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Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) [message #190343 is a reply to message #190330]

Wed, 14 November 2012 20:06

Robin Hood

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On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Ken Burton <n9cv@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> Robin Hood wrote on Wed, 14 November 2012 15:35
>> Oh, no, it's definitely destined for my Royale. :) That's the first
>> step in getting to work on the renovation of the Royale: there MUST be
>> air conditioning here in the humid, soupy South.
>
> Ok Robin,
>
> Here is my thought on that VR. Unplug it for now and tape up the wires. Make sure the the two that came off on the same terminal are still connected together before taping them up.

See, here is where I keep running into trouble. What are y'all talking
about with all this "same terminal" business? I see THREE terminals
with THREE wires. Until I get this sorted out, I can't exactly start
tying wires together willynilly, or something might get fried.

See the first bit of my latest video: http://youtu.be/2cSLSaUFidM

Summary: I show my voltage rectifier (I keep calling it a voltage
regulator) and explain why I"m so confused. I put the wire from the
alternator back on pin 8, which is how the generator came to me.
Generator still would not start unless jumpered but once started, it
would continue to run even if the jumper was removed, and had to be
stopped with the STOP button.

Hypothesis: Once running, the alternator gives enough juice that the
run circuit engages and stays that way. I suppose it's possible my VR
is defective and dragging down the AC too much to allow a start, but
not a problem once it's running. Also, I'm not confident in my meter
skills, so testing the wiring for the Low Oil Pressure sensor was a
problem. I did notice that if I disconnected Wire 12 from Pin 12 and
pushed the Start button that it would turn over maybe three
revolutions and quit: with that connection in place, holding down on
the Start button causes the starter to keep turning for as long as I
hold down the button. Which leads me to hypothesis number two: my Low
Oil Pressure circuit works.

The Control Board only has so many inputs. Alternator power is one,
and I beleive it's good or close to it. Oil pressure is another. All
other things equal, my gut is telling me that the VR may be keeping it
from cranking the way it's supposed to.

I need to learn how to use my meter better. I don't get voltages or
resistance values that I think I should be getting. Where the heck is
a good ground? The exhaust manifold? Negative battery terminal?

Tonight's wrenching session was cut very short: wife isn't feeling
well, and I'm being dutiful husband instead of messing about in the
garage.

>
> Later after you get it running you can remove the tape from the leads and reinstall them to reactivate the the battery charging and power supply function.
>
> Why would you want the VR / charger it to work?

I don't. This Onan is destined for the Royale. I *would* like to learn
as much as I can, though, since I'm going to have to keep at least two
of these things running.

--
Robin Hood
Jackson, MS
2003 Buick Lesabre
1968 Pontiac Catalina
1978 GMC Royale motorhome
1977 GMC Palm Beach motorhome
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		[GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Sun, 21 October 2012 14:31
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: jimk on Sun, 21 October 2012 14:38
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Sun, 21 October 2012 14:48
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Ken Henderson on Sun, 21 October 2012 15:23
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Matt Colie on Sun, 21 October 2012 16:07
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Sun, 21 October 2012 16:53
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: jimk on Sun, 21 October 2012 16:54
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: jimk on Sun, 21 October 2012 16:58
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: WD0AFQ on Sun, 21 October 2012 17:35
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: emerystora on Sun, 21 October 2012 17:45
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: mickeysss on Thu, 28 November 2013 15:42
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Otterwan on Thu, 28 November 2013 15:53
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Thu, 28 November 2013 16:02
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: USAussie on Thu, 28 November 2013 16:19
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: mickeysss on Thu, 28 November 2013 19:08
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: kerry pinkerton on Sun, 21 October 2012 14:45
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: WD0AFQ on Sun, 21 October 2012 14:58
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: mike miller on Sun, 21 October 2012 20:34
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Sun, 21 October 2012 20:47
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Ken Burton on Sun, 21 October 2012 22:29
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Mon, 22 October 2012 07:16
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Mr ERFisher on Mon, 22 October 2012 09:25
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: mike miller on Mon, 22 October 2012 11:47
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: jhbridges on Mon, 22 October 2012 10:22
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: k2gkk on Mon, 22 October 2012 10:36
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Mon, 22 October 2012 10:51
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: k2gkk on Mon, 22 October 2012 11:10
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: jhbridges on Mon, 22 October 2012 12:07
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Mon, 22 October 2012 20:15
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Tue, 23 October 2012 17:05
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: k2gkk on Tue, 23 October 2012 17:20
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: tphipps on Tue, 23 October 2012 18:22
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Wed, 24 October 2012 20:44
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: roy1 on Wed, 24 October 2012 21:10
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: A Hamilto on Wed, 24 October 2012 21:37
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: mike miller on Thu, 25 October 2012 01:11
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Thu, 25 October 2012 07:26
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Matt Colie on Thu, 25 October 2012 09:05
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: WD0AFQ on Thu, 25 October 2012 09:34
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: WD0AFQ on Thu, 25 October 2012 09:49
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Carl S. on Thu, 25 October 2012 09:55
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: roy1 on Thu, 25 October 2012 10:54
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: sgltrac on Thu, 25 October 2012 10:45
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: mike miller on Thu, 25 October 2012 11:10
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: WD0AFQ on Thu, 25 October 2012 11:15
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Thu, 25 October 2012 11:23
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: WD0AFQ on Thu, 25 October 2012 11:49
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Matt Colie on Thu, 25 October 2012 17:26
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Thu, 25 October 2012 18:54
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: A Hamilto on Thu, 25 October 2012 19:21
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Thu, 25 October 2012 19:31
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: WD0AFQ on Thu, 25 October 2012 19:35
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Thu, 25 October 2012 20:32
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: hal kading on Thu, 25 October 2012 21:59
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: jhbridges on Fri, 26 October 2012 06:37
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Fri, 26 October 2012 06:55
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: jhbridges on Fri, 26 October 2012 07:25
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: WD0AFQ on Fri, 26 October 2012 08:31
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: stick miller on Fri, 26 October 2012 10:18
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Fri, 26 October 2012 10:25
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: WD0AFQ on Fri, 26 October 2012 13:15
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Ken Burton on Fri, 26 October 2012 17:51
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: USAussie on Sat, 27 October 2012 16:25
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: jhbridges on Mon, 22 October 2012 08:34
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Sun, 28 October 2012 13:50
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: USAussie on Sun, 28 October 2012 15:19
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Thu, 01 November 2012 20:47
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: USAussie on Fri, 02 November 2012 06:00
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Ken Burton on Fri, 02 November 2012 16:07
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Mon, 12 November 2012 12:08
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: WD0AFQ on Mon, 12 November 2012 12:28
		[GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Mon, 12 November 2012 12:46
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Bruce Hart on Mon, 12 November 2012 12:49
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: k2gkk on Mon, 12 November 2012 13:01
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: C Boyd on Mon, 12 November 2012 14:00
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: USAussie on Mon, 12 November 2012 15:13
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Ken Henderson on Mon, 12 November 2012 15:16
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: k2gkk on Mon, 12 November 2012 16:36
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: A Hamilto on Mon, 12 November 2012 15:45
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Mon, 12 November 2012 15:50
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: WD0AFQ on Mon, 12 November 2012 16:32
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Mon, 12 November 2012 18:27
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: A Hamilto on Mon, 12 November 2012 16:48
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: USAussie on Mon, 12 November 2012 16:52
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: WD0AFQ on Mon, 12 November 2012 18:17
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: A Hamilto on Mon, 12 November 2012 18:36
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: WD0AFQ on Mon, 12 November 2012 18:53
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: jhbridges on Mon, 12 November 2012 19:04
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: WD0AFQ on Mon, 12 November 2012 19:56
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Mon, 12 November 2012 20:07
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: WD0AFQ on Mon, 12 November 2012 21:16
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Carl S. on Mon, 12 November 2012 21:58
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: mickeysss on Wed, 14 November 2012 00:35
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: mike miller on Tue, 13 November 2012 03:49
		[GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Tue, 13 November 2012 22:05
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Dave Mumert on Tue, 13 November 2012 22:53
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Tue, 13 November 2012 23:52
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Wed, 14 November 2012 00:07
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Ken Burton on Wed, 14 November 2012 02:26
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Ken Burton on Wed, 14 November 2012 03:10
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: USAussie on Wed, 14 November 2012 06:38
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Wed, 14 November 2012 06:43
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: USAussie on Wed, 14 November 2012 07:00
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Ken Henderson on Wed, 14 November 2012 07:31
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Wed, 14 November 2012 07:37
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: USAussie on Wed, 14 November 2012 06:47
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Ken Henderson on Wed, 14 November 2012 06:47
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Ken Burton on Wed, 14 November 2012 15:23
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Wed, 14 November 2012 15:35
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: James Hupy on Wed, 14 November 2012 15:57
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Matt Colie on Wed, 14 November 2012 17:47
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Ken Burton on Wed, 14 November 2012 18:43
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Wed, 14 November 2012 20:06
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: WD0AFQ on Wed, 14 November 2012 21:04
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: ljdavick on Thu, 15 November 2012 00:02
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Ken Burton on Thu, 15 November 2012 04:31
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Thu, 15 November 2012 19:19
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Thu, 15 November 2012 21:16
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: sgltrac on Thu, 15 November 2012 21:20
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Thu, 15 November 2012 21:25
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: sgltrac on Thu, 15 November 2012 21:36
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: sgltrac on Thu, 15 November 2012 21:37
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: mickeysss on Thu, 15 November 2012 22:42
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: mike miller on Fri, 16 November 2012 02:08
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Ken Burton on Fri, 16 November 2012 03:14
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Fri, 16 November 2012 20:16
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: ljdavick on Fri, 16 November 2012 20:36
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: kerry pinkerton on Fri, 16 November 2012 20:48
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: A Hamilto on Fri, 16 November 2012 21:02
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Fri, 16 November 2012 21:33
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: USAussie on Fri, 16 November 2012 21:34
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: sgltrac on Fri, 16 November 2012 21:36
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Fri, 16 November 2012 21:43
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: sgltrac on Fri, 16 November 2012 21:52
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Fri, 16 November 2012 21:40
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Matt Colie on Sat, 17 November 2012 08:18
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: ljdavick on Wed, 21 November 2012 02:28
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Wed, 21 November 2012 06:10
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: powerjon on Wed, 21 November 2012 08:06
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Ken Burton on Wed, 21 November 2012 09:23
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: USAussie on Wed, 21 November 2012 15:00
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Wed, 21 November 2012 15:24
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: jhbridges on Wed, 21 November 2012 17:42
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Ken Burton on Wed, 21 November 2012 15:38
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: USAussie on Wed, 21 November 2012 17:23
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Ken Burton on Thu, 22 November 2012 02:32
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Ken Henderson on Thu, 22 November 2012 07:45
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: k2gkk on Thu, 22 November 2012 08:38
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Matt Colie on Thu, 22 November 2012 08:03
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: philipswanson on Mon, 24 December 2012 09:53
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Mon, 24 December 2012 11:28
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: USAussie on Mon, 24 December 2012 14:52
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Ken Burton on Sat, 17 November 2012 02:51
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Matt Colie on Sat, 17 November 2012 08:10
		Do Not Give up on the Onan! (was: I give up...) By: mike miller on Thu, 15 November 2012 06:06
		Re: Do Not Give up on the Onan! (was: I give up...) By: Ken Burton on Fri, 16 November 2012 02:55
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: USAussie on Wed, 14 November 2012 16:12
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Matt Colie on Wed, 14 November 2012 16:54
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: A Hamilto on Wed, 14 November 2012 17:30
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: ljdavick on Mon, 12 November 2012 23:34
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Ken Henderson on Wed, 14 November 2012 07:33
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Gail Marks Cruiser on Wed, 14 November 2012 18:04
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: JohnL455 on Thu, 22 November 2012 09:40
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Mon, 26 November 2012 20:40
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: ljdavick on Mon, 26 November 2012 20:50
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Jim Galbavy on Mon, 26 November 2012 23:27
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: mike miller on Thu, 29 November 2012 01:43
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Thu, 29 November 2012 18:11
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Matt Colie on Thu, 29 November 2012 18:43
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Tue, 04 December 2012 18:27
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: A Hamilto on Tue, 04 December 2012 19:19
		Re: [GMCnet] I NEVER give up. (Onan) By: Matt Colie on Wed, 05 December 2012 08:39
		Re: [GMCnet] I NEVER give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Wed, 05 December 2012 10:28
		Re: [GMCnet] I NEVER give up. (Onan) By: James Hupy on Wed, 05 December 2012 10:47
		Re: [GMCnet] I NEVER give up. (Onan) By: A Hamilto on Wed, 05 December 2012 17:03
		Re: [GMCnet] I NEVER give up. (Onan) By: A Hamilto on Wed, 05 December 2012 11:17
		Re: [GMCnet] I NEVER give up. (Onan) By: sgltrac on Wed, 05 December 2012 11:23
		Re: [GMCnet] I NEVER give up. (Onan) By: jhbridges on Wed, 05 December 2012 12:11
		Re: [GMCnet] I NEVER give up. (Onan) By: Matt Colie on Wed, 05 December 2012 12:34
		Re: [GMCnet] I NEVER give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Wed, 05 December 2012 15:15
		Re: [GMCnet] I NEVER give up. (Onan) By: Carl S. on Wed, 05 December 2012 15:44
		Re: [GMCnet] I NEVER give up. (Onan) By: Carl S. on Wed, 05 December 2012 15:45
		Re: [GMCnet] I NEVER give up. (Onan) By: Carl S. on Wed, 05 December 2012 15:46
		Re: [GMCnet] I NEVER give up. (Onan) By: kerry pinkerton on Wed, 05 December 2012 17:06
		Re: [GMCnet] I NEVER give up. (Onan) By: Ken Burton on Wed, 05 December 2012 18:38
		Re: [GMCnet] I NEVER give up. (Onan) By: jhbridges on Thu, 06 December 2012 07:31
		Re: [GMCnet] I NEVER give up. (Onan) By: Robin Hood on Thu, 06 December 2012 07:47
		Re: [GMCnet] I NEVER give up. (Onan) By: Matt Colie on Fri, 07 December 2012 05:23
		Re: [GMCnet] I NEVER give up. (Onan) By: Dave Mumert on Fri, 07 December 2012 10:20
		Re: [GMCnet] I NEVER give up. (Onan) By: mike miller on Fri, 07 December 2012 10:57
		Re: [GMCnet] I NEVER give up. (Onan) By: Ken Henderson on Fri, 07 December 2012 11:51
		Re: [GMCnet] I NEVER give up. (Onan) By: sgltrac on Wed, 05 December 2012 11:19
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: Gerald Wheeler on Tue, 04 December 2012 20:09
		Re: [GMCnet] I give up. (Onan) By: hnielsen2 on Thu, 28 November 2013 15:58
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