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I really love staying in touch with so many GMC friends.
And thank you for all the wonderful emails.
But sadly, although I indeed do live in Arizona
I WAS NOT THE WINNER OF THE LOTTERY 
John Ruff
Chandler, AZ
1975 Eleganza
WA3RIG
If I use ZDDP in a new car - will the tappets go flat?
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| Re: [GMCnet] It is so nice to have so many GMC friends [message #191709 is a reply to message #191702] |
Fri, 30 November 2012 09:35  |
Ken Burton
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| Ken Henderson wrote on Fri, 30 November 2012 08:16 |
Does that mean I won't be getting a call to come pick up my C-130? :>(
Ken H.
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 8:30 AM, John Ruff <j_r_ruff@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> I really love staying in touch with so many GMC friends.
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> And thank you for all the wonderful emails.
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> But sadly, although I indeed do live in Arizona
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> I WAS NOT THE WINNER OF THE LOTTERY
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Hang in there Ken. The other winner was in Missouri. We haven't heard from Dan G. yet. You still have a chance.
I still haven't figured out where I went wrong. I lost $2.00 and Laurie lost another $2.00 on this.
Some guy near us did win $1,000,000.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] It is so nice to have so many GMC friends [message #191720 is a reply to message #191702] |
Fri, 30 November 2012 10:15 |
jhbridges
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Lissen, I got a bud up in May - retta. Maybe we can get the hangar keys from him and sneak one out one night and you can run it down to south georgia. Wanna have a go at a C-5A? I'll set in the right seat if you'll fly it and we can get one of the guys to be flight engineer. We can get 4 26' coaches in it and have room and weight left over.
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
From: Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net>
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] It is so nice to have so many GMC friends
Does that mean I won't be getting a call to come pick up my C-130? :>(
Ken H.
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 8:30 AM, John Ruff <j_r_ruff@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> I really love staying in touch with so many GMC friends.
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> And thank you for all the wonderful emails.
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> But sadly, although I indeed do live in Arizona
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> I WAS NOT THE WINNER OF THE LOTTERY :)
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| Re: [GMCnet] It is so nice to have so many GMC friends [message #191745 is a reply to message #191720] |
Fri, 30 November 2012 13:43 |
Ken Henderson
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Hey, there's a plan.
On second though, we'll have to settle for the C-130. I've got no qualms
about putting that down on the 6000' runway at Jimmy Carter Airport
(formerly Souther Field), but I'm not too sure about a C-5. Besides, my
friend's hanger might hide most of the 130 -- not much of the C-5.
Ken H.
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Johnny Bridges wrote:
> Lissen, I got a bud up in May - retta. Maybe we can get the hangar keys
> from him and sneak one out one night and you can run it down to south
> georgia. Wanna have a go at a C-5A? I'll set in the right seat if
> you'll fly it and we can get one of the guys to be flight engineer. We can
> get 4 26' coaches in it and have room and weight left over.
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| Re: [GMCnet] It is so nice to have so many GMC friends [message #191767 is a reply to message #191745] |
Fri, 30 November 2012 17:21 |
jhbridges
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Well, I 'member Way Back When we had an exercise going amongst other places at England AFB in Louisiana. They were hustling things through on C-5s among others, and one day while poking about our radar I heard the AC on one of them tell the tower (also ours) he was gonna try a max perfomance quit. And, while it was by no means a Herc stopping short, he did get it parked in a surprisingly short piece of runway. I think he was all the way into the anti-skids and had all four going max backwards by the time the nose gear touched. I think it made 6K or less. Although admittedly I'd rather watch that trick from the sidelines than inside the airplane.
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
From: Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net>
To: gmclist <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] It is so nice to have so many GMC friends
Hey, there's a plan.
On second though, we'll have to settle for the C-130. I've got no qualms
about putting that down on the 6000' runway at Jimmy Carter Airport
(formerly Souther Field), but I'm not too sure about a C-5. Besides, my
friend's hanger might hide most of the 130 -- not much of the C-5.
Ken H.
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Johnny Bridges wrote:
> Lissen, I got a bud up in May - retta. Maybe we can get the hangar keys
> from him and sneak one out one night and you can run it down to south
> georgia. Wanna have a go at a C-5A? I'll set in the right seat if
> you'll fly it and we can get one of the guys to be flight engineer. We can
> get 4 26' coaches in it and have room and weight left over.
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] It is so nice to have so many GMC friends [message #191772 is a reply to message #191767] |
Fri, 30 November 2012 18:45 |
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Back in '68 I was sent from Ton Son Nhut to Tuy Hoa for a TDY with the 39th ARRS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/39th_Rescue_Squadron
They operated HC-130P aircraft with the "forks" on the front to snag a cable (rope?) that downed pilots would send up attached to a
balloon.
The Herc would fly into the cable (rope?), the cable would stretch down the bottom of the Herc and somehow get captured by a winch
system that would reel the pilot onto the lowered cargo ramp. The story went that they only rescued one pilot and he fell out off
the cargo ramp and out of the aircraft when they unhooked him from the cable. There were also stories about breaking pilots backs
when they got jerked off the ground.
The 39th ARRS had a shuttle from Tuy Hoa to Vung Tau that I hitched a ride on. When the aircraft landed I thought we had crashed!
The pilot did a combat assault landing. As I understand the procedure is to put the props in full reverse the instant they hit the
ground and slam on the brakes. I was sitting across from the loadmaster and he was laughing his a$$ off. Evidently they did this to
"newbies" to scare them; they were 110% successful!
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Johnny Bridges
Well, I 'member Way Back When we had an exercise going amongst other places at England AFB in Louisiana. They were hustling things
through on C-5s among others, and one day while poking about our radar I heard the AC on one of them tell the tower (also ours) he
was gonna try a max perfomance quit. And, while it was by no means a Herc stopping short, he did get it parked in a surprisingly
short piece of runway. I think he was all the way into the anti-skids and had all four going max backwards by the time the nose
gear touched. I think it made 6K or less. Although admittedly I'd rather watch that trick from the sidelines than inside the
airplane.
--johnny
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| Re: [GMCnet] It is so nice to have so many GMC friends [message #191783 is a reply to message #191772] |
Fri, 30 November 2012 19:48 |
jhbridges
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You oughta stopped by in Pleiku. Rumor has it that that system was originally developed to snag film cannisters ejected by - ahem - Special Purpose satellites.
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
From: Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] It is so nice to have so many GMC friends
Back in '68 I was sent from Ton Son Nhut to Tuy Hoa for a TDY with the 39th ARRS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/39th_Rescue_Squadron
They operated HC-130P aircraft with the "forks" on the front to snag a cable (rope?) that downed pilots would send up attached to a
balloon.
The Herc would fly into the cable (rope?), the cable would stretch down the bottom of the Herc and somehow get captured by a winch
system that would reel the pilot onto the lowered cargo ramp. The story went that they only rescued one pilot and he fell out off
the cargo ramp and out of the aircraft when they unhooked him from the cable. There were also stories about breaking pilots backs
when they got jerked off the ground.
The 39th ARRS had a shuttle from Tuy Hoa to Vung Tau that I hitched a ride on. When the aircraft landed I thought we had crashed!
The pilot did a combat assault landing. As I understand the procedure is to put the props in full reverse the instant they hit the
ground and slam on the brakes. I was sitting across from the loadmaster and he was laughing his a$$ off. Evidently they did this to
"newbies" to scare them; they were 110% successful!
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Johnny Bridges
Well, I 'member Way Back When we had an exercise going amongst other places at England AFB in Louisiana. They were hustling things
through on C-5s among others, and one day while poking about our radar I heard the AC on one of them tell the tower (also ours) he
was gonna try a max perfomance quit. And, while it was by no means a Herc stopping short, he did get it parked in a surprisingly
short piece of runway. I think he was all the way into the anti-skids and had all four going max backwards by the time the nose
gear touched. I think it made 6K or less. Although admittedly I'd rather watch that trick from the sidelines than inside the
airplane.
--johnny
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| Re: [GMCnet] It is so nice to have so many GMC friends [message #191799 is a reply to message #191772] |
Fri, 30 November 2012 20:37 |
Ken Henderson
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Hey, Rob, somebody's been feeding you BS! Since I served a tour at Nha
Trang in the 15th Special Operations Squadron, flying MC-130E's (with the
-15 engines which distinguished the 130H from the 130E). The 15th had
surface-to-air recovery responsibility for all of Asia (we always carried
blanket travel orders good for anytime deployment to anywhere in the
world). My additional duty was as Fulton Recovery Officer.
While ARS flew with the "forks", they never used them. During early
deployment, I'm sure they practiced, and may have even made a few
recoveries, but never operationally. Same for the Navy. Only Special Ops
was authorized to do manned recoveries by '68 when I was there. And those
were "seldom" downed pilots. Most were, in fact demonstrations. I
personally did the 147th officially recorded recovery; the subject was a
USA major with 4 Vietnam tours behind him, including two escapes from Viet
Cong captivity. They wouldn't let him go back in-country, so he was an
advisor to the Thai Special Forces at Lop Buri, Thailand. The audience for
the rice paddy recovery was the king of Thailand -- never could pronounce
it & sure can't spell it after all this time.
As for hazards -- the only death followed a Navy recovery. They got the
subject aboard OK, but failed to put a safety line on him before removing
the recovery line -- he fell off the ramp. The Army injured a couple of
guys trying to recover them with Caribous, which didn't have enough power
for the sudden loading. AFAIK, there were never any neck or back injuries,
though during a 2-man recovery, the guys did bang into each other a few
times -- but without serious injury. We discouraged dual recoveries
because the aerodynamics tended to make them spin at the end of the lift
line -- not fun at 150 mph.
I won't go into the details of how the hardware worked -- it sounds too
Rube Goldberg, but it was really very simple and reliable.
Oh yeah, Johnny, you've got the recovery systems confused: The Fulton
Recovery system on the HC- and MC-130's was primarily for man recoveries,
though it could be used for ground-to-air recovery of packages. The All
Americal recovery system on the JC-130's was designed for airborne
recoveries -- specificially, satellite modules suspended on a parachute(s).
I spent 3 years in Hawaii in that one-of-a-kind squadron immediately prior
to the RVN tour. Two entirely separate programs though we did have some
cross-pollination of personnel, thought the skills involved were not really
very similar -- aside from not being afraid to run into things in mid-air.
SORRY -- I wandered OFF-GMC again!
Ken H.
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 7:45 PM, Rob Mueller wrote:
> Back in '68 I was sent from Ton Son Nhut to Tuy Hoa for a TDY with the
> 39th ARRS.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/39th_Rescue_Squadron
>
> They operated HC-130P aircraft with the "forks" on the front to snag a
> cable (rope?) that downed pilots would send up attached to a
> balloon.
>
> The Herc would fly into the cable (rope?), the cable would stretch down
> the bottom of the Herc and somehow get captured by a winch
> system that would reel the pilot onto the lowered cargo ramp. The story
> went that they only rescued one pilot and he fell out off
> the cargo ramp and out of the aircraft when they unhooked him from the
> cable. There were also stories about breaking pilots backs
> when they got jerked off the ground.
> ...
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You oughta stopped by in Pleiku. Rumor has it that that system was
originally developed to snag film cannisters ejected by - ahem - Special
Purpose satellites.
--johnny
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| Re: [GMCnet] It is so nice to have so many GMC friends [message #191804 is a reply to message #191799] |
Fri, 30 November 2012 21:00 |
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USAussie
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Ken,
That was the "story" they fed me.
Thanks for the straight scoop - pun intended! ;-)
Regards,
Rob M.
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From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken Henderson
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 1:37 PM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] It is so nice to have so many GMC friends
Hey, Rob, somebody's been feeding you BS! Since I served a tour at Nha
Trang in the 15th Special Operations Squadron, flying MC-130E's (with the
-15 engines which distinguished the 130H from the 130E). The 15th had
surface-to-air recovery responsibility for all of Asia (we always carried
blanket travel orders good for anytime deployment to anywhere in the
world). My additional duty was as Fulton Recovery Officer.
While ARS flew with the "forks", they never used them. During early
deployment, I'm sure they practiced, and may have even made a few
recoveries, but never operationally. Same for the Navy. Only Special Ops
was authorized to do manned recoveries by '68 when I was there. And those
were "seldom" downed pilots. Most were, in fact demonstrations. I
personally did the 147th officially recorded recovery; the subject was a
USA major with 4 Vietnam tours behind him, including two escapes from Viet
Cong captivity. They wouldn't let him go back in-country, so he was an
advisor to the Thai Special Forces at Lop Buri, Thailand. The audience for
the rice paddy recovery was the king of Thailand -- never could pronounce
it & sure can't spell it after all this time.
As for hazards -- the only death followed a Navy recovery. They got the
subject aboard OK, but failed to put a safety line on him before removing
the recovery line -- he fell off the ramp. The Army injured a couple of
guys trying to recover them with Caribous, which didn't have enough power
for the sudden loading. AFAIK, there were never any neck or back injuries,
though during a 2-man recovery, the guys did bang into each other a few
times -- but without serious injury. We discouraged dual recoveries
because the aerodynamics tended to make them spin at the end of the lift
line -- not fun at 150 mph.
I won't go into the details of how the hardware worked -- it sounds too
Rube Goldberg, but it was really very simple and reliable.
Oh yeah, Johnny, you've got the recovery systems confused: The Fulton
Recovery system on the HC- and MC-130's was primarily for man recoveries,
though it could be used for ground-to-air recovery of packages. The All
Americal recovery system on the JC-130's was designed for airborne
recoveries -- specificially, satellite modules suspended on a parachute(s).
I spent 3 years in Hawaii in that one-of-a-kind squadron immediately prior
to the RVN tour. Two entirely separate programs though we did have some
cross-pollination of personnel, thought the skills involved were not really
very similar -- aside from not being afraid to run into things in mid-air.
SORRY -- I wandered OFF-GMC again!
Ken H.
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Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] It is so nice to have so many GMC friends [message #191851 is a reply to message #191799] |
Sat, 01 December 2012 08:17 |
jhbridges
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Again I has learnt something here... and there's validity to the rumors. I can see how there'sd be difference3s in the two techniques.
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
From: Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net>
To: gmclist <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] It is so nice to have so many GMC friends
Hey, Rob, somebody's been feeding you BS! Since I served a tour at Nha
Trang in the 15th Special Operations Squadron, flying MC-130E's (with the
-15 engines which distinguished the 130H from the 130E). The 15th had
surface-to-air recovery responsibility for all of Asia (we always carried
blanket travel orders good for anytime deployment to anywhere in the
world). My additional duty was as Fulton Recovery Officer.
While ARS flew with the "forks", they never used them. During early
deployment, I'm sure they practiced, and may have even made a few
recoveries, but never operationally. Same for the Navy. Only Special Ops
was authorized to do manned recoveries by '68 when I was there. And those
were "seldom" downed pilots. Most were, in fact demonstrations. I
personally did the 147th officially recorded recovery; the subject was a
USA major with 4 Vietnam tours behind him, including two escapes from Viet
Cong captivity. They wouldn't let him go back in-country, so he was an
advisor to the Thai Special Forces at Lop Buri, Thailand. The audience for
the rice paddy recovery was the king of Thailand -- never could pronounce
it & sure can't spell it after all this time.
As for hazards -- the only death followed a Navy recovery. They got the
subject aboard OK, but failed to put a safety line on him before removing
the recovery line -- he fell off the ramp. The Army injured a couple of
guys trying to recover them with Caribous, which didn't have enough power
for the sudden loading. AFAIK, there were never any neck or back injuries,
though during a 2-man recovery, the guys did bang into each other a few
times -- but without serious injury. We discouraged dual recoveries
because the aerodynamics tended to make them spin at the end of the lift
line -- not fun at 150 mph.
I won't go into the details of how the hardware worked -- it sounds too
Rube Goldberg, but it was really very simple and reliable.
Oh yeah, Johnny, you've got the recovery systems confused: The Fulton
Recovery system on the HC- and MC-130's was primarily for man recoveries,
though it could be used for ground-to-air recovery of packages. The All
Americal recovery system on the JC-130's was designed for airborne
recoveries -- specificially, satellite modules suspended on a parachute(s).
I spent 3 years in Hawaii in that one-of-a-kind squadron immediately prior
to the RVN tour. Two entirely separate programs though we did have some
cross-pollination of personnel, thought the skills involved were not really
very similar -- aside from not being afraid to run into things in mid-air.
SORRY -- I wandered OFF-GMC again!
Ken H.
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 7:45 PM, Rob Mueller wrote:
> Back in '68 I was sent from Ton Son Nhut to Tuy Hoa for a TDY with the
> 39th ARRS.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/39th_Rescue_Squadron
>
> They operated HC-130P aircraft with the "forks" on the front to snag a
> cable (rope?) that downed pilots would send up attached to a
> balloon.
>
> The Herc would fly into the cable (rope?), the cable would stretch down
> the bottom of the Herc and somehow get captured by a winch
> system that would reel the pilot onto the lowered cargo ramp. The story
> went that they only rescued one pilot and he fell out off
> the cargo ramp and out of the aircraft when they unhooked him from the
> cable. There were also stories about breaking pilots backs
> when they got jerked off the ground.
> ...
------------------------------------------------------------------------
You oughta stopped by in Pleiku. Rumor has it that that system was
originally developed to snag film cannisters ejected by - ahem - Special
Purpose satellites.
--johnny
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