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USAussie
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G'day,
I'm going to by a Dymo Rhino 4200 label maker so I can label the wiring in Double Trouble and The Blue Streak. Dymo makes continuous
white shrink tubing that I want to use.
It comes in 1/4, 3/8, 1/2, and 3/4 diameters.
Anybody use this stuff and can recommend which diameters are the most used?
Regards,
Rob M.
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Rob M. (USAussie)
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dymo Label Maker [message #191159 is a reply to message #191158] |
Sat, 24 November 2012 02:13  |
powerjon
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Rob,
As you know there are 4 sizes of heat shrink tubing available that fit the 4200.
1/4" wire range is 10 AWG to 22 AWG
3/8" wire range is 6 AWG to 16 AWG
1/2" wire range is 2 AWG to 12 AWG
3/4" wire range is 3 AWG to 4 AWG
I would think that with most single wiring between 16 and 12 gauge with some 10 or a little larger you would want to use 1/4" and 3/8" sizes with maybe a roll of 1/2" to pick up some larger cable sizes. You could possible use 3/4 " for cable bundles. How much, it could get expensive if you get detailed, but that's me as I like to label everything.
John
On Nov 24, 2012, at 1:08 AM, Rob Mueller wrote:
> G'day,
>
> I'm going to by a Dymo Rhino 4200 label maker so I can label the wiring in Double Trouble and The Blue Streak. Dymo makes continuous
> white shrink tubing that I want to use.
>
> It comes in 1/4, 3/8, 1/2, and 3/4 diameters.
>
> Anybody use this stuff and can recommend which diameters are the most used?
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dymo Label Maker [message #191160 is a reply to message #191159] |
Sat, 24 November 2012 04:51 |
rcjordan
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I use the Dymo Lectratag model with the white plastic tape. Works great.
http://www.amazon.com/LetraTag-LT-100H-Personal-Label-Maker/dp/B000II09IM
The plastic tape refill is about $7 for 13'. For wire marking, I just print twice without cutting the label apart then fold it over the wire, adhesive to adhesive, and make a tag. There are at least 4 font sizes, so you can control the tag size somewhat. It also will print a second line.
After about 2 years and lots of use, the print is starting to dim a little bit. I just bought my second one to keep in my tool box.
SOLD 77 Royale Coachmen Side Dry Bath
76 Birchaven Coachmen Side Wet Bath
76 Eleganza
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dymo Label Maker [message #191161 is a reply to message #191158] |
Sat, 24 November 2012 06:22 |
Ken Burton
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Although I like the shrink tubing idea and I borrowed Bob Burkitt's label maker when I was rewiring after my engine fire, I found it only slightly useful because you can only slide the label over the wire if there is no terminal crimped or soldered on it.
In my opinion a better solution is a label that can be wrapped around an existing wire.
JMHO
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dymo Label Maker [message #191162 is a reply to message #191161] |
Sat, 24 November 2012 07:19 |
rcjordan
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I like the idea of labeled sleeves until I actually have to deal with them. They never seem to tuck away neatly or slide to where you can read them easily. The one I'm using is cheap enough to buy-n-try then move up if you don't like it.
Besides it works well for marking your circuit breakers or making instruction plaques for the Onan, etc.
SOLD 77 Royale Coachmen Side Dry Bath
76 Birchaven Coachmen Side Wet Bath
76 Eleganza
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dymo Label Maker [message #191163 is a reply to message #191160] |
Sat, 24 November 2012 08:00 |
Ken Henderson
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There's the catch: "After about 2 years and lots of use, the print is
starting to dim a little bit. "
Some of my labels have been in place for over 10 years; not one of the many
is faded at all. The Brother TZ labels consist of the colored substrate
onto which the text is thermally transferred (in many colors); a
transparent protective layer is then applied -- all automatically as the
label is printed. I've heated sample labels with a heat gun until they
shrivel in to a molten ball -- the text is legible to the last. And I use
only the consumer grade tapes -- industrial grades are available.
The little flags all over my wiring may be tacky, but I didn't have to
replace any connectors to allow me to slide them in place; just had to be
careful to align the two ends as I wrapped them around their home wires.
JWID & WCT (Will Continue To)
Ken H.
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 5:51 AM, RC Jordan wrote:
> ...For wire marking, I just print twice without cutting the label apart
> then fold it over the wire, adhesive to adhesive, and make a tag. There
> are at least 4 font sizes, so you can control the tag size somewhat. It
> also will print a second line.
>
> After about 2 years and lots of use, the print is starting to dim a little
> bit. I just bought my second one to keep in my tool box.
> --
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dymo Label Maker [message #191165 is a reply to message #191158] |
Sat, 24 November 2012 08:25 |
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Matt Colie
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While I liked the idea of sleeve labels until I tried to used them on existing wiring, I finally settled on three different modes of lables:
- Single ID used only with a wire list. These are the Brady color and number narrow tapes and they are quite usable with the single advisory that they do not do very well in high temperature environments. They are also (as indicated) relatively useless without good diagrams and/or wire lists.
- Brother labler with TZ-FX2X1 (X= 2,3,4 width) flexible tape. If you don't want to do the KenH version of flag labels and you really like label sleeving, here is your chance to make it happen. This tape, unlike most of the TZ tape, is very supple and can be wrapped around a cable or conductor like a sleeve with the caution again the the adhesion to existing wire that has lived in engine spaces may be problematic.
- Brother or any other tape-labler and the KenH "Lable flag on the exiting wire or cable" method. This has three big advantages.
1 - It can easily be applied to existing things without any need to disturb them at all
2 - The labels can be created from absolutely common materials
3 - You can probably read them without your glasses.
There are lots of labeling things out there and, I suspect, more every day. This is only my list and what I have used to identify things that I may not be around to trouble shoot and/or repair in the future.
Other thing to do...
Somehow (suggestions below) create a wiring diagram of YOUR coach. Make notes directly on that of changes that you know of. Some SO may thank you.
Things to do re: above:
- Use stick notes on the diagrams in your manual(s) - problem - they can fall off with age
- Write on the page in your manual, include the vin as a reference (you don't where that manual will be in 10 years).
- Get copies, either scan yours or print of the Bdub site, and mark directly on those (again with the vin)
Always Remember, that your loved coach may, someday, have to find a new home. If you want the SO to love and care for her as you have, you have to make it as painless as you can by doing things right now. We cannot know the future.
I heard from the current owner of a boat that I did a lot of work on. It is now in PNG (Papua New Guinea - Rob should know where that is).
Matt - who works on everything like he is going to be the next person that has to fix it.
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dymo Label Maker [message #191166 is a reply to message #191165] |
Sat, 24 November 2012 08:43 |
rcjordan
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>fade
I should clarify that it's new labels that are now not quite as dark when produced. These are supposedly thermal labels and I've not noticed any fading of those already in use. That said, the white background has yellowed on some that are in strong, but indirect, sunlight.
They have colored and clear tapes for this model but I've had poor performance from the metallic finished tape, the printing is smudged and irregular. Yellow and red were OK, and the clear is excellent (and handy for marking switches). AFAIK, the only ink color is black.
I have no doubt that Matt's is better for full-blown marking projects and I may buy it because of his reasons above but my setup does a good job for the money.
SOLD 77 Royale Coachmen Side Dry Bath
76 Birchaven Coachmen Side Wet Bath
76 Eleganza
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dymo Label Maker [message #191168 is a reply to message #191166] |
Sat, 24 November 2012 08:52 |
Ronald Pottol
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I think they are thermal transfer?
Ron
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 6:43 AM, RC Jordan <rc@rcjordan.com> wrote:
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> >fade
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> I should clarify that it's new labels that are now not quite as dark when
> produced. These are supposedly thermal labels and I've not noticed any
> fading of those already in use. That said, the white background has
> yellowed on some that are in strong, but indirect, sunlight.
>
> They have colored and clear tapes for this model but I've had poor
> performance from the metallic finished tape, the printing is smudged and
> irregular. Yellow and red were OK, and the clear is excellent (and handy
> for marking switches). AFAIK, the only ink color is black.
>
> I have no doubt that Matt's is better for full-blown marking projects and
> I may buy it because of his reasons above but my setup does a good job for
> the money.
> --
> 77 Royale "Retro Chic" (still in Florida)
> Elizabeth City, NC
> 1 hour south of Norfolk VA
> 1 hour west of Kitty Hawk, NC
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dymo Label Maker [message #191178 is a reply to message #191163] |
Sat, 24 November 2012 10:59 |
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great info, thank you -
does anyone have pictures (maps ) that would help those that do not have labels yet to label the wires and save a lot of time searching out the info?
where is a good place to start? Booster switch of course. All is different i am sure. Best way to do this?
What tool to find the wires works best? trace tool. If anyone has time just for conversation.
best regardless
mickey
77 palm beach
i have a brother labeler
anaheim ca.
On Nov 24, 2012, at 6:00 AM, Ken Henderson wrote:
> There's the catch: "After about 2 years and lots of use, the print is
> starting to dim a little bit. "
>
> Some of my labels have been in place for over 10 years; not one of the many
> is faded at all. The Brother TZ labels consist of the colored substrate
> onto which the text is thermally transferred (in many colors); a
> transparent protective layer is then applied -- all automatically as the
> label is printed. I've heated sample labels with a heat gun until they
> shrivel in to a molten ball -- the text is legible to the last. And I use
> only the consumer grade tapes -- industrial grades are available.
>
> The little flags all over my wiring may be tacky, but I didn't have to
> replace any connectors to allow me to slide them in place; just had to be
> careful to align the two ends as I wrapped them around their home wires.
>
> JWID & WCT (Will Continue To)
>
> Ken H.
>
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> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 5:51 AM, RC Jordan wrote:
>
>> ...For wire marking, I just print twice without cutting the label apart
>> then fold it over the wire, adhesive to adhesive, and make a tag. There
>> are at least 4 font sizes, so you can control the tag size somewhat. It
>> also will print a second line.
>>
>> After about 2 years and lots of use, the print is starting to dim a little
>> bit. I just bought my second one to keep in my tool box.
>> --
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dymo Label Maker [message #191181 is a reply to message #191178] |
Sat, 24 November 2012 11:37 |
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| mickeysss wrote on Sat, 24 November 2012 10:59 |
great info, thank you -
does anyone have pictures (maps ) that would help those that do not have labels yet to label the wires and save a lot of time searching out the info?
where is a good place to start? Booster switch of course. All is different i am sure. Best way to do this?
What tool to find the wires works best? trace tool. If anyone has time just for conversation.
best regardless
mickey
77 palm beach
i have a brother labeler
anaheim ca.
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Mickey,
Check out Ken H's album for under hood labels.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5810-under-the-hoods.html
As for where to start -- start with your latest project -- for example, my Onan had no control board and all the wires are the same color. I traced each wire and added flag labels using my Brother label maker. As you can see in Ken's photos there are place where you want flat labels -- not wire labels -- and with a Brother label maker you only need one.
Dennis
Dennis S
73 Painted Desert 230
Memphis TN Metro
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dymo Label Maker [message #191188 is a reply to message #191158] |
Sat, 24 November 2012 13:07 |
zhagrieb
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Rob,
You do realize you'll have to remove any connectors from each wire in order to slip the shrink tubing over the end.
Glenn
Glenn Giere, Portland OR, K7GAG
'73 "Moby the Motorhome" 26'
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dymo Label Maker [message #191206 is a reply to message #191158] |
Sat, 24 November 2012 18:26 |
lqqkatjon
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Rob.. I just ordered up that rhino 4200 from amazon. should have it tuesday.
I have been needing one for some work stuff. so good excuse to try it out. I ordered up a roll of the 1/4" heat shrink too.
I will report back next week on how it works.
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
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