are two official languages in Canada, the misuse of the word
...Voila' ... on this forum and elsewhere south of the 49th is common, and
while I have given up attempting to make a correction, I do chuckle
watching the slaughter of the word by those who would do well to confine
their vocabulary to a single language.
Mike in NS
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| Re: [GMCnet] French lesson for the day [message #191816 is a reply to message #191781] |
Fri, 30 November 2012 21:47 |
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I've noticed that a bit of the language used here is all "Greek" to me,
but that used around the coaches is sometimes "French", as in "Pardon my
French."
RonC
On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 22:01:23 -0400 Kingsley Coach <kingsleygmc@gmail.com>
writes:
> Since there are two official languages in Canada, the misuse of the
> word
> ...Voila' ... on this forum and elsewhere south of the 49th is
> common, and
> while I have given up attempting to make a correction, I do
> chuckle
> watching the slaughter of the word by those who would do well to
> confine
> their vocabulary to a single language.
>
> Mike in NS
>
Ron & Linda Clark
1978 Eleganza II
North Plains, ORYGUN
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| Re: [GMCnet] French lesson for the day [message #191819 is a reply to message #191811] |
Fri, 30 November 2012 22:05 |
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French as we know it is a product of the revolution, and Quebec predates
that, as, effectively does New Orleans. At the time the declaration of the
rights of man was written, the majority of the inhabitants of France would
not have understood it if it was read aloud in the dialect they spoke in
Paris.
Or so I understand it.
Ron
On Nov 30, 2012 7:35 PM, "Rob Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> Mike,
>
> The French spoken in Quebec is not the French spoken in France. I had a
> couple of guys from Air France visit the HS factory and one
> of the technicians we spoke to out on the factory floor was from Quebec.
> The factory guy began speaking French and I had a hell of a
> time understanding him. When we got back to the service department I
> mentioned that to the Air France engineers, they both said "me
> too!"
>
> Evidently the French spoken in Quebec "evolved" in a different direction
> from French spoken in France when Canada became part of the
> British Empire.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kingsley Coach
>
> Since there are two official languages in Canada, the misuse of the word
> ...Voila' ... on this forum and elsewhere south of the 49th is common, and
> while I have given up attempting to make a correction, I do chuckle
> watching the slaughter of the word by those who would do well to confine
> their vocabulary to a single language.
>
> Mike in NS
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] French lesson for the day [message #191845 is a reply to message #191819] |
Sat, 01 December 2012 07:50 |
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When attempting to speak a foreign language the secret is to raise your
voice, include a lot of hand gestures, and add sounds from the language
you are trying to speak.. to English words....it has always worked for me!
On a more serious note, several have mentioned language as evolving ...I
have been diligently attempting to broaden Canadian Maritime language with
the inclusion of one of my long time friend's expressions, that being Mr
Roger Black.. " All y'all "
Lotsa head scratchin' on dat one, me son !
Mike in NS
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Ronald Pottol <ronaldpottol@gmail.com>wrote:
> French as we know it is a product of the revolution, and Quebec predates
> that, as, effectively does New Orleans. At the time the declaration of the
> rights of man was written, the majority of the inhabitants of France would
> not have understood it if it was read aloud in the dialect they spoke in
> Paris.
>
> Or so I understand it.
>
> Ron
> On Nov 30, 2012 7:35 PM, "Rob Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
> > Mike,
> >
> > The French spoken in Quebec is not the French spoken in France. I had a
> > couple of guys from Air France visit the HS factory and one
> > of the technicians we spoke to out on the factory floor was from Quebec.
> > The factory guy began speaking French and I had a hell of a
> > time understanding him. When we got back to the service department I
> > mentioned that to the Air France engineers, they both said "me
> > too!"
> >
> > Evidently the French spoken in Quebec "evolved" in a different direction
> > from French spoken in France when Canada became part of the
> > British Empire.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rob M.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kingsley Coach
> >
> > Since there are two official languages in Canada, the misuse of the word
> > ...Voila' ... on this forum and elsewhere south of the 49th is common,
> and
> > while I have given up attempting to make a correction, I do chuckle
> > watching the slaughter of the word by those who would do well to confine
> > their vocabulary to a single language.
> >
> > Mike in NS
> >
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Michael Beaton
1977 Kingsley 26-11
1977 Eleganza II 26-3
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